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Where Does It Say That Reprobates Can't Be Saved?

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I am praying that God will destroy my reprobate mind. But Christians will say that reprobates are beyond help.

Are you sure about that? Don't you think that saying that certain people cannot be saved is an insult to the gospel? Wasn't Jesus' death powerful enough to save even the worst of sinners?
 

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I am praying that God will destroy my reprobate mind. But Christians will say that reprobates are beyond help.

Are you sure about that? Don't you think that saying that certain people cannot be saved is an insult to the gospel? Wasn't Jesus' death powerful enough to save even the worst of sinners?
Because Jesus' death was and is powerful enough to save the worst of sinners, "reprobate" is the wrong word to describe Christians. That means you. And there is no class of sinner that cannot become a Christian. If anyone comes to Jesus, he will receive them (John 6:37).
 
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I am praying that God will destroy my reprobate mind. But Christians will say that reprobates are beyond help.

Are you sure about that? Don't you think that saying that certain people cannot be saved is an insult to the gospel? Wasn't Jesus' death powerful enough to save even the worst of sinners?
Only Calvinism ( a sinner who is not of the elect) teaches this. You can change the mind of a sinner through the power of the Holy Spirit and His help with repentance. Be blessed.
 
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I am praying that God will destroy my reprobate mind. But Christians will say that reprobates are beyond help.

Are you sure about that? Don't you think that saying that certain people cannot be saved is an insult to the gospel? Wasn't Jesus' death powerful enough to save even the worst of sinners?

I think the idea of a reprobate mind involves one who can't even discern they're reprobate and therefore be troubled by it. So the fact you're concerned and praying tells me you're not reprobate.

Some verses:
Jeremiah 6:30
Romans 1:28
1 Timothy 4:2
2 Timothy 3:8
Titus 1:16
Jude 1:12 (the "twice dead")
 
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It is amazing. As simple as it is to accept Jesus and maintain a relationship with God through the Holy Spirit, how many fail at this. Do we truly believe that God gives us the choice to be saved or not to be saved?
 
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I am praying that God will destroy my reprobate mind. But Christians will say that reprobates are beyond help.

Are you sure about that? Don't you think that saying that certain people cannot be saved is an insult to the gospel? Wasn't Jesus' death powerful enough to save even the worst of sinners?

There is only one scripture in the bible that talks about "no repentance", and that is Hebrews 6. But a close look at the passage says that the person is crucifying Christ again, by their behaviour. But we know from Hebrew 9, that the cross covers a lifetime of sins.

Heb 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;

So it stands to reason that "no repentance", refers to a person who once knew Christ, but who has died in their sins. Not a person who may have once known Christ, then fallen into sin and may seek repentance.
 
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I am praying that God will destroy my reprobate mind. But Christians will say that reprobates are beyond help.

Are you sure about that? Don't you think that saying that certain people cannot be saved is an insult to the gospel? Wasn't Jesus' death powerful enough to save even the worst of sinners?
The part you keep forgetting is that when that happens, such a person will no longer "want" to be saved. As long as you are troubled by your sin and the consequences of rejecting Jesus, you are not reprobate. OCD, maybe, but not reprobate. Just repent [1 John 1:9] and get back on your way. Do that as often as you need to.

(The discouragement that you are experiencing is very common for those who isolate themselves from church.)
 
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I am praying that God will destroy my reprobate mind. But Christians will say that reprobates are beyond help.
The passage that deals with this most directly is Hebrews 6. It's very sobering stuff. His purpose is to warn the Hebrews that you can sink to a point where you no longer care and will not seek repentance and restoration. His goal is to urge them to keep advancing in Christ, for that is the best protection against falling away. Don't accept the status quo. Keep pressing forward to the high call of God in Christ Jesus.

When the writer of Hebrews says it is "impossible" to renew a reprobate to repentance, the word he uses is used 9 other times in the NT. Of them, 7 times it is used in a relative sense. Three times it explicitly says that what is impossible for man is possible with God. The other two times it is used in an absolute sense - for instance, it is impossible for God to lie. It Never is used to condemn anyone without hope of restoration.

