ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

[HIM]

Nice rhetoric. Typical in these threads.

Still grandstanding without actually addressing the op and the posts pertaining to it.

 

[DamianWarS]

Shocking really that anyone could possibly think the only scripture written by Gods hand and spoken by God our Creator and Savior and was kept in the most Holy of Holy in the ark, could be anything but SIGNIFICANT. There is plenty of scripture to support this, but it appears, no matter how much scripture is provided, people want to believe what fits their lifestyle. Much like the days of Noah.

I didn't say it wasn't significant I said it wasn't a mic drop for your argument which is how you are treating it. Where is the most Holy of Holy now? not everything is how Moses left it.

 

[DamianWarS]

oh boy.....The fact that your post doesn't even make sense in relation to the context of what you quoted doesn't bother you?

I clearly don't see what it is you're seeing. perhaps we are just on different pages. Since we've digressed down into arguments of defending how we feel I would suggest there is nowhere left to go.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I didn't say it was significant I said it wasn't a mic drop for your argument which is how you are treating it. Where is the most Holy of Holy now? not everything is how Moses left it.

A mic drop?

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[Danthemailman]

Still grandstanding without actually addressing the op and the posts pertaining to it.

Been there done that numerous times in the past, but there are too many people in these types of threads who just don’t have ears to hear. Have a nice weekend.

 

[DamianWarS]

A mic drop?

meaning the argument is so profoundly amazing that it overshadows all others to such a degree there is no need for further replies as it destroys all others. so rather than passing the mic you drop it as you feel there is no need to pick it up again, in a statement saying "this is finished, I win".

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Scripture is never insignificant. It’s people’s misapplication of scripture and continued rhetoric in order to accommodate a biased church doctrine that is insignificant.

My friend, you have made accusations and claims of misapplication of scripture while not providing any scripture to support your claims and position or showing why you disagree with the scriptures shared with you? Can you be more specific and provide detail please, as it might be helpful to this discussion? Of course you are free to believe as you wish but in all truth we should understand that only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to Romans 3:4 over man-made teachings and traditions that disregard God's Word. It is better to show why you disagree with the scriptures shared with you rather then simply disagree for the sake of a disagreement because you work on the Sabbath breaking God's 4th commandment or simply disagree with Gods' 4th commandment because it is not convenient. According to the scriptures, God's 10 commandments give us the knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and sin is the transgression of God's law *1 John 3:4 and not believing and following God's Word *Romans 14:23. According to James if we break anyone of them including God's 4th commandment we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-17. There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break God's 4th commandment in fulfillment of Danial 7:25. Jesus in his own words says that if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions after being given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and continue breaking God's commandments we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9 and if we are not worshiping God by breaking His commandments then the question we must all be asking ourselves as admonished in the scriptures in 2 Corinthians 13:5 is who are we following? Now what is it that you disagree with?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Been there done that numerous times in the past, but there are too many people in these types of threads who just don’t have ears to hear. Have a nice weekend.

Indeed, Jesus had the same problem when sharing God's Word with those in His days. Many people do not want to hear God's Word and argue against it. According to Jesus this is because the scriptures bring light and men love darkness rather then light and choose not to come to the light (scriptures) because their deeds were evil and they do not want to believe and follow God's Word *John 3:19. As it is written, Every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God. *John 3:20-21. So instead of hearing the Words of life (God) God gives to the world for the salvation of mankind many that are called choose to put their fingers in their ears and close their eyes. This was what Jesus and Paul were saying when quoting Isaiah 6:9-10 in Matthew 13:13-15 and Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27. Have a nice weekend.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Jesus does not mention law in the Mark 2:27 reference he mentions Sabbath. You however are reading the text like Sabbath, as in God's rest shown first on the 7th day, and the law of the Sabbath first introduced by Moses are inseparable. This is called conflation as you are combining two or more texts into one. You are combining Mosaic law and the 7th day into one and interpreting them as the same thing which is what your argument hinges on but you seem unwilling to discuss this critically which only makes your position seem biased but rather replying with things like "Not really dear friend". Apologies but that is not an answer, it is avoiding an answer.

