theological debates in roman catholic and eastern orthodox

[chevyontheriver]

Right, while denying that they exclusively possess infallibility for that purpose-as if infallibility were a bad thing anyway.

Some of the most vociferous opponents of infallibility in the Catholic Church act incredibly infallible themselves.

 

[chevyontheriver]

interesting, debates happens at what level? btw the fathers? since the authority is ultimately on the pope, what to debate about actually?

The college of cardinals has the responsibility to advise the pope in addition to choosing the next pope. As such it is a place where discussion of differences is promoted, albeit the discussions are not going to be public. The bishops discuss differences when they are called together in councils or synods or other regional meetings. A diocese can have a diocesan synod, as the diocese did where I formerly lived, and we had free discussions with the bishop present. Then there is the Twitterverse where all sorts of people launch their ideas, as well as blogs and other opinion pieces.

There is a lot in Catholicism that is already figured out, so it isn't necessary to reopen as it would be in some kinds of Protestantism where everything is brand new every day and has to get hashed out all over again starting from zero. Then there are people who want to change everything in Catholicism to be more Protestant or more LGBTQWERTY or something, and those debates happen. We debate how to do liturgy. We debate finances. We debate all sorts of things at various levels. The main difference is that some things really are figured out already. So we don't need to debate limited atonement, for example, because we already know Jesus Christ died for all. We don't have to argue about whether He died only for some select folks.

 

[Tigger45]

Alright, and who can enforce that 'must'; most just keep referring to their interpretation of Scripture. And Tradition, as well, must be correctly understood and interpreted.

Significant doctrinal discrepancies were hampered out by using Ecumenical councils as described in Acts 15 (Another example of utilizing Scriptura to guide the way). Subsequent councils like Nicaea (325) would use pre-Nicene ECF writings, particularly those most closely associated with an Apostle.

 

[fhansen]

Significant doctrinal discrepancies were hampered out by using Ecumenical councils as described in Acts 15 (Another example of utilizing Scriptura to guide the way). Subsequent councils like Nicaea (325) would use pre-Nicene ECF writings, particularly those most closely associated with an Apostle.

Alright, I think the point is that the Church, itself, is an intrinsically necessary part of the process of arrivng at the truth especially when controversies arise, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Albion]

I never said they didn't disagree-only that the agreements are way more impressive than otherwise on matters that Protestants can't come to agree on to begin with-especially considering centuries of isolation.

Ah, so "way more impressive" is the claim.

But there is still the fact that you cannot compare two or six denominations and make a comparison with thousands of others without it looking like the differences are greater among the thousands. Actually. in this case, they are not.

For instance, almost all the Protestant churches that anyone has heard of agree on Sola Scriptura, on Salvation by Faith, and on Grace being the cause of us having Faith. The Catholic churches don't even agree on their alternative to Sola Scriptura -- Sacred Tradition -- and what could be more basic than that?_

 

[fhansen]

For instance, almost all the Protestant churches that anyone has heard of agree on Sola Scriptura, on Salvation by Faith, and on Grace being the cause of us having Faith.

The Protestant churches cannot even agree on something as basic as baptismal regeneration, so useless to them and the process of determining truth is the doctrine of Sola Scriptura that they do agree on-for some unexplained reason. But the EO & Catholic do happen to agree on their doctrine of baptism even apart from the Scripture that can also be used to support it.

 

[concretecamper]

Does the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christian debate themselves? Or debate is only a thing for protestant Christian?

I think it is becasue of ignorance. My experience is that EO understand what the Catholic Church teaches. My experience is also that the vast majority of protestants on this forum have no clue what the Catholic Church teaches. This leads to "you worship Mary" claims (among many others) very often.

 

[concretecamper]

The Protestant churches cannot even agree on something as basic as baptismal regeneration

within the same communion there is doctrinal latitude given to members. So it is a deeper problem than you represent.

 

[Albion]

The Protestant churches cannot even agree on something as basic as baptismal regeneration...

Look, this doctrine-by-doctrine approach isn't getting us anywhere. There are similarities and dissimilarities among both the Protestant and the Catholic groups. The idea that the former is split a hundred different ways while the latter is basically of one mind, however, is untrue.

 

[concretecamper]

Look, this doctrine-by-doctrine approach isn't getting us anywhere. There are similarities and dissimilarities among both the Protestant and the Catholic groups. The idea that the former is split a hundred different ways while the latter is basically of one mind, however, is untrue.

I like when we get down the the fundamental issues, they are dismissed.

The Catholic Church of Allentown PA (my diocese) teaches the same doctrines as every other dioceses in PA, the USA, and the World. The same CANNOT be said about Protestantism. Like is said before, doctrinal difference are gladly accepted.

 

[Cis.jd]

Nuda Scriptura is the ‘only’ rule of faith where Sola Scriptura is the ‘final’ rule of faith.

Nuda Scriptura and Sola Scriptura all ends the same. It seems to me that Nuda Scriptura is an invented excuse made by protestants who couldn't debunk each others self-interpretations so they made this Nuda Scriptura to just convince themselves that their disputes isn't due to them being victims of the fallacy with in sola scriptura.

 

[Albion]

The Catholic Church of Allentown PA (my diocese) teaches the same doctrines as every other dioceses in PA, the USA, and the World.

Now compare that with the Orthodox Eastern Churches, the Coptic Church, the Old Catholic Churches, the SSPX, SSPV, the Polish National Catholic Church and the other Catholic church bodies.

That is what you would have to do if you want to make a comparison to the Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Baptists, etc.

 

[concretecamper]

Now compare that with the Orthodox Eastern Churches, the Coptic Church, the Old Catholic Churches, the SSPX, SSPV, the Polish National Catholic Church and the other Catholic church bodies.

the is only 1 Catholic Church. The others you mention are not part of her.

That is what you would have to do if you want to make a comparison to the Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Baptists, etc.

nope, Anglicans encourage doctrinal differences, forget about the othe branches of Mainline Protestants you mentioned

 

[Tigger45]

Nuda Scriptura and Sola Scriptura all ends the same. It seems to me that Nuda Scriptura is an invented excuse made by protestants who couldn't debunk each others self-interpretations so they made this Nuda Scriptura to just convince themselves that their disputes isn't due to them being victims of the fallacy with in sola scriptura.

That’s an unsubstantiated opinion and does nothing in addressing the OP which is >
theological debates in roman catholic and eastern orthodox

 

[Albion]

the is only 1 Catholic Church. The others you mention are not part of her.

If we are to look at the matter that way, there is only one Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod. Now let's compare it with your church and see which of them is the most characterized by doctrinal disagreements.

 

[concretecamper]

In that case, there is only one Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod.

The LCMS is in communion with other Lutheran bodies that do not teach the same doctrines Apples and oranges.

 

[Albion]

The LCMS is in communion with other Lutheran bodies that do not teach the same doctrines Apples and oranges.

Which other churches did you have in mind and what are the differences?

 

[concretecamper]

Which other churches did you have in mind and what are the differences?

haha, I'm not gonna do your homework. Why dont you do some research and report back.

So back to the original topic, the Catholic Church is ONE in doctrine. That cannot be found within Protestantism as a whole or individual communion. And communions such as Anglican encourage doctrinal differences which never made sense to me.

 

[Albion]

haha, I'm not gonna do your homework.

I asked what churches you had in mind when you made your claim and what differences you had in mind.

I don't think that's on file at the local library.

 

[concretecamper]

I asked what churches you had in mind when you made your claim and what differences you had in mind.

I don't think that's on file at the local library.

I like the saying " expand the mind"