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Why do people even want to put evolution in the equation?

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I don't think Christians should put stock in what science says about God's creation. God designed it. Shouldn't that be enough? Why do we have to read more into the creation account than what it says? Why do we have to prove X or Y? The knowledge of man puts roadblocks on the narrow path to heaven. We shouldn't concern ourselves with belief in evolution.

This kind of sounds like saying, God created mankind, so why should we bother investigating medicine? Isn't God creating mankind enough? We shouldn't concern ourselves with belief in medicine, as it is just the knowledge of man and is a roadblock in the narrow path to heaven.

Or alternatively, why should anyone bother going outside or on vacation? Why should anyone go to the library to learn? Why should mankind even have a space program? Why should columbus explore the ocean?

Is mankind better off deliberately not investigating creation?
 
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Evolution is classified as a theory but there is scant proof. The current definition of evolution must include the genome not a bag of alleles. Darwinism - bag of alleles , Neo-Darwinism - genome.

The objection to random mutations on the genome producing radical restructuring of the body and organ systems is that there is insufficient time for body forms to transition. Check out the intelligent design. Bones tell us nothing as this too can be reasoned as design. Stating that God is a bad engineer by an atheist is basically a strawman argument as I doubt he/she has engineering experience. Stating that God is a bad engineer by a Christian is basically blasphemous as I understand his/her ignorance as an engineer but not his/her arguments as a Christian.

Abiogenesis was rejected by scientists centuries ago (Louis Pasteur). It has since been reborn as counter to arguments of origin of life. Generation of amino acids by lightning requires that these must be done in the absence of oxygen. The oxygenation came too early for this to have happened. RNA world is stuck with the problem whether RNA came first or proteins came first. Look up "reasons to believe". To have proteins to come about naturally via random chemical reactions are insanely unlikely. Lookup "signatures in the cell". Saying that life has been produced in the lab is proof that God is unnecessary. Look up "James Tour" and listen to the process of producing carbon filaments. It is complicated.

There has been no true evolutionary speciation documented. All speciations events all use inference that the continued divergence of 2 populations would result in speciation - the question is the answer. Forced sexual reproduction would bring forth viable offspring.

Polyploidy - hybridization in plants is anti-evolution. 2 species creating a new one - hybridization. 1 species producing 2 - evolution.

Tree of life - Richard Dawkins new atheist who mocks Christianity as delusion believes evidence indicates a tree of life. Craig Venter atheist in a public forum in front of Richard Dawkins stated "more like a bush". If you choose to use childish analogy as proof of evolution and you cannot prove it all I can say "what is your agenda?"

I have given you the outline why I object to evolution as a theory. It is not because I am Christian. I will state clearly why I object to evolution in Christianity as a Christian, it is blasphemous and unforgivably so. When it is given voice as a reason to change and alter the Scriptures, it is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

what radical restructuring of the body and organs? From ape to man there isn't any radical changes, it's just changes to whats already there, many along the lines of from wolf to chihuahua or such. Give me something that requires more then that.

What does the shape of it matter? tree of life is just the original term, we know now it's more like a bush because everythigns equally evolved, there is no this life is higher is more evolved then others, plus the base is more of a web then a bush you forgot that.

You have no clue about hybridization, nothing in evolution doesn't allow for hybridization not sure what the heck your talking about. The way that plant and bacteria DNA works allows for these things, it's nothing that evolution doesn't allow for.

And wow your ignorant on the subject, louie pasture said NOTHING about abiogenesis, if your going to insult a pioneer of science might want to learn what he actually did. What he disproved was that fully formed animals such as maggots appeared out of nowhere on food or rats, and showed it came from other things. Abiogenesis doesn't have fully formed maggots or such or even life appearing from nothing.

Abiogenesis would be life developing over millions or a billion or so years as something before life appeared. most likely early RNA/DNA of some kind in a cell matrix, we know that some cell matrixes can form on their own under certain conditions, it doesn't require the first life to have nothing prior.
 