So he issues a serious wake-up call to his readers. It has caused many people a lot of distress, and that is unfortunate, because his goal is positive, to keep anyone from slacking off and risk falling away. People who have been slack should not take the passage as consigning them to hopelessness; rather, they should use it as motivation to press in to God, the same God who the writer will later say "is a rewarder of them that seek Him". God is faithful, and the blood of Christ can cover any sin, if we will repent.
 
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Hope these answers have helped you intoverted.

"I am praying that God will destroy my reprobate mind. But Christians will say that reprobates are beyond help.

Are you sure about that? Don't you think that saying that certain people cannot be saved is an insult to the gospel? Wasn't Jesus' death powerful enough to save even the worst of sinners?"​
Christians as a collective have a whole lot of ideas and thoughts, about what is true and not true.

Anyone who comes to the Lord Jesus Christ can be helped. The word of God is very help to encourage faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ -> Not everything he says is being spoken to us ; Most of the time His message is to them then though we can take application from it to some extent of another.

Yes Jesus Christ power was powerful enough to pay for all peoples sins in this life. All people are saved from sin now because of his death and resurrection by God.

The thing that people are not saved to is the Kingdom of God/Heaven -> Which is making the choice to follow, and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, and God to help you in this life -> When this happens God gives a spirit and sheds love into our hearts.

Romans 5:1-10? Somewhere in there you can read this.​
Take care.
 
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I am praying that God will destroy my reprobate mind. But Christians will say that reprobates are beyond help.

Reprobates don't think they are reprobate. It's why repentance for them is so impossible.

The door to reconciliation with God is always open so long as any of us live - reprobate or no - but the reprobate has closed himself off from that "door," spurning the only way that there is to be reconciled to his Maker. As the saying goes, "There is no man so blind as he who will not see."

I've lived long enough now to have encountered those who try to set themselves apart from the rest, who manufacture significance for themselves, by presenting themselves as impossible candidates for redemption. It's something akin to Munchausen-By-Proxy, if you know what that is, except a person makes themselves the object of the concern of others by magnifying their own acute spiritual, moral and/or psychological problems, rather than the symptoms of one for whom they are caring. It's a sad thing to see; a desperate measure by which to obtain the attention and concern of others and by which to feel special. I'm not saying this thinking is necessarily true of you, but as I read your OP, it came to mind.

What do you think "destroying your reprobate mind" will look like, exactly? What is it you're asking God for in such a request, precisely? Are you expecting Him to step into your life in such a way as to wrest your mind and will to His own, to compel you to act and think as He wants you to?

Are you sure about that? Don't you think that saying that certain people cannot be saved is an insult to the gospel? Wasn't Jesus' death powerful enough to save even the worst of sinners?

Indeed.

John 3:16-17
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.


Romans 5:17-19
17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
19 For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.


1 Timothy 2:3-6
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.


Revelation 3:20
20 'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.


And so on.

With God, all things are possible. But what may be possible is not, therefore, probable. In fact, the picture that Scripture paints of the effect of willful, persistent sin upon a person indicates that at some point that person becomes so hardened in their sin, so deafened and blinded by their rebellious wickedness toward God, so swept along by the powerful, accumulated momentum of their sinful choices, that they can't escape. Think of evil Jezebel who was cast from an upper-story window to her death and then given to dogs to eat, or the wicked generations of the nation of Israel taken into cruel bondage to their enemies, or the vile people of Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed by heavenly fire, or the wretched people of Noah's day who drowned in the Great Flood. As Scripture warns,

Proverbs 29:1
1 He, that being often reproved hardens his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.


God's not fooling around when it comes to our sin. He hates it with a hatred we don't really understand, being comfortable in sin as we are.

Believers today often adopt a rather...soft attitude toward sin, downplaying its dangers, its power to bind and destroy, but Jesus gave us a very dire warning when he said,

Matthew 7:13-14
13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.


God lets us have our way. If we are determined to live unrepentant in sin, defying Him, walking the Broad Way to destruction, He will allow us to do so - even though this means the majority of people end up in hell. Too often people imagine they can go on and on in sin, treating salvation lightly, thinking that they will always have the same capacity to turn to God regardless of how long and greatly they indulge in sin. But the Broad Way has a terrible, increasing current that in time becomes impossible to step out of.

And so, I urge you to "choose you this day whom you will serve."
 
