How did the earliest Christians differ from us.

[honey badger]

Generated from neural/chemical processes influenced by internal and external stimulus....basic enough?

so we agree then that our mind/garden can be seeded from within and also from without ...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

so we agree then that our mind/garden can be seeded from within and also from without ...

Good seed and bad seed in the garden?

 

[honey badger]

Good seed and bad seed in the garden?

an eating of a tree of two fruits ...

answer me this then ... how do we reason ?

 

[Noxot]

For by grace you are saved through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain,

If God gave me a gift then it is now mine. God wanted to give me a gift so why would I want to take that away from him?

Not of myself, hmmm what did God give me? God gave us something and by faith we want to give God something.

If Grace is God's freedom then faith is man's freedom. We could easily replace the word faith with will or love. Yes, how can it be of myself when what I want is of God?

If it's not of myself then is it of Christ in me, the hope of glory? but if Paul spoke about a spiritual process then must things always remain how he defined them to be?

It is clear what a difference between Abel and Cain there was. One was better than the other, one was more righteous than the other. One had more faith than the other.

Spirit, Freedom, faith, will, perception, desire, love... they are all the same thing.

 

[honey badger]

If God gave me a gift then it is now mine. God wanted to give me a gift so why would I want to take that away from him?

Not of myself, hmmm what did God give me? God gave us something and by faith we want to give God something.

If Grace is God's freedom then faith is man's freedom. We could easily replace the word faith with will or love. Yes, how can it be of myself when what I want is of God?

If it's not of myself then is it of Christ in me, the hope of glory? but if Paul spoke about a spiritual process then must things always remain how he defined them to be?

It is clear what a difference between Abel and Cain there was. One was better than the other, one was more righteous than the other. One had more faith than the other.

Spirit, Freedom, faith, will, perception, desire, love... they are all the same thing.

as you know the gift of God is Himself ... it is our own reasoning by way of two fruits of a tree which affords us a perception (third part cast down) contrary to this Truth ....

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

an eating of a tree of two fruits ...

Is it 2 trees producing the same fruit, 2 trees producing different fruits or 1 tree producing 2 different fruits...and if the latter, how...

 

[Noxot]

as you know the gift of God is Himself ... it is our own reasoning by way of two fruits of a tree which affords us a perception (third part cast down) contrary to this Truth ....

The tree of life is the Trinity and they are in perfect Unity. ( Third part not cast down) ;p

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

answer me this then ... how do we reason ?

We consciously decide and choose between beliefs, paths, values, things we want, things we need, etc

 

[Noxot]

We consciously and unconsciously do it, I would say. All the flesh is a correspondence for higher realities though. therefore cause and effect do not happen just horizontally but also vertically. the inwardness of something penetrates into other realities.

 

[honey badger]

Is it 2 trees producing the same fruit, 2 trees producing different fruits or 1 tree producing 2 different fruits...and if the latter, how...

two perceptions/sons of one tree/soul ... it is an in the day you eat, which relates to the sixth (labor) or the seventh (rest) ..... Jesus received all the things the devil tempted him with in the wilderness, which is to say the tree revealed its fruit to him without him having to touch it ...

 

[honey badger]

We consciously and unconsciously do it, I would say. All the flesh is a correspondence for higher realities though. therefore cause and effect do not happen just horizontally but also vertically. the inwardness of something penetrates into other realities.

God calls us to reason with Him .. He being in all flesh ... in everything there is a path back seeing everything testifies of Him ... in one picture of the cross as the alter Christ was crucified on speaks to this you wrote as in north south and east west ....

 

[Noxot]

God calls us to reason with Him .. He being in all flesh ... in everything there is a path back seeing everything testifies of Him ... in one picture of the cross as the alter Christ was crucified on speaks to this you wrote as in north south and east west ....

It is nice that Christians throughout the ages have contemplated Christ crucified. I don't care about how much Christians might have changed but rather how much they have grown and how many have loved to God.

 

[honey badger]

We consciously decide and choose between beliefs, paths, values, things we want, things we need, etc

so do we agree that to reason is the comparison between two opposites ....

 

[honey badger]

It is nice that Christians throughout the ages have contemplated Christ crucified. I don't care about how much Christians might have changed but rather how much they have grown and how many have loved to God.

and yet when you view the theologies and doctrines which have come out from Christendom, one can only conclude that their contemplation of Christ crucified has been superficial at best ...

 

[Noxot]

and yet when you view the theologies and doctrines which have come out from Christendom, one can only conclude that their contemplation of Christ crucified has been superficial at best ...

They are a good starting point, plenty of background information to build from. Some are better than others. Trust me you do not want to see what the so-called plain truth of the Hindus has brought about. I do not want to drink cow pee.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

so do we agree that to reason is the comparison between two opposites ....

Not always, some things are similar but not exactly the same yet not polar opposites...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

two perceptions/sons of one tree/soul ... it is an in the day you eat, which relates to the sixth (labor) or the seventh (rest) ..... Jesus received all the things the devil tempted him with in the wilderness, which is to say the tree revealed its fruit to him without him having to touch it ...

Adam was created on the 6th day and the 2nd Adam was destroyed. Wilderness...40 days...40 years...

 

[honey badger]

Not always, some things are similar but not exactly the same yet not polar opposites...

how do you know (have knowledge of ) what hot is ?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

how do you know (have knowledge of ) what hot is ?

Usually you experience it...is warm, hot or cold?

 

[honey badger]

Adam was created on the 6th day and the 2nd Adam was destroyed. Wilderness...40 days...40 years...

in the wilderness on the sixth day the Israelites received a double portion ... the portion of the first born which relates to the two tables we eat from ... one being prepared by our soul and one already prepared by our spirit ... a perception by way of a mixture of two opposites

So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I am about to spit you out of My mouth.