1 John 1:9

[Der Alte]

Romans 11:21-22
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.​

If you do not continue in His goodness you shall be cut off.

John 15:6
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.​

If a person does not abide in Christ he is cast into the fire and burned.

1 Corinthians 15:2
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.​

If you don’t keep what was preached to you, you have believed in vain.

Galatians 6:9
9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.​

If you faint you will not reap.

Hebrews 3:6
6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.​

If you do not hold fast unto the end you are not His house.

Hebrews 3:14
14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;​

If you do not hold the beginning of your confidence you are not made partakers of Christ.

Hebrews 10:38-39
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.​

If you draw back from living by faith Jesus’ soul has no pleasure in you

Colossians 1:22-23
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;​

If you do not continue in the faith grounded and settled, and are moved away from the hope of the gospel you will not be presented holy and unblameable and unreproveable in His [Jesus vs. 4]sight.

 

[John Mullally]

1 John 1:9 is a verse to unbelievers. Those who "claim to be without sin" and "the truth is not in." To confess is to acknowledge sin. We also must confess what God has done with that sin; no longer counting our sins against us. We are forgiven.

1 John 1:9 starts with "If we confess our sins" - so if he is addressing unbelievers here, then John is including himself as an unbeliever.

In the Lord's Prayer, Jesus includes that his followers should ask the Father to: "Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts". If asking "to forgive us our debts" is a one time event for his followers, then so is the request to "give us this day our daily bread".

 

[chad kincham]

1 John 1:9 (AV)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Down through human history... God has confronted man with sin in an attempt to get man to face his sin. 1 John 1:9 is precisely that. We are forgiven all sin (as the tense of "forgive" is in the Greek: has forgiven / does forgive / shall forgive)... but with the confession to God not to others (Psalm 51:4)... we "come along side" God Greek "confess" homo logeo to face and acknowledge our sin...

some say to restore fellowship, I say to remove the sludge we encase ourselves in with sin from our otherwise crystal clear walk with God...

To be saved requires more than just believing in Jesus - we also must choose to repent of our sins as part of our conversion so that our sins are forgiven (Acts 3:19 - Acts 20:21) - but we can’t pre-repent of future sins - thus scripture is clear that only OLD sins and PAST sins are forgiven at salvation - not future sins:


2Pe 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was PURGED from his OLD SINS.


Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to bea propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of SINS THAT ARE PAST through the forbearance of God;


So hyper-grace doctrine which claims all sins: past, present, and future sins, are forgiven at salvation, is wrong.


Future sins must be repented of as we commit them, to be forgiven.


That’s why the apostle wrote:


1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us oursins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


The apostle included himself, indicating he’s talking to believers, and not to the unconverted, as further shown by the fact he had just written THIS, before verse 9:


1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1Jn 1:7 But IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


The blood of Jesus continuing to cleanse us from all sin, is conditional on continuing to walk in the light, as He is in the light, per the above.


Paul makes clear that after we have been saved, there is a continuing conflict between our wanting to walk in the flesh, (that wants us to live in sin)- and our desire to walk after the Holy Spirit that now dwells in us - and Paul warns that choosing to live in sins (works of the flesh), will keep us out of heaven:


Gal 5:16 ThisI say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.


Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Gal 5:18 But IF ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


Gal 5:19 Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these;Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell YOU again, as I have also told youin time past, that they which DO such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God.


Paul warns us over and over, that if we believers choose to walk after the flesh, we will die spiritually - but if we choose to walk after the spirit, we will have everlasting life:


Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.


Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded isDEATH, but to be spiritually minded isLIFE and peace.


Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind isENMITY against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


Verse 8:7 above, having a carnal mind is ENMITY against God, meaning you actually become Gods ENEMY.


Will God let His enemies into heaven?


Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is ENMITY with God? whosoever therefore will be a FRIEND OF THE WORLD is the ENEMY of God.


The verse above says sexual sins and being worldly, makes you Gods ENEMY.


Will God welcome His enemies into heaven?


We are expected and required as believers, to live the most sinless life we can, and to repent when we know we’ve sinned.

 

[Dave L]

So those who believe they can lose their salvation aren't really saved?

And what about those who sometimes doubt or worry about their salvation?

How can you believe God saved you (have saving faith) if you think you can lose your salvation?

 

[HIM]

Sounds right. But I'm expecting someone to shoot it down.

They would be wrong. To say that the Greek would means simply to Confess does not give the word justice. Here is Strong's citation.

homologeö
hom-ol-og-eh'-o
From a compound of the base of G3674 and G3056; to assent, that is, covenant, acknowledge: - con- (pro-) fess, confession is made, give thanks, promise.

 

[HIM]

How can you believe God saved you (have saving faith) if you think you can lose your salvation?

It seems the writer of Hebrews thought he could lose his salvation. How do we know? Because of his use of the word "we" in the following verses.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

 

[Dave L]

It seems the writer of Hebrews thought he could lose his salvation. How do we know? Because of his use of the word "we" in the following verses.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

We = Jews who defect away from Christ back into Judaism. You cannot have saving faith and doubt you are saved or might no be saved in the end.

 

[HIM]

We = Jews who defect away from Christ back into Judaism. You cannot have saving faith and doubt you are saved or might no be saved in the end.

There is no more Jew or Greek. And the "we' are those who sin willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth.
That is what the verse says. Don't add what is not there please.

 

[Dave L]

There is no more Jew or Greek. And the "we' are those who sin willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth.
That is what the verse says. Don't add what is not there please.

Here's the situation. The book covered the Hebrews who were converting from the OT to the NT. Some were returning to the OT committing an unforgivable sin (without repentance). It still happens when people plan on offering sacrifices at a "third temple".

 

[HIM]

Here's the situation. The book covered the Hebrews who were converting from the OT to the NT. Some were returning to the OT committing an unforgivable sin (without repentance). It still happens when people plan on offering sacrifices at a "third temple".

Nowhere in the context of the letter does it even imply that they were trying to sacrifice again. Please stop adding what is not there.

 

[Dave L]

Nowhere in the entire letter does it even imply that they were trying to sacrifice again. Please stop adding what is not there.

Do you believe you can lose your salvation? If so, you trust in yourself, not Christ to save you. = not saving faith.

 

[HIM]

Do you believe you can lose your salvation? If so, you trust in yourself, not Christ to save you. = not saving faith.

If we are sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sins is what the Word says.

 

[Dave L]

If we are sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sins is what the Word says.

Who does this?
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)

 

[HIM]

Who does this?
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)

With man this is impossible. But with God all things are possible

 

[Dave L]

With man this is impossible. But with God all things are possible

People who think you can be lost do not experience saving faith.

 

[Servus]

How can you believe God saved you (have saving faith) if you think you can lose your salvation?

What about Paul writing, "But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified." 1 Corinthians 9:27

 

[Dave L]

What about Paul writing, "But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified." 1 Corinthians 9:27

saved people do this and always overcome sin. Just as bodybuilders hit the gym. It's part of our new nature.

 

[Servus]

saved people do this and always overcome sin. Just as bodybuilders hit the gym. It's part of our new nature.

But what did he mean by becoming disqualified or castaway?

 

[Dave L]

But what did he mean by becoming disqualified or castaway?

Salvation? No. An ineffective ministry? Yes.
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)

 

[Servus]

If we are sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sins is what the Word says.

Who does this?
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)

Backsliders do it. I did it myself to an extent for a period of time.