As posted earlier there is no conflating anything dear friend. The Sabbath was indeed made at creation and Jesus is mentioning the 4th commandment of Gods 10 commandments as a law in Mark 2:27 because it is a law as shown in Exodus 20:8-11. The Sabbath is God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. In Exodus 20:8-11, it refers back to Genesis 2:1-3 in Exodus 20:11 and also in Exodus 20:8 were we are told to remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy. In Mark 2:27 Jesus states that the reason the Sabbath was made was for all mankind and not only for the Jew, or man for the Sabbath with all its' man-made rules that the Scribes and Pharisees were trying to put around it. The Sabbath was made according to Jesus for the benefit of all mankind. God blessed the "seventh day" and set it apart from all the other days of the week as a holy day of rest *Genesis 2:1-3 as a memorial of God's creation and a celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth *Exodus 20:8. Yet many deny God's Word in order to follow the traditions and teachings of men according to Jesus that break God's commandment because it is not convenient to believe and follow God's Word *Matthew 15:3-9. From your response, I believe it is you that is unwilling to discuss this topic critically dear friend. Of course you are free to do and believe as you wish but all your doing here is denying God's Word as shown here with your words that are not God's Word. As shown above these are Gods' Words not mine so your argument I believe in all respect is therefore with God not me because they are God's Word not mine your disagreeing with your words that are not God's but yours. For me only God's Word is true and you have not provided any. Does this not concern you? It should especially if God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the scriptures in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and 1 John 3:4 and according to James is we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. Now what is it in the scriptures provided here that you do not believe is true when only God's Word has been shared with you?

 

[klutedavid]

Sabbath may have had a formal start at the 7th day but the law itself starts 2500 years later.

Agree with you on that. The letter of the law started when God wrote it down (Exodus 20).

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Biblical timeline may put the 7th day preexisting the fall but there is a 2500 year gap between the creation account 7th day and the 4th commandment that you just causally dismiss and seem unwilling to discuss. Saying there was Sabbath, then the fall, then the law is grossly oversimplifing it and sweeps 2500 years under a rug of a period without mosaic law, yet clearly sin. Again you seem unwilling to discuss this and the bias keeps increasing.

Well that is not true but let's show why from the scriptures. God's people have always had God's law. Before the written Word of God given in Exodus 20 God's people according to the scriptures had the "spoken" Word of God. You seem to be trying to make an argument in silence to try and claim that the Sabbath was not kept after the fall of mankind until God's 10 commandments were given in Exodus 20 right after the children of ISRAEL left Egypt right? Now I will discuss this with you dear friend but if I am able to show scripture here, what will become of your argument in silence and why does it matter even if you claim Gods' people did not keep God's laws before Exodus 20 when God gave his law at Exodus 20? The fact remains God's law was given and it is the 10 commandments in the new covenant scriptures that give us the knowledge of what sin is today according to Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin according to James 2:10-11. So your claim here is a mute point. That said I still want to challenge your claims with scriptures as you have not made an argument in silence at all. Why?

Before the written Word of God given at Mt Sinai in Exodus 20:1-11. God's people all through time we are taught from the Torah (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Numbers) had the "spoken" Word of God. In the spoken Word of God we can see that Gods' people had a knowledge of what sin was and also knew about the old covenant laws for remission of sins and animal sacrifices that pointed to Jesus as Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world *John 1:29.

For example we read of Abraham in Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. The Hebrew words used in this scripture for law is תֹּורָה (tôwrâh). The scripture is stating that Abraham had God's laws and followed them through the spoken Word of God. This is further seen when Abraham went to offer Isaac his only son as a burnt offering symbolizing the offering that God would make in sending his only begotten Son for the sins of the world to redeem fallen man *John 3:16. God we know stopped Abraham and provided His own burn't offering and sacrifice for atonement. So we see from the scriptures that God's people had and kept God's laws before Exodus 20. Further evidence of this is seen as God's people already knew about the Sabbath before it was given in Exodus 20 back in Exodus 16.

Before the written Word of God was the Spoken Word of God. Before sin, man walked and talked with God face to face and was in perfect harmony with God (Genesis 1:28-31; Genesis 2:15-17; Genesis 3:8-22; Genesis 3:1-3; 9; 11-19 8:15; 9:8; 24:7; 31:11 etc). Nowhere in scriptures is there any hint that God's people before MOSES did not know about or keep God's Sabbath or any one of Gods’ 10 commandments as already shown in Genesis 26:5 and Exodus 16.