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Because Jesus' death was and is powerful enough to save the worst of sinners, "reprobate" is the wrong word to describe Christians. That means you. And there is no class of sinner that cannot become a Christian. If anyone comes to Jesus, he will receive them (John 6:37).

Thank you very much.
 
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Only Calvinism ( a sinner who is not of the elect) teaches this. You can change the mind of a sinner through the power of the Holy Spirit and His help with repentance. Be blessed.

Thank you

You be blessed as well.
 
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I think the idea of a reprobate mind involves one who can't even discern they're reprobate and therefore be troubled by it. So the fact you're concerned and praying tells me you're not reprobate.

Some verses:
Jeremiah 6:30
Romans 1:28
1 Timothy 4:2
2 Timothy 3:8
Titus 1:16
Jude 1:12 (the "twice dead")

That was very helpful. Thank you
 
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It is amazing. As simple as it is to accept Jesus and maintain a relationship with God through the Holy Spirit, how many fail at this. Do we truly believe that God gives us the choice to be saved or not to be saved?

I am convinced now that he gives us a choice.
 
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There is only one scripture in the bible that talks about "no repentance", and that is Hebrews 6. But a close look at the passage says that the person is crucifying Christ again, by their behaviour. But we know from Hebrew 9, that the cross covers a lifetime of sins.

Heb 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;

So it stands to reason that "no repentance", refers to a person who once knew Christ, but who has died in their sins. Not a person who may have once known Christ, then fallen into sin and may seek repentance.

Thank you that is helpful.
 
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Hope these answers have helped you intoverted.

"I am praying that God will destroy my reprobate mind. But Christians will say that reprobates are beyond help.

Are you sure about that? Don't you think that saying that certain people cannot be saved is an insult to the gospel? Wasn't Jesus' death powerful enough to save even the worst of sinners?"​
Christians as a collective have a whole lot of ideas and thoughts, about what is true and not true.

Anyone who comes to the Lord Jesus Christ can be helped. The word of God is very help to encourage faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ -> Not everything he says is being spoken to us ; Most of the time His message is to them then though we can take application from it to some extent of another.

Yes Jesus Christ power was powerful enough to pay for all peoples sins in this life. All people are saved from sin now because of his death and resurrection by God.

The thing that people are not saved to is the Kingdom of God/Heaven -> Which is making the choice to follow, and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, and God to help you in this life -> When this happens God gives a spirit and sheds love into our hearts.

Romans 5:1-10? Somewhere in there you can read this.​
Take care.

Thank you very much. :)
 
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You are welcome!

Glory to God always, may your walk with the Lord Jesus Christ be of that filled with love, peace, joy, gentlness, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness in this life, and even tribulations when you feel cornered or pressure always run to God for help, and the Lord Jesus Christ will always be with you.

Take care, sister!
 
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The passage that deals with this most directly is Hebrews 6. It's very sobering stuff. His purpose is to warn the Hebrews that you can sink to a point where you no longer care and will not seek repentance and restoration. His goal is to urge them to keep advancing in Christ, for that is the best protection against falling away. Don't accept the status quo. Keep pressing forward to the high call of God in Christ Jesus.

When the writer of Hebrews says it is "impossible" to renew a reprobate to repentance, the word he uses is used 9 other times in the NT. Of them, 7 times it is used in a relative sense. Three times it explicitly says that what is impossible for man is possible with God. The other two times it is used in an absolute sense - for instance, it is impossible for God to lie. It Never is used to condemn anyone without hope of restoration.

So he issues a serious wake-up call to his readers. It has caused many people a lot of distress, and that is unfortunate, because his goal is positive, to keep anyone from slacking off and risk falling away. People who have been slack should not take the passage as consigning them to hopelessness; rather, they should use it as motivation to press in to God, the same God who the writer will later say "is a rewarder of them that seek Him". God is faithful, and the blood of Christ can cover any sin, if we will repent.

Yeah, I am starting to understand that. I want repentance. Thank you
 
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I am praying that God will destroy my reprobate mind. But Christians will say that reprobates are beyond help.

Are you sure about that? Don't you think that saying that certain people cannot be saved is an insult to the gospel? Wasn't Jesus' death powerful enough to save even the worst of sinners?

you will not find the answer to this in Christendom ....
 
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