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I don't think Christians should put stock in what science says about God's creation. God designed it. Shouldn't that be enough? Why do we have to read more into the creation account than what it says? Why do we have to prove X or Y? The knowledge of man puts roadblocks on the narrow path to heaven. We shouldn't concern ourselves with belief in evolution.
What hardened my views concerning evolution in Christianity was a straw that broke the camels back type story. In the past decade or so, I have heard many stories of creationist scientist being harassed by the establishment science for their views. I understood this as the secular state wanting marginalized Christians. But recently, a fellow at Biologos wrote a book "Adam and the genome" and declare the historicity of Adam and Eve was false. In other words, a group of Christians seeks to rewrite the Scriptures and hollows out a huge chunks verses pointing the sacredness and potency of Christ. If you can sustain that Jesus is the Christ without Adam, then I will be sure to ask you when evolution has rendered the Scriptures as bland and absurd as any other sacred book - before I go to the desert to find my God.

This person, Dennis Venema is a self-identified Christian and in one blog concerning this debate (which he lost by the way) stated to fellow Christians, which I paraphrase, "you don't have the knowhow to prove me wrong". I have only heard such statements from arrogant atheists. This spirit which we let in to the Body of Christ is unclean.
 
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I don't think Christians should put stock in what science says about God's creation. God designed it. Shouldn't that be enough? Why do we have to read more into the creation account than what it says? Why do we have to prove X or Y? The knowledge of man puts roadblocks on the narrow path to heaven. We shouldn't concern ourselves with belief in evolution.

Because if you want to learn about god, maybe you should learn using all methods he provides us. If you reject science in favour of a particular understanding of the bible, then you risk turning people away from god by rejecting reality. If evolution is how god got to us, then anything you do to work against it hurts Christianity and gods message. I'm at the point of understanding evolution where it's either reject evolution or reject CHristianity. I accept both because it's what I know is real, but many will reject Christianity when christains force them to chose.
 
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Well hold on. First I have to ask, do you understand the meaning of the summation video? Because that's what I'm making the case for. We have to be on the same page at the very beginning or nothing else I say will make any sense.
Your question is malformed, because it presupposes that I'm here to learn from you and that you are here to teach me: I am not, and neither are you--I'm conducting an adverse interrogation, thus my line of questioning, if successful, is to result in the reduction of your claims to absurdity.
And yes, so to understand relative dating of rocks, necessary to understand the summation proof as described in the video, I look at which rocks are above or below other rocks. It's called superposition.
--layers of rocks are proof of a flood: it is not a mere coincidence that the layers get denser the further down you go, nor is it a mere coincidence that large, dense aggregations, of fossilized marine creatures are found on mountaintops, etc.
And superposition is pretty straight forward. Deeper rocks are older and shallower rocks are younger. If shallower rocks were older, then they would be floating in mid air without rocks under themselves. For the same reason that a chair must exist in place at an older time than myself when I sit on it. Else I would have nothing to sit on and would fall on the floor. The chair must be pre-exist me, because if the chair was not there first, I'd have nothing to sit on. And rocks are the same way. The rocks on the bottom must be there first, else the rocks on top could not rest on them.
Sedimentary rocks are just this, the aggregation of sediment solidified--the process is called, cementation.

A simple experiment that replicates the process of sedimentary rock formation is as follows: fill a glass container with dirt (an aquarium is preferable, but a glass jar will do), and shake it vigorously, then place it on a level surface, and allow the dirt to settle: you will see that it will only settle in layers due to the differing densities in the matters comprising the dirt: that is what happened when the world was inundated--the earthquakes and the water churned the deep along with the surface resulting in what we all see around us today.
And with this simple understanding, we can observe what fossils are in older rocks and what fossils are in younger rocks, so that we can put evolution to the test.
Now you know, that older doesn't mean lower, but heavier.
 
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Evolution is classified as a theory but there is scant proof. The current definition of evolution must include the genome not a bag of alleles. Darwinism - bag of alleles , Neo-Darwinism - genome.

The objection to random mutations on the genome producing radical restructuring of the body and organ systems is that there is insufficient time for body forms to transition. Check out the intelligent design. Bones tell us nothing as this too can be reasoned as design. Stating that God is a bad engineer by an atheist is basically a strawman argument as I doubt he/she has engineering experience. Stating that God is a bad engineer by a Christian is basically blasphemous as I understand his/her ignorance as an engineer but not his/her arguments as a Christian.