We can keep going through the scriptures. We know that according to the scriptures sin is the transgression of God's law and through the law is the knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. So in order to know what sin is those who sinned must have a knowledge of what God's law is. Yet we see God's people before Moses knew what sin was according to the scriptures....

God said in Genesis 4:7 to Cain when he was angry because he did not worship God in his appointed way that by doing this it was sin. Jesus says the same in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow and teachings of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God. Mankind was destroyed by a flood because of sin (Genesis 6:5-7). Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of sin (Genesis 18:20). Jacob knew about sin (breaking God's LAW) before Mt Sinai when he complained to Laben when he left with his daughters (Genesis 31:36).

When Potiphar’s wife came to Joseph with the aim of committing adultery, Joseph knew it was sin and protested saying how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God? (Genesis 39:9).

As time goes by God destroys mankind for evil and sin with a flood as well as Sodom and Gommorah with fire and the Epyptians with plagues *Genesis 6:5-13; Genesis 13:10-13; 18:20-33; 19:24; Exodus 9:13-14. If there was no knowledge of sin there would be no punishment for it. God’s WORD is very clear that all of God’s Commandments were kept by God’s people before the written WORD through the Spoken WORD of GOD.

As shown above God's Word (not mine) disagrees with your argument of silence which is simply not an argument at all. Now what is it you disagree with here in this post and the scriptures provided?

Hope this is helpful.

 

[klutedavid]

I think this was posted somewhere else..

ARE GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS ETERNAL?

All of God's 10 commandments are eternal! That is why God spoke them and wrote them on tables of stone *Exodus 20:1-17; Exodus 32:16. They were spoken by God alone and were the work of God alone written on two tables of stone. The scriptures teach that whatever God does, It shall be forever. Nothing can be added to it, And nothing taken from it. God does it, that men should fear before Him (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's 10 commandments were the direct spoken Words of God *Exodus 20:1-17. The scriptures teach also that God's Word is forever and we are to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God All the 10 commandments came directly out of the mouth of God *Exodus 20:1-17 therefore Gods' Word (10 commandments) are eternal *1 Peter 1:25; Matthew 4:4; Psalms 119:85; Isaiah 40:6-8; Matthew 24:35; Isaiah 55:11. God's 10 commandments were the work of God alone written on stone and directly spoken by God alone making them God's work and Gods' Word which the scriptures teach are forever. Sin in the scriptures is defined as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4 or not believing and following God's Word *Romans 14:23. There will be no sin (breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments or not believing and not following His Word in heaven). Those who continue to practice known unrepentant sin will not enter into God's Kingdom according to Paul *Hebrews 10:26-31 so all of God's 10 commandments will be obeyed forever and never more broken! So no there will be no murder no adultery, no stealing no lying, no covetousness, dishonoring our parents, no idols, no worshiping other Gods, no using God's name in vain and of course we know we will still continue to remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy according to God's 4th commandment *Isaiah 66:23. So simply in summary God's Word is and is law is eternal. There will no longer be sin (breaking Gods' commandments) in Heaven.

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In regards to the Sabbath? see Isaiah 66:22-23 where the Sabbath will be continued to be kept in the new Heavens and new earth.

Hope this is helpful.

This verse was quoted in this post of yours above, 1 Peter 1:25. You were using that verse to support your idea that the law is eternal.

I will print 1 Peter 1:25 below.

1 Peter 1:25
But the word of the Lord endures forever. And this is the word which was preached to you.

The word is Jesus Christ and not the ten commandments, and most certainly not the law.

If you think that the apostles were preaching the word (the Sabbath) across the world. Then you are horribly mistaken.

Here is the definition according to the scripture of "the Word".

John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[klutedavid]

Who says I am unwilling to discuss? Let's discuss it. You seem to be trying to make an argument in silence to try and claim that the Sabbath was now kept after the fall of mankind until God's 10 commandments were given in Exodus 20 right after the children of ISRAEL left Egypt? Now I will discuss this with you dear friend but if I am able to show scripture here what will become of your argument in silence and why does it matter even if you claim Gods' people did not keep God's laws before Exodus 20 when God gave his law at Exodus 20. The fact remains God's law was given and it is the 10 commandments in the new covenant scriptures that give us the knowledge of what sin is today according to Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin according to James 2:10-11. So your claim here is a mute point. That said I still want to challenge your claims with the scriptures.

