No Lives Matter vs All Lives Matter

[Ringo84]

"Black lives DO matter, but...."
Ringo

 

[rambot]

"they" are self-labelled marxists.

I have no issue at all with the phrase or slogan. Black lives DO matter. I've got high issue with the movement, especially since their donation medium is ActBlue and the aim and goal is socialism via equity. Can't have true equity without legal inequalities.

That's a lot of words to say "no".

 

[98cwitr]

That's a lot of words to say "no".

That's a "yes, and I see through the sheep's clothing" to the heart and motivation of the rhetoric used. It's all a shame-game with underlying motivations. I do believe though that some well meaning supporters believe the face value of it, and that's fine, but the ultimate ramifications are quite dire and inhibit the freedoms of everyone, black people included. Why make one race slaves when you could make an entire population slaves? That's really the end result isn't it?

Biden already pulled the rug out from under these folks:BLM Responds After Being Ignored by Biden, Harris

What better way to get people to make themselves your subjects? Make them think it's their idea.

 

[rambot]

That's a "yes, and I see through the sheep's clothing" to the heart and motivation of the rhetoric used. It's all a shame-game with underlying motivations. I do believe though that some well meaning supporters believe the face value of it, and that's fine, but the ultimate ramifications are quite dire and inhibit the freedoms of everyone, black people included. Why make one race slaves when you could make an entire population slaves? That's really the end result isn't it?

Biden already pulled the rug out from under these folks:BLM Responds After Being Ignored by Biden, Harris

What better way to get people to make themselves your subjects? Make them think it's their idea.

If you can't even say the reasoning employed by the group, it IS a no. Not that you disagree with it, but you just don't seem to know it.

 

[98cwitr]

If you can't even say the reasoning employed by the group, it IS a no. Not that you disagree with it, but you just don't seem to know it.

hmmmm

BLM did not create or build this new grassroots movement against police brutality and racism; they capitalized off a nameless groundswell of resistance sweeping the nation, branded it as their own, and profited from the deaths of Black men and women around the country without seriously engaging, as a national formation, in getting justice for fighting families. All the while raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars from high-end speaking engagements and donations from foundations that support the Black struggle (or want to co-opt it). They have gained access to high profile associations, including invitations to the White House and celebrity events; have been on magazine covers; are on the way to profiting as authors and subjects of books; and have accepted numerous awards and accolades as so-called founders of the movement — while families struggle, unassisted, to keep their fights going. So many people on the ground have shared a similar experience: when the reporters leave and the bright lights are gone, so are they (BLM).

Why Black Lives Matter: Cincinnati Is Changing Its Name

 

[Aldebaran]

It's such a funny coincidence that an innocuous phrase like "Black Lives Matter" is so upsetting to some fragile white folks.
Ringo

As if you're not upset by "ALL Lives Matter"?

Right? The amount of vitriole of these 3 words seems....unnecessary (to sya the least).

Right! Those 3 words (All Lives Matter) isn't worth the "vitriol" (no "e" needed), unless you just happen to be the one who started this thread.

 

[Aldebaran]

No you're not obligated but it is telling that you keep avoiding questions that probe your association with violent white supremacy.

Because those questions aren't worth justifying with an answer.

 

[Aldebaran]

Do you think that the Breast Cancer Research Foundation is not being inclusive by not mentioning every type of cancer in its name?

Discriminating against other cancers isn't the same as discriminating against people based on their skin color.

 

[Ken-1122]

"All Lives Matter" or "Blue Lives Matter" slogans were pretty obviously dreamed up, not as a meaningful critique of the BLM movement where the person saying these things absolutely agreed in the sanctity of life and that "police are important". Too many of the people who trotted out these lines did not really comport their arguments in line with the idea that all lives matter and frankly, more than a few people who said blue lives matter, didn't really have much to say about the cop who died on jan 6 nor the many cops injured (and certainly appeared totally uninterested in the racism cops experienced) that day.

Plenty of people who say blue lives matter did have much to say concerning the death of those cops as well. Also an argument can be made those who trot out black lives matter often remain silent when innocent blacks are killed by criminal blacks.

Though it's quite likely some people still repeat these lines and perhaps truly do think that they matter, it caused me to wonder.

If you can't recognize the struggles of others or even acknowledge them and prefer to simply abandon them or ignore them, it seems FAR more precise to say that "No Lives Matter" instead of all lives.

If all lives mattered, you'd be able to recognize other people's struggles. Especially when they provide data and anecdotal evidence.

