The Holocaust was Wrong

[Dave L]

Ah, so you're prejudiced too? At least you're honest

What fellowship hath light with darkness?

 

[Dave L]

Wow, so you just make up more claims about how you have special knowledge, that's not arrogant and deluded at all.

If you had it, you would believe in Christ. It's proof you don't.

 

[Landon Caeli]

What's your position? This can be taken in more ways than one.

My position is that the devil does what he wants, and is not under God's "control"... Not because God can't control him, but because God is the ultimate giver of liberty and freedom... For better or for worse.

 

[Dave L]

My position is that the devil does what he wants, and is not under God's "control"... Not because God can't control him, but because God is the ultimate giver of liberty and freedom... For better or for worse.

How can God foretell the future if anyone including Satan has free will?

 

[Landon Caeli]

How can God foretell the future if anyone including Satan has free will?

God exists beyond the restraints of time.

 

[Robban]

How can God foretell the future if anyone including Satan has free will?

If He is all knowing and He gives you free hands to do whatever you choose but, He knows already what you will choose.

So, you are free to choose but we cannot hide anything from Him.

Angels do not have free will

as they are created so are they, they cannot change.

In His humility He put forward a suggestion to the heavenly hosts:
"Let us make man in our image."

Silence, not a murmur.

So, He made man in His own image, in His own image He made man etc.

He has free will so too have we free will also the ability to reason and a sense of morality but there it stops.

To try and foresee the future is for us forbidden

 

[Dave L]

If He is all knowing and He gives you free hands to do whatever you choose but, He knows already what you will choose.

So, you are free to choose but we cannot hide anything from Him.

Angels do not have free will

as they are created so are they, they cannot change.

In His humility He put forward a suggestion to the heavenly hosts:
"Let us make man in our image."

Silence, not a murmur.

So, He made man in His own image, in His own image He made man etc.

He has free will so too have we free will also the ability to reason and a sense of morality but there it stops.

To try and foresee the future is for us forbidden

You are assuming Satan and wicked people control God.

 

[Robban]

You are assuming Satan and wicked people control God.

Someone is not paying attention.

 

[Dave L]

Someone is not paying attention.

You cannot get around it. Satan determining God's will?

 

[Robban]

You cannot get around it. Satan determining God's will?

The Satan is on God's payroll,

it is a job description.

 

[Dave L]

The Satan is on God's payroll,

it is a job description.

That's far different from God looking to see what Satan's up to and then adjusting his plan for creation according to it.

 

[Robban]

That's far different from God looking to see what Satan's up to and then adjusting his plan for creation according to it.

Does He have a plan?

There is a blueprint, it is Torah.

 

[Dave L]

Does He have a plan?

There is a blueprint, it is Torah.

That was the Old Covenant. The New Covenant replaced it and makes it understandable at a higher level to Christians.

 

[Robban]

That was the Old Covenant. The New Covenant replaced it and makes it understandable at a higher level to Christians.

That smells of spiritual haughtiness.

 

[muichimotsu]

What fellowship hath light with darkness?

Light is only recognized by contrast with darkness, it is not extant in itself anymore than you can speak about hot without reference to cold as the reduction of heat.

This is the kind of ridiculous dualism that informs the irrational thinking you spread and enables all manner of prejudice under some "separate but equal" tripe that I'm shocked it took until the 1960s (about 100 years after the Civil War ended) to tear down by people seeing their privilege

 

[muichimotsu]

How can God foretell the future if anyone including Satan has free will?

And you've just pointed out a fundamental problem in the ascribing of perfect qualities to your imaginary friend that is also some transcendent entity

 

[muichimotsu]

If you had it, you would believe in Christ. It's proof you don't.

Circular reasoning, it's easier than thinking!

 

[Dave L]

Circular reasoning, it's easier than thinking!

No. it's true. If you could see Christ as the Messiah you would follow him instead of opposing him. God revealed him to Peter. Maybe you will see it one day.

 

[Dave L]

And you've just pointed out a fundamental problem in the ascribing of perfect qualities to your imaginary friend that is also some transcendent entity

If you knew him you would also believe.

 

[Dave L]

Light is only recognized by contrast with darkness, it is not extant in itself anymore than you can speak about hot without reference to cold as the reduction of heat.

This is the kind of ridiculous dualism that informs the irrational thinking you spread and enables all manner of prejudice under some "separate but equal" tripe that I'm shocked it took until the 1960s (about 100 years after the Civil War ended) to tear down by people seeing their privilege

This is why you cannot see Christ. You have no light for contrast.