LDS The Infallibility of the Prophets

[BigDaddy4]

So you can live your life the way God desires you to live it, or, if different, you can live your life any way you want to live it. You can keep the commandments of LOVE or neglect them. I assume you know right from wrong, good from evil. You are free to choose your own destination. As for LOVE, God is LOVE and His commandments are all about LOVE. We are here to learn to LOVE as Jesus LOVED:

(New Testament | Ephesians 4:11 - 13)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Random tangent? Does not relate to the the discussion of translation.

 

[He is the way]

Random tangent? Does not relate to the the discussion of translation.

You previously said: "I'm not the one who brings doubt on the authenticity of the Word of God. That is the LDS. You said it yourself in the 2 quotes of yours I provided.

Additionally, you're church brings about doubt that not everything was "translated" by JS."

You are the one who wants to bring about doubt. I on the other hand believe the Bible to be mostly true. That is why I post so many verses out of the Bible. If you want to take a different stand, you can live your life any way you want to live it. You can keep the commandments of LOVE or neglect them. In other words there is NO change any of those these verses:

(New Testament | Matthew 22:35 - 40)

35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

(New Testament | Luke 10:25 - 28)

25 ¶ And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Joseph Smith might have might have made a few more changes, but in my opinion he was mostly done with his translation of the Bible and these verses were not changed. God is LOVE.

 

[Leaf473]

Some commandments are more important than others. Lesser ones do not get the same air time so to speak.

I agree that some commandments get more "air time", as you say.

In addition to Jesus, who gets to say which commandments are more important? Does the current LDS president?

I think that situation would in practice lead to a person giving unwavering allegiance to that president.

 

[dzheremi]

I agree that some commandments get more "air time", as you say.

In addition to Jesus, who gets to say which commandments are more important? Does the current LDS president?

I think that situation would in practice lead to a person giving unwavering allegiance to that president.

Indeed. One could even say that's the point of that being the situation.

 

[Leaf473]

This law was for the house of Israel.

How do LDS decide which commandments are for the house of Israel and which are for everyone?

 

[Leaf473]

Prophets are not perfect, that being said we have to listen to the promptings of the Holy Ghost. I have listened to those promptings my self and He has verified to me the truth of the words of the prophets. The prophets have taught us the value of honesty, charity, love, work, virtue, humility, obedience, benevolence, kindness, thankfulness, etc. These things have become of great importance to me in my life. Paul was correct in saying that salvation is through Jesus Christ.

Thank you for the nice response. The question is, does Woodruff's guarantee apply to Peter?

 

[He is the way]

I agree that some commandments get more "air time", as you say.

In addition to Jesus, who gets to say which commandments are more important? Does the current LDS president?

I think that situation would in practice lead to a person giving unwavering allegiance to that president.

The president of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints has not and will not go against the commandments of LOVE which are the greatest commandments. Those commandments encompass the attributes of God. They include these attributes; honesty, charity, love, work, virtue, humility, obedience, benevolence, kindness, thankfulness, etc.

 

[Leaf473]

...we have to listen to the promptings of the Holy Ghost. I have listened to those promptings my self and He has verified to me the truth of the words of the prophets. The prophets have taught us the value of honesty, charity, love, work, virtue, humility, obedience, benevolence, kindness, thankfulness, etc. These things have become of great importance to me in my life. Paul was correct in saying that salvation is through Jesus Christ.

I agree with being led by the spirit.

I think it's good to allow, though, that if a person stops following the leader that we think is teaching the truth of the Gospel, that person may actually be more "in tune" with the spirit than we are.

Let's consider Paul and Barnabas in the story in Galatians 2. Barnabas probably thought he was being led by the spirit when he was following Peter. But he was actually being led into hypocrisy.
It turns out it was actually Paul, who openly opposed Peter, that was more in tune with the spirit.

 

[He is the way]

How do LDS decide which commandments are for the house of Israel and which are for everyone?

The higher law was given by Jesus Christ when He gave us the sermon on the mount. We are now subject to those laws.

 

[He is the way]

Thank you for the nice response. The question is, does Woodruff's guarantee apply to Peter?

It applies to latter day prophets.

 

[Leaf473]

Thank you for your questions and conversations. I believe that Peter's going to the gentiles was explained in Acts chapters 10 & 11. That being said we are all God's children although some have turned away and unfortunately some have rejected Him completely.

I agree that in Acts 10 and 11, Peter goes to the gentiles.

Here, however, he withdraws from the Gentiles and does not walk according to the truth of the Gospel
12 For before some people came from James, he ate with the Gentiles. But when they came, he drew back and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision.