Abiogenesis was rejected by scientists centuries ago (Louis Pasteur). It has since been reborn as counter to arguments of origin of life. Generation of amino acids by lightning requires that these must be done in the absence of oxygen. The oxygenation came too early for this to have happened. RNA world is stuck with the problem whether RNA came first or proteins came first. Look up "reasons to believe". To have proteins to come about naturally via random chemical reactions are insanely unlikely. Lookup "signatures in the cell". Saying that life has been produced in the lab is proof that God is unnecessary. Look up "James Tour" and listen to the process of producing carbon filaments. It is complicated.

There has been no true evolutionary speciation documented. All speciations events all use inference that the continued divergence of 2 populations would result in speciation - the question is the answer. Forced sexual reproduction would bring forth viable offspring.

Polyploidy - hybridization in plants is anti-evolution. 2 species creating a new one - hybridization. 1 species producing 2 - evolution.

Tree of life - Richard Dawkins new atheist who mocks Christianity as delusion believes evidence indicates a tree of life. Craig Venter atheist in a public forum in front of Richard Dawkins stated "more like a bush". If you choose to use childish analogy as proof of evolution and you cannot prove it all I can say "what is your agenda?"

I have given you the outline why I object to evolution as a theory. It is not because I am Christian. I will state clearly why I object to evolution in Christianity as a Christian, it is blasphemous and unforgivably so. When it is given voice as a reason to change and alter the Scriptures, it is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Oh and yeah it's classified as a theory, guess what theory is the highest level anything can get within science, it's got more evidence and knowledging backing it up then the theory of gravity.
 
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Your question is malformed, because it presupposes that I'm here to learn from you and that you are here to teach me: I am not, and neither are you--I'm conducting an adverse interrogation, thus my line of questioning, if successful, is to result in the reduction of your claims to absurdity.

--layers of rocks are proof of a flood: it is not a mere coincidence that the layers get denser the further down you go, nor is it a mere coincidence that large, dense aggregations, of fossilized marine creatures are found on mountaintops, etc.

Sedimentary rocks are just this, the aggregation of sediment solidified--the process is called, cementation.

A simple experiment that replicates the process of sedimentary rock formation is as follows: fill a glass container with dirt (an aquarium is preferable, but a glass jar will do), and shake it vigorously, then place it on a level surface, and allow the dirt to settle: you will see that it will only settle in layers due to the differing densities in the matters comprising the dirt: that is what happened when the world was inundated--the earthquakes and the water churned the deep along with the surface resulting in what we all see around us today.

Now you know, that older doesn't mean lower, but heavier.

Rock layers do not get denser the deeper down you go, often times dense and heavy layers are actually the shallowest in many areas. And to be fair, even still in your own view, the lower layers do still have to be deposited first (formed earlier in time) than the shallower layers. Anyway...

I don't need you to feel like you're learning from me. But rather I just need to know that you understand what is being said. If you don't understand what I'm saying, then we can't go anywhere. That's all.

Even if you didn't believe in what I was saying, there is still a question of whether or not you understand what I'm saying.


You don't necessarily have to believe what the above video is saying. But in order to discuss it, we at least have to understand what it is saying.
 
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Your question is malformed, because it presupposes that I'm here to learn from you and that you are here to teach me: I am not, and neither are you--I'm conducting an adverse interrogation, thus my line of questioning, if successful, is to result in the reduction of your claims to absurdity.

--layers of rocks are proof of a flood: it is not a mere coincidence that the layers get denser the further down you go, nor is it a mere coincidence that large, dense aggregations, of fossilized marine creatures are found on mountaintops, etc.

Sedimentary rocks are just this, the aggregation of sediment solidified--the process is called, cementation.

A simple experiment that replicates the process of sedimentary rock formation is as follows: fill a glass container with dirt (an aquarium is preferable, but a glass jar will do), and shake it vigorously, then place it on a level surface, and allow the dirt to settle: you will see that it will only settle in layers due to the differing densities in the matters comprising the dirt: that is what happened when the world was inundated--the earthquakes and the water churned the deep along with the surface resulting in what we all see around us today.

Now you know, that older doesn't mean lower, but heavier.
I think you should wind your neck in. You come across as holier-than-thou, and accused someone who was empahtically not being condescending of bad behaviour, several times, even after they apologised. I wouldn't have apologised, I would just have fet bad for you that you had such thin skin and had misunderstood me. Try showing grace.
 