Before the written Word of God given at Mt Sinai in Exodus 20:1-11. God's people all through time we are taught from Torah had the "spoken" Word of God. In the spoken Word of God we can see that Gods' people had a knowledge of what sin was and also knew about the old covenant laws for remission of sins and animal sacrifices that pointed to Jesus as Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world *John 1:29. For example we read of Abraham in Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. The Hebrew words used in this scripture for law is תֹּורָה (tôwrâh). The scripture is stating that Abraham had God's laws and followed them. This is further seen when Abraham went to offer Isaac his only son as a burnt offering symbolizing the offering that God would make in sending his only begotten Son for the sins of the world to redeem fallen man *John 3:16. God we know stopped Abraham and provided His own burn't offering for atonement. So God's people had and kept God's laws before Exodus 20. Further evidence of this is seen as God's people already knew about the Sabbath before it was given in Exodus 20 back in Exodus 16.

Before the written Word of God was the Spoken Word of God. Before sin, man walked and talked with God face to face and was in perfect harmony with God (Genesis 1:28-31; Genesis 2:15-17; Genesis 3:8-22; Genesis 3:1-3; 9; 11-19 8:15; 9:8; 24:7; 31:11 etc). Nowhere in scriptures is there any hint that God's people before MOSES did not know about of keep God's Sabbath or any one of Gods’ 10 commandments as already shown in Genesis 26:5 and Exodus 16.

We can keep going through the scriptures. We know that according to the scriptures sin is the transgression of God's law and through the law is the knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. So in order to know what sin is those who sinned must have a knowledge of what God's law is. Yet we see God's people before Moses knew what sin was according to the scriptures....

God said in Genesis 4:7 to Cain when he was angry because he did not worship God in his appointed way that by doing this it was sin. Jesus says the same in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow and teachings of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God. Mankind was destroyed by a flood because of sin (Genesis 6:5-7). Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of sin (Genesis 18:20). Jacob knew about sin (breaking God's LAW) before Mt Sinai when he complained to Laben when he left with his daughters (Genesis 31:36).

When Potiphar’s wife came to Joseph with the aim of committing adultery, Joseph knew it was sin and protested saying how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God? (Genesis 39:9).

As time goes by God destroys mankind for evil and sin with a flood as well as Sodom and Gommorah with fire and the Epyptians with plagues *Genesis 6:5-13; Genesis 13:10-13; 18:20-33; 19:24; Exodus 9:13-14. If there was no knowledge of sin there would be no punishment for it. God’s WORD is very clear that all of God’s Commandments were kept by God’s people before the written WORD through the Spoken WORD of GOD.

As shown above God's Word (not mine) disagrees with your argument of silence which is simply not an argument at all. Now what is it you disagree with?

Hope this is helpful.

You keep repeating a very serious mistake in your posts.

Before the written Word of God was the Spoken Word of God.

You have the first letter of the "word" in uppercase. This implies that the law is the Word itself. That is not true and is a serious mistake to be making.

John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word of God is Jesus Christ and not the law. The Word was preached by the apostles.

 

[klutedavid]

A mic drop?

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

The commandment is given below. Whatever you do, never confuse the true commandment with the law.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.

Not coveting the oxen will never save anyone. Yet to obey the commandment to believe in the name of Jesus wins hands down.

Are you obeying the true commandments?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I have never once said the Sabbath is abolished. I'm not sure what it is with Sabbath arguments that keep forcing an abolished position. I reject that and will state using Christs words that he did not come to destory the law and the prophets he came to fulfill them. You seem quick to judge my words in spirit of "destory" dispite that I have explicitly said the opposite. This is a starwman argument that blantently is misrepresenting my words and might I add disrespecting me as it continues to happen inspite of my correction. Please stop mispresenting me. Trying to discredit me through slander only builds the perception of a bias on your end.

Evidence of our faith is in word and action according to the scriptures James 2:18-26. If we are not keeping God's 4th commandment then your breaking it. Right? So are you claiming now your keep God's 4th commandments? Your words have not been misrepresented. You do not keep God's 4th commandment Sabbath and have come to this forum to teach against it right? Jesus tells us we shall know them by their fruits in Matthew 7:15-16 and John tells us how we can know if we know God or not in 1 John 2:3-4. Now how have you been misrepresented when I have only shared Gods' Word with you? God's Word is not slander it is God's Word not mine and we should believe and follow them according to Romans 3:4

You are conflating those who disagree with you with traditions of man without taking the time to address the issues. I can say the same of you, that you follow the tradition of man but without backing that up it's just name calling. Please, let's respect each other and our positions in the highest regard.

