I asked for your reason(s). You gave me the one you gave me. I then responded. And now you want me to keep asking you if this is your only reason, rather than you just giving me the full reason(s)?
Yes, not my only reason, my only explanation. You don't know my full explanation because when I asked you if you wanted to know my full explanation, you declined to ask me, which leads me to believe you don't actually care about my explanation, but only your own understanding of my explanation.
In post #58, the conclusion stands that God chooses who will love Him. I can confidently conclude we both agree, as you have yet to try and deny this conclusion.
We don't both fully agree on this because, as I said, some people are not drawn to God automatically. That was what I wanted you to ask me about if you actually wanted to know what my explanation was, which you declined in asking.
In post #65, you stated "If you saw your sin, you would go to God for forgiveness. But you don't do that because you don't see the wrong you do or excuse it away."
You are asserting/insinuating this is why God does not choose for me to love Him? -- That I do not acknowledge my 'sin' in the correct way. --- And this is why He won;t engage me. Welp, this would be incorrect, as I asked for Him for decades, as I told you in another thread.
First of all, I don't know what you asked God. I know you didn't ask in faith, that much has been pretty well confirmed from my point of view. You can say you asked God things, but I don't know what you actually asked God. You can say you asked God lots of things, but that still doesn't tell me what exactly you asked God. So when I say God did not choose for you to love him, it means I am talking about how you didn't prayed to God acknowledging your sin in a faithful way. And to be sure, this can be amended at any point. The question, in the matter of acknowledging your sin, is whether or not you actually feel remorse over your sin to God, and you can't actually feel remorse over your sin to God if you are not acknowledging your sin in a way you think God is actually real, and asking in faith. I can very well vainly ask God to eliminate the suffering of the whole world, but this isn't an honest request because I could not ask God this with faith because I have to ask God things according to His Will and not mine. And since I don't feel it is God's Will to eliminate the sufferings of the entire world, it would mean I would not be asking God in faith.
Please take note of the bold red above.
And I would say I don't believe God "chooses" in the way you may think. I think God "Wills" things to happen, but this is actually independent of "choice" meaning, God doesn't choose based between one thing and another, but that He "decides" things independent of a dichotomous "choice".
If you want to know what my position is on God and his Will, you can read what I said about God's Will, and how I negated that it needs to be "Free" in my thread seen here. You will see there how I see our Free Will vs. God's Providence. You will not be able to engage in THAT thread because it is in a Christian section, but feel free to ask questions about it in THIS thread and I can try and give you an answer.
Okay, so you were not humble, and God made you humble. So why does He not do this to everyone? Please remember, I actively sought His presence for decades. I confessed my sins for decades. Heck, I was even raises Catholic, prior to converting to a non-denom...
I don't know why you are lumping in the question of why God doesn't make EVERYONE humble with your own experience. I would guess it would be because there is some connection here between the two, such as that God didn't make you personally humble and that is why you are asking why God doesn't make everyone humble. That's the link I see, but feel free to correct me.
And I don't really care about what denomination you are. God can work withing any denomination as far as I am concerned but that doesn't mean God DOES work in every domination in every instance regarding individuals. Personally, I think there are a LOT of people who THINK they are Christians because they believe THAT Jesus forgives them of their sins, but this doesn't mean they believe IN Jesus forgiving them of their sins.
Here's an article about this second paragraph in this section:
February Monthly Report - William Lane Craig
The relevant part is in Saving Faith and Secular Faith and the rest of the article.
Again, I'm only asking participants to respond to what I asked in post #1. If you want to go deeper, or '
flesh it out', make a new post. You already acknowledged this a while back.
I've already done this but it is addressed to Christians and not non-Christians. You can still comment on that post if you want here, but you will have to look at the link I provided.
Again, does the logical conclusion follow, in post #58? Please stop accusing me of dichotomies. It's a yes or no question. I even acknowledge how false dichotomies work, in the OP, FYI. And once you likely acknowledge yes once and for all, we can hash out the bottom of the OP.
How can I say this any more clearly. Your dichotomies do not fit my position. As such, answering yes or no does not actually accord with my perspective. You are even admitting here that you just want me to say yes, hence, you are not actually looking to understand my perspective, but just want me to agree to your terms. I already answered post 58 so there nothing left to say about it. If you don't like my answer to that post, then perhaps you need to adjust the method that you are trying to understand me. This is as clear as I can make it to you.
If the answer is B), not only does this negate the 'free will' argument, but also implies that God imposes His own will on some, to be drawn to Him, and not others. Why not impose on all humans?
No, it does not mean he takes away our "Free Will" in EVERY instance, which is the conclusion you are trying to smuggle into this. I've already explained that we have Free Will SOME of the time, but not ALL of the Time. So from my perspective, we still have the ability to make "Free Will" choices SOME of the time regardless of if we are drawn to God or not by His Will and that just because God draws some to Himself outside of our "Free Will" or not does not mean there are not OTHER "Free Will" choices that we can make. I don't know how I can make this more clear. Your proposition assumes we either have "Free Will" in EVERY case or we do NOT have "Free Will" in EVERY case and I am trying to say that God can draw us to Himself or not and this does not have an impact on ALL our "Free Will" choices because we do not have UNLIMITED "Free Will" in the case that God draws us to him or not. More to the point, if we have Free Will in EVERY case or not, then your conclusion would hold weight. But I don't believe we have Free Will in EVERY case or not on either side of God drawing us. So God drawing us is only ONE instance of relating to our Free Will and is not EVERY instance of our Free Will since we still have choices to make that are not necessarily based on God drawing us or not.