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I think you should wind your neck in. You come across as holier-than-thou, and accused someone who was empahtically not being condescending of bad behaviour, several times, even after they apologised. I wouldn't have apologised, I would just have fet bad for you that you had such thin skin and had misunderstood me. Try showing grace.
You've responded without considering all that was said, nor it's conclusion: the shame is on you.
 
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Rock layers do not get denser the deeper down you go...

I don't need you to feel like you're learning from me. But rather I just need you to understand what I am saying, so that I can continue speaking. If you don't understand what I'm saying, then we can't go anywhere. That's all.
The density is found in the types of minerals that comprise the aggregations, not the forms of the aggregations--gold sparsely spread is still heavier than silver densely packed: that fact is not by the volume of the metal, but by it's kind; thus an once of gold is always denser than a ton of silver, that is only by kind, not volume, nor form: that fact is also true of the various minerals that comprise the earth.
 
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Water off a duck's back, pal. The devil is the accuser, and the justified in Christ stand tall.
Then perhaps you should refrain from accusing, especially strangers, especially with only partial information.
 
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The density is found in the types of minerals that comprise the aggregations, not the forms of the aggregations--gold sparsely spread is still heavier than silver densely packed: that fact is not by the volume of the metal, but by it's kind; thus an once of gold is always denser than a ton of silver, that is only by kind, not volume, nor form: that fact is also true of the various minerals that comprise the earth.

More dense minerals and more dense rock, in many cases, are found at shallower depths than less dense minerals and less dense rock, including gold and silver.

Anyway, let me know if you would like to continue discussing the video:


We don't have to discuss the video if you don't want to. I just get the impression that we are straying from the topic.

Here was my original statement at the very beginning of our discussion:

As someone noted above, young earthers, while often times they are honest with their interpretations of scripture, they tend to not be particularly honest (at least not public speakers for yecism) when it comes to discussions about creation itself as observed through science.

I could easily go into websites like answers in genesis for example, and could easily find factually incorrect misinformation (typically misrepresentation of scientific information). It's just the way it is.

But to be particular, I've posted a video a couple times now in this thread that I think YECs tend to either not understand (which is fine, most people aren't scientists and I don't expect everyone to just instantly understand), but some YECs also do not want to understand. They don't want to take an honest approach on what exists in creation. Which I view as an extension of Gods word, as He spoke creation into existence.

If you're a yec, you're welcome to be a subject of my words, below is the video if you would like to take an honest approach to the topic. Feel free to review the brief video below and describe how yecism accounts for the existences of corresponding phylogenetic trees.


Why do people even want to put evolution in the equation?

I believe my position remains the same.

For some reason we got stuck at superposition. But superposition really has nothing to do with density of minerals or rocks. Density is largely irrelevant with respect to superposition.

Think about an inclusion for example of a particular mineral. The location of any mineral inclusion in a rock is not based on density as far as whether the inclusion is older or younger than it's surrounding body. The same goes for a dike or sill. Their position in stratigraphy is often not based on the density of the minerals in which they include, but rather is based on their timing of deposition.

And if we are talking about minerals of sedimentary bodies, they aren't sorted by density either.

I can find feldspar above and below copper. Or I can find gold above and below calcite etc.

Superposition really comes down to the simple understanding that lower and deeper layers must form before shallower layers. Else the shallower layers would have nothing to be deposited upon.

And with this, we can then begin to observe the succession of fossils on this sequence of deposited layers. Lower layers containing older fossils and shallower layers containing younger fossils.

Or we just consider that terrestrial formations have footprints on them. And therefore time must have passed between the deposition of the rock layer below and deposition of the rock layer above the tracks, else an animal wouldn't be able to spend time walking between the two events to make the tracks.

And that succession of layers (older is deeper, younger is shallower) and associated fossils (bones and tracks etc.) is what we use to test if evolution is true.

And that's it.
 
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Young earth creationists have a huge problem with their position.

Here is the problem. Noah's Ark was only one vessel. Yet?

Of all species that have existed on Earth, 99.9 percent are now extinct.

Do you realize how HUGE the Ark would have had to been if all the prehistoric creatures were alive in Noah's day. Its absurd to consider logically. Noah would have been commanded to build a huge fleet, not one Ark!

Genesis 1:2 speaks of an utter ruin and destruction of the planet.

