What is the Falsification for Abiogenesis and Theory of Evolution?

[pitabread]

Yes its true, you see this everywhere, give an example where the creation is more than than the creator.

As I said, read up on the concept of emergent properties.

(Also, your premise is too vague to answer. What does "more than the creator" even mean? What is the "more" in this context?)

 

[NBB]

As I said, read up on the concept of emergent properties.

Could you just give an example not related to evolution? There is plenty of examples about this, like what ourselves do, and animals etc, nature in general.

 

[pitabread]

Could you just give an example not related to evolution? There is plenty of examples about this, like what ourselves do, and animals etc, nature in general.

As I said in my edit, your question is too vague to properly answer. I have no idea what you mean by "more than the creator". More what?

 

[NBB]

As I said in my edit, your question is too vague to properly answer. I have no idea what you mean by "more than the creator". More what?

Humans can't make something as great as themselves ("meaning, more sophisticated, capabable of more or the same, as 'great' as a thing as them) even with tools intelligence and study and great effort, evolution has none of all that, and it did better? i don't think so.

 

[NBB]

Science is not opinion.

That God did things to me is not an opinion either.

 

[pitabread]

Humans can't make something as great as themselves ("meaning, more sophisticated, capabable of more or the same, as 'great' as a thing as them) even with tools intelligence and study and great effort, evolution has none of all that, and it did better? i don't think so.

Your premise is still vague. What do mean we can't make things more capable that what we do? We arguably do that all the time: that's why we build tools for example.

Heck, I have a machine in my driveway capable of traveling at speeds that are far greater than a human can on their own. How is that not something greater than what a human can do?

(I suspect this is where the goalposts start shifting...)

 

[NBB]

Your premise is still vague. What do mean we can't make things more capable that what we do? We arguably do that all the time: that's why we build tools for example.

Heck, I have a machine in my driveway capable of traveling at speeds that are far greater than a human can on their own. How is that not something greater than what a human can do?

(I suspect this is where the goalposts start shifting...)

As a whole i mean intelligence and consciouness etc included, you think your car or computer is better than a human? i am not talking about instrinsic 'human value' but as a thing as a whole. Those things are a lot less in terms of being capable of things and sophistication and design etc. Sure a rock is better than a human in not getting hurt when hit, are rocks better...

 

[Speedwell]

No, i'm not that ignorant, you ignore the best truths in life and i don't accuse you because of it.

If you don't like the word "ignorant" we can just say tht you appear to be completely unaware about how scientists go about their business.

 

[VirOptimus]

That God did things to me is not an opinion either.

I dont care about your belief.

 

[NBB]

If you don't like the word "ignorant" we can just say tht you appear to be completely unaware about how scientists go about their business.

Look treating people as ignorant because they don't believe in evolution is a common rude thing evolutionist do. 'Science' is screwed and ignorant of the truth when they start to say our origin is not God.

 

[NBB]

I dont care about your belief.

Its not a belief, its God himself doing things to people. You shouls care, people usually talks about things that happened to them because they really happened to them, unless they are liars.

 

[pitabread]

As a whole i mean intelligence and consciouness etc included, you think your car or computer is better than a human?

My car and computer are definitely better at specific things. I can't run as fast as my car, which is why I use it for transportation.

Likewise, my computer can do all sorts of things I can't do on my own. It's a lot better at complex math than I am, for example.

i am not talking about instrinsic 'human value' but as a thing as a whole.

I don't know what "thing as a whole" is supposed to mean? If you're talking about comparing things by certain metrics, what metrics are you using? Come up with some specific criteria.

Those things are a lot less in terms of being capable of things and sophistication and design etc. Sure a rock is better than a human in not getting hurt when hit, are rocks better...

Well sure, as you say rocks are generally more durable. There is a reason we've traditionally used rocks in building structures as opposed to making things out of squishy human bodies.

All of this is coming back to a premise based on ill-defined criteria. You start by explicitly defining how you measure and compare things. And by most metrics, you'll find humans aren't necessarily the "greatest" at a lot of things.

 

[pitabread]

Its not a belief, its God himself doing things to people. You shouls care, people usually talks about things that happened to them because they really happened to them, unless they are liars.

Keep in mind, there is a difference between having an experience versus attributing an experience to a specific cause.

I've had a lot of similar experiences that many people have otherwise ascribed to supernatural causes, but I don't personally believe those experiences are supernatural in nature.

I do think your typical supernatural/religious experiences have more mundane explanations. But confirmation bias is a powerful thing and for people who base their beliefs on such experiences, it's not likely they'll change their mind.

 

[NBB]

My car and computer are definitely better at specific things. I can't run as fast as my car, which is why I use it for transportation.

Likewise, my computer can do all sorts of things I can't do on my own. It's a lot better at complex math than I am, for example.



I don't know what "thing as a whole" is supposed to mean? If you're talking about comparing things by certain metrics, what metrics are you using? Come up with some specific criteria.



Well sure, as you say rocks are generally more durable. There is a reason we've traditionally used rocks in building structures as opposed to making things out of squishy human bodies.

All of this is coming back to a premise based on ill-defined criteria. You start by explicitly defining how you measure and compare things. And by most metrics, you'll find humans aren't necessarily the "greatest" at a lot of things.

Just compare with your common sense and decide which thing is better/greatest/more capable. its not hard i guess.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Just compare with your common sense and decide which thing is better/greatest/more capable. its not hard i guess.

Common sense is a useless tool. In fact the whole enterprise of science is the build up of tools to discern things when common sense fails us.

 

[VirOptimus]

Its not a belief, its God himself doing things to people. You shouls care, people usually talks about things that happened to them because they really happened to them, unless they are liars.

Your claim is then that christianity is not a belief, good luck with that!

 

[NBB]

Common sense is a useless tool. In fact the whole enterprise of science is the build up of tools to discern things when common sense fails us.

Well make a scale with every value of what humans can do and make the same for everything humans created or i don't know... just think and you will find humans can do what they creations not, they are more capable always than their creation, the same for everything.

I would say human creations are less than the animals, yet humans are greater than animals by a lot. That would put things in perpective.

 

[NBB]

Your claim is then that christianity is not a belief, good luck with that!

Its not, christianity is believing in God/Jesus, but after that following him and receiveing a new life from him in this earth, christianity is not 'belief alone' it would be worthless if that was the case.

 

[VirOptimus]

Its not, christianity is believing in God/Jesus, but after that following him and receiveing a new life from him in this earth, christianity is not 'belief alone' it would be worthless if that was the case.

You are hilarious.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Well make a scale with every value of what humans can do and make the same for everything humans created or i don't know... just think and you will find humans can do what they creations not, they are more capable always than their creation, the same for everything.

I would say human creations are less than the animals, yet humans are greater than animals by a lot. That would put things in perpective.

Did you reply the wrong post, because this gibberish isn't even related to my comment on science and common sense. It seems more related to your "creation < creator" notion.