 

[He is the way]

I agree with being led by the spirit.

I think it's good to allow, though, that if a person stops following the leader that we think is teaching the truth of the Gospel, that person may actually be more "in tune" with the spirit than we are.

Let's consider Paul and Barnabas in the story in Galatians 2. Barnabas probably thought he was being led by the spirit when he was following Peter. But he was actually being led into hypocrisy.
It turns out it was actually Paul, who openly opposed Peter, that was more in tune with the spirit.

I believe they were both following the Holy Spirit and the confrontation was a misunderstanding. See Acts chapters 10 and 11.

 

[He is the way]

I agree that in Acts 10 and 11, Peter goes to the gentiles.

Here, however, he withdraws from the Gentiles and does not walk according to the truth of the Gospel
12 For before some people came from James, he ate with the Gentiles. But when they came, he drew back and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision.

Jesus also distanced himself from those who were not Jews:

(New Testament | Matthew 15:22 - 28)

22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

That being said Peter was sent to the gentiles. I don't think that Peter feared the Jews because of it. He may not have fully explained that Jesus Christ was the only way to salvation.

 

[BigDaddy4]

You are the one who wants to bring about doubt. I on the other hand believe the Bible to be mostly true.

I am merely exposing your doubt, as you admit here when you say the Bible is "mostly true". Your whole religion is built on doubt. You believe the lies of your false prophet who had to use a disclaimer for the Bible "as far as it is translated correctly" in order to justify his "translation corrections" in the JST. Oddly, you do not have that disclaimer for a non-existent transcript supposedly written in a non-existent language of "reformed Egyptian". You believe his lies about a "great apostasy" despite evidence to the contrary in order to justify his "restoration".

 

[He is the way]

I am merely exposing your doubt, as you admit here when you say the Bible is "mostly true". Your whole religion is built on doubt. You believe the lies of your false prophet who had to use a disclaimer for the Bible "as far as it is translated correctly" in order to justify his "translation corrections" in the JST. Oddly, you do not have that disclaimer for a non-existent transcript supposedly written in a non-existent language of "reformed Egyptian". You believe his lies about a "great apostasy" despite evidence to the contrary in order to justify his "restoration".

The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints is NOT based on doubt. We know the commandments that were given to us by Jesus Christ. That being said there are mistakes and contradictions in the Bible. That is a proven fact. And we do have that disclaimer for the Book of Mormon:

(Book of Mormon | Preface Title Page:2)

And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment–seat of Christ.

Books written by men do have mistakes. If you do not believe the apostasy happened then all protestant religions must be false because they are break offs from the Catholic church. Besides there was an apostasy:

(New Testament | Acts 20:28 - 31)

28 ¶ Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

 

[Leaf473]

The president of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints has not and will not go against the commandments of LOVE which are the greatest commandments. Those commandments encompass the attributes of God. They include these attributes; honesty, charity, love, work, virtue, humility, obedience, benevolence, kindness, thankfulness, etc.

My impression from your response is that the LDS president does say which commandments get a lot of airtime in which get little or none.

I don't know what role Peter plays in LDS thought compared to the president, but he went against the commandments of love. Barnabas was led astray by his actions. Unless Peter remained silent at this time, Barnabas was led astray by his words as well.

 

[Leaf473]

The higher law was given by Jesus Christ when He gave us the sermon on the mount. We are now subject to those laws.

Do you mean that we no longer follow the law of Moses, but instead we follow the laws contained in The sermon on the Mount?

 

[Leaf473]

It applies to latter day prophets.

Well, it sounds like, then, that in LDS thinking, New testament apostles like Peter or Paul, or any of the others, I assume, could lead us astray.

But starting with Joseph and moving forward, the LDS president could not lead us astray.

Well, that's a very interesting approach, imo.

 

[Leaf473]

I believe they were both following the Holy Spirit and the confrontation was a misunderstanding. See Acts chapters 10 and 11.

Yes, Acts 10 and 11 is great! It talks about how Peter went to a gentile house and the holy Spirit fell on the people there. This opened up the minds of the Jewish Christians of the time to the idea that Gentiles could become Christians without first converting to Judaism.

In your view, what is the misunderstanding and who is it between?

 

[Leaf473]

Jesus also distanced himself from those who were not Jews:

(New Testament | Matthew 15:22 - 28)

22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

That being said Peter was sent to the gentiles. I don't think that Peter feared the Jews because of it. He may not have fully explained that Jesus Christ was the only way to salvation.

I agree that Jesus was sent only to the Lost House of Israel.

Peter, however, had been eating with the gentiles. Then he stopped.