I do not choose to look stupid to the evolutionist according to what the Bible says. I am willing to look stupid for what the Bible does tell us. What they choose to deny and flee from by diversion and condescension. ... Because, it explains where all the prehistoric creatures came from. Young earthers and TOE's would rather street fight each other like a theological gang war... Its primal nature of man that the Lord wants overcome by means of the Spirit filling, and Truth.

So be it....


That all depends on how you define speciation. If you are defining speciation in terms of white cats and black cats being two completely different animals, then you would have a point, but creationists do not define "kinds" in that sense and neither does the Bible necessarily.

Young Earth Creationists do not believe that Noah brought every dog breed or necessarily even every canine variation aboard the Ark, nor do they believe that every cat, equine, sheep, or goat breed or species was brought aboard the Ark either, but was brought aboard the Ark had the ability to be able to pass down traits necessary for the production the various species and breeds found within each kind of life-form.

When speciation is narrowed down to basic animal "kinds" (living and extinct) it would not have been impossible to fit all the animals that came to Noah aboard the Ark. The Ark also was not some small boat as commonly depicted. It was a vessel of immense size and just because some animals may not believe today, that doesn't necessarily mean that they were not in existence alongside man thousands of years ago but the reason for their demise is due to a variety of reasons which also include man.

Think about how many animal species that may have once been in abundance but were quickly exterminated within less than a century. (i.e. Stellar's Sea Cow, Passenger Pigeon, Ivory billed Woodpecker, the Quagga, etc.)

Inasmuch as you insist that Genesis 1:2 speaks of ruin, there is nothing in the context thereof that supports that assertion. Even the Hebrew does not specifically support it. It just simply states "without form and void."
 
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has creation ever been seen or repeated? Have you gone back in time to be sure that your understanding of the bible is correct? And in science you don't have to repeat the events, just repeat the methods you used to determine the evidence. you can do all the methods used to prove evolution if you were inclined and had the ability to do so.

These processes have been observed and proven, you yourself have is it like 100 mutations that are not from your parents, those mutations accumulate over time to create new changes.

we have the fossils showing the change over time and no fossil contradicts this. We don't see a fossil that doesn't fit the evolutionary chart, some of which have shown up like feathered dinosaurs and such after we figured out the tree of life.

we have genetics, that hasn't contradicted evolution either when you look up ancestry. There might be the occasional small shift like African and north American vultures not being quiet as related as seem. But were not going to find massive issues in genetics. Same with comparative biology.

Funny how anatomy/genetics/fossils and embryo development all fit evolution. Give me one example that doesn't fit, because your calling god a deciever in how those things fit what we already known, many appearing after we had already determined the tree of life.


Since the book of Genesis is attributed to Moses, I trust that Moses was given divine revelation about our origins. I trust that God revealed to him what processes were used to create all life and how long it took Him to do so. I trust that everything that Moses wrote down is consistent and reflective of all that was revealed to Him. And because Moses was able to speak to God face to face, he is the closest figure we have to a first-hand account. No one after Moses ever attempts to tell us differently.

But what methods have been used to prove that man, along with every other living thing, have descended from cells? Have those methods been successful at producing birds from lizards or cats from rats?

If we did not inherent mutant genes from our ancestors, then how did they arise?
What fossils have been produced to show and demonstrate change over time?
Even the hypothetical geologic column charts that I have seen show no depictions of anything that could be considered a transitional form.
 
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what radical restructuring of the body and organs? From ape to man there isn't any radical changes, it's just changes to whats already there, many along the lines of from wolf to chihuahua or such. Give me something that requires more then that.
Ape to man - show me the missing links then we will talk
Wolf and Chihuahua - wolf dog hybrids can be mated to dogs or wolves are of the same species.
Wolf like creature to whale like creature - 5 million years - takes modifications to pelvis, nasal cavities etc.etc - show me how this is achievable on the genome with sexual reproduction.
You pick and choose facts which support your belief. No genome just a bag of traits.

What does the shape of it matter? tree of life is just the original term, we know now it's more like a bush because everythigns equally evolved, there is no this life is higher is more evolved then others, plus the base is more of a web then a bush you forgot that.
The tree structure is based on the Darwinist prognostications and has been invoked as a rallying cry of atheists. Have you told your fellow evoutionists? Wasn't the memo sent?