Not at all dear friend. The issues have all been addressed with God's Word and God's Word is not mine but God's. Of course you are free to disagree with your words and believe as you wish. I do not judge you as we all answer only to God come judgement day for the Word of God we accept or reject according to John in John 12:47-48. For me dear friend I only share God's Word as they are God's Word not mine and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Jesus says if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that bread the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. My prayer is that we might hear God's Word together and believe and follow them.

May you receive God's Word and be blessed dear friend. Ignoring them does not make them disappear.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Agree with you on that. The letter of the law started when God wrote it down (Exodus 20).

The letter of the law always has had the Spirit of the law in those who believe and follow God's Word as the Spirit is the Spirit of the Word of God *John 6:63. It is true you can have the letter of the law without the Spirit of the law if we do not believe and follow God's Word from the heart which is why we need to be born again into God's new covenant promise *Jeremiah 31:31-36; Ezekiel 36:24-27; Hebrews 8:10-12; 1 John 3:6-9. Those who are born of God do not practice sin according to the scriptures and those who do have not seen him or know him *1 John 2:3-4.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You keep repeating a very serious mistake in your posts.You have the first letter of the "word" in uppercase. This implies that the law is the Word itself. That is not true and is a serious mistake to be making.

John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word of God is Jesus Christ and not the law. The Word was preached by the apostles.

So what mistake would that be? Did you read the post you are quoting from? God's Word, not my words say in the post you are quoting from before the written Word of God was the spoken Word of God. Exodus 20:1-17 is the Word of God. All of God's 10 commandments are the only law given by God that is directly spoken to all of God's people by God alone and written with God's only finger alone and is the work of God alone and given to God's people as shown in scripture *Exodus 32:26; Exodus 20:1-17. The Law of God is expressed through love therefore is the representation of the Character of God so is not separate from God because God is love and every one that loves is born of God, and knows God. He that loves not knows not God; for God is love. *1 John 4:7-8. As the scriptures go on to teach dear friend, as it defines God's love "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." *1 John 5:3-4, also expressed by Jesus in John 14:15; John 15:10; John 14:23. God's love is expressed through obedience to God's law *Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12 not in disobedience to God's law and is why Jesus says on these two great commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This verse was quoted in this post of yours above, 1 Peter 1:25. You were using that verse to support your idea that the law is eternal.

I will print 1 Peter 1:25 below.

1 Peter 1:25
But the word of the Lord endures forever. And this is the word which was preached to you.

The word is Jesus Christ and not the ten commandments, and most certainly not the law.

If you think that the apostles were preaching the word (the Sabbath) across the world. Then you are horribly mistaken.

Here is the definition according to the scripture of "the Word".

John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Perhaps you need to re-read the post you are quoting from and the scriptures shared in them in order to better understand why 1 Peter 1:25 was used with the other supporting scriptures. It was used after the other scriptures to show that all of God's 10 commandments are the "spoken" Word of God as shown in Exodus 20:1-17 therefore eternal and everlasting. Not sure why you did not pick that up

 

[Danthemailman]

The commandment is given below. Whatever you do, never confuse the true commandment with the law.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.

Not coveting the oxen will never save anyone. Yet to obey the commandment to believe in the name of Jesus wins hands down.

Are you obeying the true commandments?

Amen brother! Sadly, certain people insist on remaining on the old covenant plantation and the end result of them mixing the old and new covenants together is a perverted gospel of salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works. (Galatians 1:6-9)

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The commandment is given below. Whatever you do, never confuse the true commandment with the law.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.

Not coveting the oxen will never save anyone. Yet to obey the commandment to believe in the name of Jesus wins hands down.

Are you obeying the true commandments?

Context is to God's law. Love is not separate from God's law it is expressed through it *Matthew 22:36-40 according to Jesus. Paul agrees with Jesus in Romans 13:8-10 as does James in James 2:8-12. Even John says the same thing as Jesus, Paul and James in 1 John 5:3. No one knows God or loves God according to the scriptures if they are breaking God's law according to John in 1 John 2:3-4; John 14:15; John 15:10.