Where did you get the idea they do not recognize the struggle of others?

 

[rambot]

Plenty of people who say blue lives matter did have much to say concerning the death of those cops as well. Also an argument can be made those who trot out black lives matter often remain silent when innocent blacks are killed by criminal blacks.

That may be but I RARELY see or hear them speaking with any serious rigour.

Where did you get the idea they do not recognize the struggle of others?[/QUOTE]
A disregard for the stories told by black people in America.

 

[rambot]

As if you're not upset by "ALL Lives Matter"?



Right! Those 3 words (All Lives Matter) isn't worth the "vitriol" (no "e" needed), unless you just happen to be the one who started this thread.

Nice! Got me on the spelling.

I have no vitriol. I just think it's best to call a spade a spade as I did in this thread. All lives DOn't matter, so none do. Let's just be honest.

"All Lives Matter" was little more than a kneejerk slogan based on nothing but trying to undermine the BLM movement. Spouting off that all lives matter shows, to me, that none do...NOT that black, white, and whatever lives matter.

 

[98cwitr]

Nice! Got me on the spelling.

I have no vitriol. I just think it's best to call a spade a spade as I did in this thread. All lives DOn't matter, so none do. Let's just be honest.

"All Lives Matter" was little more than a kneejerk slogan based on nothing but trying to undermine the BLM movement. Spouting off that all lives matter shows, to me, that none do...NOT that black, white, and whatever lives matter.

Who or what gives life worth?

 

[Aldebaran]

Nice! Got me on the spelling.

I have no vitriol. I just think it's best to call a spade a spade as I did in this thread. All lives DOn't matter, so none do. Let's just be honest.

That's just what the BLM rioters were no doubt thinking when they attacked people, regardless of color.

"All Lives Matter" was little more than a kneejerk slogan based on nothing but trying to undermine the BLM movement. Spouting off that all lives matter shows, to me, that none do...NOT that black, white, and whatever lives matter.

It needed a good undermining, considering all the violence and damage they were causing.

 

[rambot]

That's just what the BLM rioters were no doubt thinking when they attacked people, regardless of color.
It needed a good undermining, considering all the violence and damage they were causing.

Are you unable to respond without an "I know you are but what am I?" kind of argument

Also, ps....was it Antifa or BLM. Or does it even REALLY matter to you since it's all a bunch of commies?

Other than "events happened at BLM riots" you haven't even proven that BLM are perpetrators. And continue to completely ignore the 93% rule

 

[Ken-1122]

That may be but I RARELY see or hear them speaking with any serious rigour.

That doesn't mean they don't care.

A disregard for the stories told by black people in America.

Is there a disregard for the stories told by white people, or brown people, or all the other groups of people in America?

 

[rambot]

That doesn't mean they don't care.

That is a fair point. Seems weird that they would trumpet that when BLM was hurting cops but not trump supporters. Just seems........inconsistent.

Is there a disregard for the stories told by white people, or brown people, or all the other groups of people in America?

I feel like you will not understand why but I thank you for elloquently proving my point.

 

[Ken-1122]

Also, ps....was it Antifa or BLM. Or does it even REALLY matter to you since it's all a bunch of commies?

It was both.

 

[rambot]

It was both.

Well, I would say I disagree with that video. But I also think her message got skewed by protesters.

She seems to be advocating for looting of major chains and high end stores because they are insured. I know this makes me a "bad capitalist" but, while i disagree with looting, I'm a bit ambivalent about the idea of looting in that way..

Sadly, what came out in the wash is the destruction of a lot of small businesses who may not have insurance (or likely, not as GOOD insurance).

 

[Ken-1122]

That is a fair point. Seems weird that they would trumpet that when BLM was hurting cops but not trump supporters. Just seems........inconsistent.

I don’t know what news you’ve been watching, but whenever a cop is killed in the line of duty, I see a big deal being made of it; not only by the media but people who support the police as well.

I feel like you will not understand why but I thank you for elloquently proving my point.

I have not proven your point; anyone who thinks the complaints of black people are being ignored to a larger extent compared to other races, could not have been paying attention because all you gotta do is look at any of the countless liberal media outlets. Look at books like “White Fragility”, “how to be a antiracist” 1619 project curriculum, and the success of Black Lives Matter, obviously the complaints of black people are center stage compared to all the other races. What other race organization do you know of has generated this type of power lately?

 

[Ken-1122]

Well, I would say I disagree with that video. But I also think her message got skewed by protesters.
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How was her message skewed?