You have no clue about hybridization, nothing in evolution doesn't allow for hybridization not sure what the heck your talking about. The way that plant and bacteria DNA works allows for these things, it's nothing that evolution doesn't allow for.
One of your fellow evolutionist cited a primrose flower as evidence of evolutionary speciation early on in this thread. Are you saying to "you don't have knowledge to prove me wrong". I heard this before from tongue tied evolutionists.

And wow your ignorant on the subject, louie pasture said NOTHING about abiogenesis, if your going to insult a pioneer of science might want to learn what he actually did. What he disproved was that fully formed animals such as maggots appeared out of nowhere on food or rats, and showed it came from other things. Abiogenesis doesn't have fully formed maggots or such or even life appearing from nothing.
The proper term is Spontaneous Generation that Louis Pasteur disproved. Abiogenesis was coined by Thomas Henry Huxley "Darwin's Bulldog". Their experiments are related to each other and I think you should read it up yourself. I neither wish to complete your scholarship nor your spelling. Put a spoiler on a Edsel won't make it a Porsche. As an evolutionist should you not be cognizant of Huxley, and not spout unscholarly rhetoric.

Abiogenesis would be life developing over millions or a billion or so years as something before life appeared. most likely early RNA/DNA of some kind in a cell matrix, we know that some cell matrixes can form on their own under certain conditions, it doesn't require the first life to have nothing prior.
What came first the protein or the RNA? What came first the protein or the cell matrix? Life was created in the laboratory and it required 300 alleles/genes. What you say is truly extraordinary! I will check it out somewhat leisurely as these questions were asked 5 years ago or so.

I see that essentially nothing change (based on what you said) that has not been spoken 5 years ago. I see Cambrian explosion has been spoken about which was a verboten in naturalist world. I think we should stop here as I am pretty sure you cannot convince me of evolution. So have a good day.
 
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Oh and yeah it's classified as a theory, guess what theory is the highest level anything can get within science, it's got more evidence and knowledging backing it up then the theory of gravity.
You should stop, your ignorance is showing.
 
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You are right. The world changed. It evolved.

The theory of evolution does not claim the laws of nature and those governing the world changed, it is scripture that says that.

What we live on now is the groaning world.
Romans 8:22
We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
The world at creation was by God's definition 'very good' not groaning.


The first world was destroyed first by the Fall then by the flood. Next time God will destroy the world by fire.
2 Peter 3
5 But they want to forget that God spoke and the heavens were made long ago. The earth was made out of water and water was all around it. 6 Long ago the earth was covered with water and it was destroyed. 7 But the heaven we see now and the earth we live on now have been kept by His word. They will be kept until they are to be destroyed by fire. They will be kept until the day men stand before God and sinners will be destroyed.

You can get a small taste of how it was at creation and how it will be again when God remakes the earth.
Isaiah 11:6

The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.
The very laws of nature will change -again.
 
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Then perhaps you should refrain from accusing, especially strangers, especially with only partial information.
I'm judging you by your fruit. Someone didn't speak condescendingly to you; in your insecurity, you made them feel bad and extracted an apology, which you prolonged and refused to accept with grace.

In your shoes, if you are a Christian, I'd take a long hard look at myself.
 
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I was trying to make you see that you have no authority to rebuke us, not unless you are God, which you are not.

Scripture is the breathed word of God.
We have believed nothing that is not stated in scripture.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

God said it, we believe it. It is no more elaborate than that.

Your ignorance of the meaning of certain Hebrew words keeps you distanced from having to deal with and see your error in thinking. It does not say that God created anything for six days. The Hebrew of that passage speak of God 'making' something out from what had been created.

In the beginning - at some time before the first day of this world - God had already created the heavens and earth. Not "made." We do not have the time given for when that occurred.

"In the beginning God created (bara) the heavens and the earth."
Genesis 1:1​

Genesis 1:1 -God created something out from 'nothing.'

In contrast- The Exodus 20:11 passage you gave, does not speak of anything being created out from nothing. But, rather. Making (asah) something out from what had been created out from nothing (bara).

If you are not willing to learn these truths? It will show something about your attitude towards truth. You should learn these things. For its basic Hebrew translation, and God put this words in the Bible for good reason..
 
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