Removing the laws of God- what does it really mean?

[SkyWriting]

It is a new covenant, God said He would write His laws in our hearts and in our minds. WHAT LAWS? Does it say “I’ll give them a new covenant, and I'm making a new law”?

It says He will write His laws, Gods laws are only found in Exodus 20 and is the first covenant.

Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete.
And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

 

[SkyWriting]

It is a new covenant, God said He would write His laws in our hearts and in our minds. WHAT LAWS? Does it say “I’ll give them a new covenant, and I'm making a new law”?

It says He will write His laws, Gods laws are only found in Exodus 20 and is the first covenant. So laws from the first covenant (God's 10) are transferred over to the New Covenant with better promises. It's still not okay lie, cheat steal, vain His name or break any of God's commandments.

The commandments are all obsolete. There is a new promise with new rules.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete.
And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

So you think its ok to lie, steal, murder, covet etc.? Either these are sins/laws or they aren't.

 

[SkyWriting]

What is sin?

Great question.

James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
(Like the OT law - a pain.) - The 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

John 15:22
If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have been guilty of sin,
but now they have no excuse for their sin.

Sounds like something new?

 

[dqhall]

No it isn't. Doing good on Shabbat is not prohibited. That is why doctors and nurses etc are allowed to work on Shabbat in Israel...pikuach nefesh.

Looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, they asked him, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?" He said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath."

The archaic Talmudic interpretation of the Torah differs from the modern reformed Jewish practice. The first century AD Gospel of John stated the Jews wanted to kill Jesus for Sabbath violations.

John 5: 8 Jesus said to him, “Arise, take up your mat, and walk.”
9 Immediately, the man was made well, and took up his mat and walked.
Now it was the Sabbath on that day. 10 So the Jews said to him who was cured, “It is the Sabbath. It is not lawful for you to carry the mat.”
11 He answered them, “He who made me well said to me, ‘Take up your mat and walk.’”
12 Then they asked him, “Who is the man who said to you, ‘Take up your mat and walk’?”
13 But he who was healed didn’t know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, a crowd being in the place.
14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, “Behold, you are made well. Sin no more, so that nothing worse happens to you.”
15 The man went away, and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well. 16 For this cause the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill him, because he did these things on the Sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Great question.
James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
(Like the OT law. A pain in the rear.) - The 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

Breaking Gods law is sin. Romans 7:7, James 2:10-11, 1 John 3:4

We are told God is unchanging and His laws are unchanging. I believe God we when He tells us that. God bless

 

[SkyWriting]

It is a new covenant, God said He would write His laws in our hearts and in our minds. WHAT LAWS?


Does it say “I’ll give them a new covenant, and I'm making a new law”?

Does it?

Jeremiah 31:31-34
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts.

 

[Nathan@work]

The archaic Talmudic interpretation of the Torah differs from the modern reformed Jewish practice. The first century AD Gospel of John stated the Jews wanted to kill Jesus for Sabbath violations.

John 5: 8 Jesus said to him, “Arise, take up your mat, and walk.”
9 Immediately, the man was made well, and took up his mat and walked.
Now it was the Sabbath on that day. 10 So the Jews said to him who was cured, “It is the Sabbath. It is not lawful for you to carry the mat.”
11 He answered them, “He who made me well said to me, ‘Take up your mat and walk.’”
12 Then they asked him, “Who is the man who said to you, ‘Take up your mat and walk’?”
13 But he who was healed didn’t know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, a crowd being in the place.
14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, “Behold, you are made well. Sin no more, so that nothing worse happens to you.”
15 The man went away, and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well. 16 For this cause the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill him, because he did these things on the Sabbath.

In other words, one ‘law’ superseded another ‘law’.

The ‘law’ Christ gave to take up his mat was greater than the ‘law’ to not carry it on the Sabbath.

 

[SkyWriting]

Breaking Gods law is sin.

James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it,
for him it is sin.

 

[SkyWriting]

We are told God is unchanging and His laws are unchanging.

John 15:22
If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have been guilty of sin,
but now they have no excuse for their sin.

So they were in the dark about Gods obsolete laws?

Hebrews 7:18-19
For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.

Hebrews 7:11-12
Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

Hebrews 9:15
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Does it?

Jeremiah 31:31-34
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts.

What law? God’s laws are only found in Exodus 20. You still haven’t answered my question- if you think God’s laws are “done away” with is it okay to lie, steal, murder, bear false witness etc? God’s laws are repeated in the New Testament, so maybe you don’t understand the New Covenant? If they are obsolete than we are free to lie, steal, murder etc. and that is not what Jesus taught.

And than we have these verses:

Revelations 12: 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Why would satan care about keeping God’s commandments if they are obsolete?


Revelations 14 12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Considering how important it is to get it right, I would want really want to know its okay to break Gods law before thinking we are free to do so.

God bless

 

[SkyWriting]

What law? God’s laws are only found in Exodus 20. You still haven’t answered my question- if you think God’s laws are “done away” with is it okay to lie, steal, murder, bear false witness etc? God’s laws are repeated in the New Testament, so maybe you don’t understand the New Covenant? If they are obsolete than we are free to lie, steal, murder etc.

This will explain why the old laws are obsolete:

Romans 7:13
Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means!
It was sin, producing death in me through what is good,
in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through
the commandment might become sinful beyond measure.


See, what happened was people were always checking to see if they measured up. And many believed that they did measure up. The new covenant ensures that each of us is sinful beyond measure.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This will explain why the old laws are obsolete:

Romans 7:13
Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means!
It was sin, producing death in me through what is good,
in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through
the commandment might become sinful beyond measure.

Think you misunderstand what Paul is saying, if you read later on Paul clearly tells us to keep Gods commandments. I’ll explain more later when I have more time.

 

[SkyWriting]

Think you misunderstand what Paul is saying, if you read later on Paul clearly tells us to keep Gods commandments. I’ll explain more later when I have more time.

Paul never saw Jesus in action, so some things he didn't learn that others who lived with Jesus did. Pauls context as an outsider who never met Jesus is valuable.

 

[SkyWriting]

Considering how important it is to get it right, I would want really want to know its okay to break Gods law before thinking we are free to do so.

Jesus died for our sins. There is no point in trying to crucify Him again.
It's all over with. No sin tally sheet is needed under the new covenant.

 

[Nathan@work]

Example:

Eternal law - “Do not murder”

Eternal law obeyed - “I will love my neighbor”

If you are born of God, you will know all the others.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Gods moral laws are 10 and are found in Exodus 20.

For some, like me, consider the Sabbath as ceremonial. Additionally, there are many laws within the 613 that are moral. Thanks for sharing. Be blessed.

 

[SkyWriting]

With the growing number of churches that are teaching God’s laws are a thing of the past citing arguments like “we are not under the law we are under grace” or “Gods laws are only for the Jews ” I thought I would create a post to examine what does the Bible teach us about the laws of God.

Hebrews 8:6
But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises.

 

[SkyWriting]

Paul tells us in 2 Corinthians 13: 5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.

All are disqualified.
Romans 3:10
As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,


All are disqualified.

 

[SkyWriting]

God's commandments are found in Exodus 20

Colossians 2:14
By canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Romans 7:6
But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

James 1:25
But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.

Galatians 2:21
I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.


The better one is here:

Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.