Halloween and "cultural appropriation".

[muichimotsu]

They turned against her when they found out she was actually white. It turned out that you gotta be black to be a leader of a black organization. Being white is apparently a disqualification.
It's a pity I had to explain all this to you.

Yeah, it's a disqualification in the same way you can't be a part of any organization that has constraints regarding membership, but it doesn't mean you can't support them nonetheless.

 

[Triumvirate]

The red herring defense, methinks?

That *would* be a bit sneaky, wouldn't it.

 

[muichimotsu]

Finding ways to become offended won't go away as long as certain communities keep inventing and passing along their hatred of white people, teaching their children that white people are their enemy.

Who says they hate white people? You? How do you know this? Sure you aren't generalizing based on your own perceived sense of superiority in a society that I can demonstrate pretty easily favors white people over black people, giving the former the benefit of the doubt in situations they would almost never give black people.

 

[Triumvirate]

Yeah, it's a disqualification in the same way you can't be a part of any organization that has constraints regarding membership, but it doesn't mean you can't support them nonetheless.

Yeah, the problem is...the lying, more than anything. Not sure what it's got to do with gender, suspect someone is good at reading words but not so good at understanding the concepts.

Really not sure how that was supposed to be some kind of gotcha on this at all

 

[muichimotsu]

You seem offended by just about everything I write. Now, why is that? Sensitive much?

Because I think you could do better if you had remote humility instead of, ironically, finding any excuse to deflect responsibility from yourself and consider that society may not be as great as you want to think it is because you're not significantly inconvenienced in any way that black people or other people of color are. One word: privilege, 2 if we want to frame it more precisely as societal privilege

 

[muichimotsu]

Yeah, the problem is...the lying, more than anything. Not sure what it's got to do with gender, suspect someone is good at reading words but not so good at understanding the concepts.

Really not sure how that was supposed to be some kind of gotcha on this at all

Same way people try to make being gay something that people just choose so it can be rendered as different from race, dishonestly ignoring the basic facts and even scientific research that suggests that, while sexuality is not the same as phenotypal traits for race, it doesn't appear to be nearly as mutable as, say, your sense of fashion or taste in food.

 

[muichimotsu]

Again saying a whole lot to say nothing... because what you're trying to explain can't be defined, because it can't be proven to exist.

Only if you just dismiss it out of hand because you don't want to consider that the world is anything bad beyond the problems that affect you or your in group.And choose your words more accurately, we don't prove concepts, we demonstrate and substantiate them, proof is for math

You don't get to act like an expert and say something is impossible without actually...you know...demonstrating that it is. Merely asserting it without substance is a knee jerk paleocon reaction that's, frankly, pitiable in being out of touch with reality and reinforcing the antiquated status quo conformity that only benefited one group over others.

We're trying to move past to be a better country, yet we can't because of those who refuse to have any intellectual humility and prefer to consider themselves right because they believe it, irrespective to facts

 

[renniks]

No, it is a race in terms of what it can mean, it's polysemous. No one is saying they're black in the chromatic sense, they're saying black as in synonymous with that racial group that covers not just Africans but other dark skinned ethnic groups

Lol.. more meaningless gooblygook. Seriously, none of this works in the real world.

 

[renniks]

You don't get to act like an expert and say something is impossible without actually...you know...demonstrating that it is.

Actually I do if it's unproven. The burden is on you to prove that it does exist. Ironic that you haven't demonstrated what you want me to disprove

 

[Strathos]

You not wanting to address the content of what I say and just dismiss it is more indicative of you saying effectively nothing in brief snippets like you do

No, symbols are not relativistic, their historical usage is undeniable, especially in the intent. And trying to make something that was not just used once, but twice to marginalized black people as something else when it was clear in the political intent that the flag was used in its modern revival as a symbol of white supremacy is patently idiotic and historical negationism.

People still try to deny the Confederacy was even founded on white supremacy at all, it's no wonder people will ignorantly insist the flag can mean whatever it wants even though it has a distinct history that is connected to white supremacy.

What about the swastika? In Asian countries it's used as a religious symbol of peace and wellbeing. Are you going to tell Hindus and Buddhists that using it really means that they're Nazis?

 

[Triumvirate]

What about the swastika? In Asian countries it's used as a religious symbol of peace and wellbeing. Are you going to tell Hindus and Buddhists that using it really means that they're Nazis?

What of it, and how is this relevant?

The Confederate flag is still being displayed in the same states that initially used it. Not really comparable to the example you raised, where a symbol is being used in a totally different context.

 

[muichimotsu]

Lol.. more meaningless gooblygook. Seriously, none of this works in the real world.

The dismissive tone isn't helping a discussion, show how it doesn't work instead of just asserting the contrary

 

[Triumvirate]

Again saying a whole lot to say nothing... because what you're trying to explain can't be defined, because it can't be proven to exist.

Ignoring posts presented to you so you can go "nuh uh" doesn't mean it's been proved to not exist

It just means you're being wilfully ignorant and intellectually dishonest.

 

[muichimotsu]

Actually I do if it's unproven. The burden is on you to prove that it does exist. Ironic that you haven't demonstrated what you want me to disprove

The burden is on both of us when you say it's impossible rather than not being convinced.

Do you not accept that race is essentially a description of physical characteristics? It's a social convention, this isn't something purely based on genetics, that's the kind of racism that was encouraged by eugenicists and the like to suggest black people were inferior somehow and white people were "more evolved" (a misunderstanding of evolution to boot)

 

[muichimotsu]

What about the swastika? In Asian countries it's used as a religious symbol of peace and wellbeing. Are you going to tell Hindus and Buddhists that using it really means that they're Nazis?

They don't call it a swastika, at least not exclusively, but it also has a very distinct cultural context and there are meanings to the right and left facing ones in Hindu, because the term originates in Sanskrit.

No one says that remotely and to suggest that a kneejerk reaction with historical ignorance is valid is only shooting yourself in the foot to try and suggest the Confederate flag is remotely comparable to the swastika, when the swastika long predated the 3rd Reich in Germany and was repurposed for repugnant ideas with the occult bizarre Aryan mentality Hitler had.

The Confederate battle flag was capitalized on by white supremacists in the 60s to suggest they were about state rights instead of being honest and saying they didn't like the federal government pointing out that they were being discriminatory and racist to black people and resisting integration based on the idea that they can do whatever they want because the constitution "protects" states' rights if it's not made explicit as a government power

 

[Triumvirate]

No idea why anyone would want to tote that flag anyway. It's the flag of a bunch of absolute losers, lol

 

[renniks]

Do you not accept that race is essentially a description of physical characteristics?

Race does not exist IMO... we are all one race. That's why racism is stupid. That's why it should never be black lives matter or white lives or green lives but all lives.

 

[renniks]

The Confederate battle flag was capitalized on by white supremacists in the 60s to suggest they were about state rights instead of being honest and saying they didn't like the federal government pointing out that they were being discriminatory and racist to black people and resisting integration based on the idea that they can do whatever they want because the constitution "protects" states' rights if it's not made explicit as a government power

Umm..so? That's not it's meaning to many people. You don't get to decide what it means to them.

 

[Neeky Reid]

Why are Christians even dressing up for Halloween anyway? Let's start there.

 

[Triumvirate]

Why are Christians even dressing up for Halloween anyway? Let's start there.

That's not the issue tho! The issue is owning the libs, which is more important