The Holocaust was Wrong

[Dave L]

When we have darkened minds we assume others are equally confused. I have no issue with Arabs. My closest friend was Muslim and I was a practicing Jew. But we broke bread and loved one another like sisters.

Scripture devoid of love is a clanging cymbal worth silencing. No morsel of theology will overcome a heart lacking His presence. It’s dead and useless.

Yours in His Service,

~bella

Do you believe God controls all? Then nothing happens apart from him. Why pray if he does not control all.

 

[Dave L]

People can apply the idea to Judaism: or have you never heard of a little thing written by the Father of the Reformation, Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies, written in 1543? Jesus as Jew would've been incidental at best if the idea is he was God incarnate and all

Why should I reject or hate a person that I merely don't agree with? it doesn't follow that I hate people who, for instance, voted for Trump, even though I thoroughly condemn the ideas. You seem to be confusing the idea of disapproval with hatred by some equivocation, the same as Jesus' idea that if I get angry at someone, it's like I've murdered them in my heart.

Where is Biblical Israel today, then, if not in the country which espouses, to my knowledge, equally dangerous Zionist ideals? Is it the idea that "Israel" is the church? I'm not that familiar, but I've gleaned enough to see metaphorical spin from those who prefer to demonize their opponents as heretics, false teachers, even children of Satan or such, the list goes on.

Jesus is the Messiah. And biblical Isreal accepted him. He removed all unbelievers when he abolished circumcision. And will only reunite any who also accept Christ as Messiah. Paul says he placed them under wrath until the end.

 

[muichimotsu]

Jesus is the Messiah. And biblical Isreal accepted him. He removed all unbelievers when he abolished circumcision. And will only reunite any who also accept Christ as Messiah. Paul says he placed them under wrath until the end.

Jews would disagree with your conclusion and they did even back then, your point is merely asserting your conviction versus someone else's based on esoteric interpretations

And circumcision is hardly the one unifying factor of Jews, though I imagine it's pretty common. You're really being insulting with the idea that Jews are somehow this evil group that Jesus dismissed when, by your own admission, he was a Jew. That's internalized prejudice of the highest order and doesn't help your case that Christianity doesn't have an anti semitic root in it

Just because you believe a particular interpretation of messianic prophecy in the Torah doesn't make it right, especially when Jews thoroughly disagree with you and can explain why in detail.

 

[Dave L]

Jews would disagree with your conclusion and they did even back then, your point is merely asserting your conviction versus someone else's based on esoteric interpretations

And circumcision is hardly the one unifying factor of Jews, though I imagine it's pretty common. You're really being insulting with the idea that Jews are somehow this evil group that Jesus dismissed when, by your own admission, he was a Jew. That's internalized prejudice of the highest order and doesn't help your case that Christianity doesn't have an anti semitic root in it

Just because you believe a particular interpretation of messianic prophecy in the Torah doesn't make it right, especially when Jews thoroughly disagree with you and can explain why in detail.

God blinded the unbelieving Jews so they could not understand scripture. What I'm saying comes from the Christian scriptures they cannot understand even today.

 

[muichimotsu]

God blinded the unbelieving Jews so they could not understand scripture. What I'm saying comes from the Christian scriptures they cannot understand even today.

Well that's convenient, every other group is wrong because the God you believe in made things so that they'd get it wrong, even though God supposedly inspired those prophecies for the ancient Israelites and not Christians that would've come about about half a millennium later

You don't get to presuppose you're right, demonstrate this claim or you're just making special pleading for your case by constantly goalpost shifting so that there cannot be a way to falsify these claims because it boils down to "faith", which is effectively useless as anything reliable or getting to truth rather than mere conviction

 

[Dave L]

Well that's convenient, every other group is wrong because the God you believe in made things so that they'd get it wrong, even though God supposedly inspired those prophecies for the ancient Israelites and not Christians that would've come about about half a millennium later

You don't get to presuppose you're right, demonstrate this claim or you're just making special pleading for your case by constantly goalpost shifting so that there cannot be a way to falsify these claims because it boils down to "faith", which is effectively useless as anything reliable or getting to truth rather than mere conviction

Can you understand scripture? Jesus showed us how to interpret it. It's lots different than most think.

 

[muichimotsu]

Can you understand scripture? Jesus showed us how to interpret it. It's lots different than most think.

That's still more confirmation bias on your part, assuming you have the right heuristic to interpret what is a divine revelation when clearly others will disagree with you. How is your interpretation any better in a way that isn't going to be biased towards your preconceptions?

Do you even understand the epistemological issues you're stumbling over by this assertion you're right by circularly appealing to the very text you already believe is divinely inspired with no evidence beyond your conviction?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

God blinded the unbelieving Jews so they could not understand scripture. What I'm saying comes from the Christian scriptures they cannot understand even today.

I know an unbelieving Jew who would love to get to know you better.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

God blinded the unbelieving Jews so they could not understand scripture. What I'm saying comes from the Christian scriptures they cannot understand even today.

It is telling that the German Christians who tried (and failed like everyone before them) to eradicate the Jews spouted the same garbage that you are. Unbelieving, blinded Jews, can’t understand scripture, under God’s wrath. Perhaps we have seen the fruits that you offer and we know you.

 

[muichimotsu]

It is telling that the German Christians who tried (and failed like everyone before them) to eradicate the Jews spouted the same garbage that you are. Unbelieving, blinded Jews, can’t understand scripture, under God’s wrath. Perhaps we have seen the fruits that you offer and we know you.

It's almost like they completely ignored my reference to a text from one of the leading theologians at the time of the Protestant Reformation and seemingly invoked by many Christian thinkers in some degree, Martin Luther. Though even John Calvin, even more popular, was also fairly anti Judaic in his thought

 

[Dave L]

It is telling that the German Christians who tried (and failed like everyone before them) to eradicate the Jews spouted the same garbage that you are. Unbelieving, blinded Jews, can’t understand scripture, under God’s wrath. Perhaps we have seen the fruits that you offer and we know you.

Read your bible at least once through and then try to prove it doesn't say so. ANYONE who is not born again cannot understand the bible. Jews or gentiles alike.

 

[Dave L]

I know an unbelieving Jew who would love to get to know you better.

Not possible. I limit my circle to believers only.

 

[Dave L]

That's still more confirmation bias on your part, assuming you have the right heuristic to interpret what is a divine revelation when clearly others will disagree with you. How is your interpretation any better in a way that isn't going to be biased towards your preconceptions?

Do you even understand the epistemological issues you're stumbling over by this assertion you're right by circularly appealing to the very text you already believe is divinely inspired with no evidence beyond your conviction?

Anyone not born again cannot understand scripture. This includes all Jews and gentiles.

 

[muichimotsu]

Anyone not born again cannot understand scripture. This includes all Jews and gentiles.

Wow, so you just make up more claims about how you have special knowledge, that's not arrogant and deluded at all.

 

[muichimotsu]

Not possible. I limit my circle to believers only.

Ah, so you're prejudiced too? At least you're honest

 

[Landon Caeli]

Do you believe God controls all? Then nothing happens apart from him. Why pray if he does not control all.

If God controls "all"... Then God is all good and all evil.

 

[Par5]

Not possible. I limit my circle to believers only.

Not possible. I limit my circle to believers only.

Something that I am sure is greatly appreciated by the non-believers.

 

[Landon Caeli]

It's sad when a Christian cannot tell the difference between God the Father and the father of lies.

 

[Dave L]

Something that I am sure is greatly appreciated by the non-believers.

You are known by your friends.

 

[Dave L]

If God controls "all"... Then God is all good and all evil.

What's your position? This can be taken in more ways than one.