Do Aliens Exist?

[jamesbond007]

Aliens don't exist. If they did, then we would've found them by now due to Fermi Paradox. I think in his scenario, they would have to live relatively close to our Milky Way or in it. Even with locality, there are many planets where they could live, but we haven't found them or they found us. The rest we won't know about because we can't reach them or they reach us even if we/they can travel at the speed of light. Thus, they don't exist.

There are other factors, too, like the fine tuning facts as we find Earth is a pretty special place to live. The fine tuning facts were discovered by Stephen Hawking and a group of scientists who believe in scientific atheism while studying how and what the Big Bang did. Afterward, they disavowed any knowledge of it and we can't find their discovery on the internet today. It mainly helps their opposition -- the creation scientists.

 

[Shemjaza]

Aliens don't exist. If they did, then we would've found them by now due to Fermi Paradox. I think in his scenario, they would have to live relatively close to our Milky Way or in it. Even with locality, there are many planets where they could live, but we haven't found them or they found us. The rest we won't know about because we can't reach them or they reach us even if we/they can travel at the speed of light. Thus, they don't exist.

There are other factors, too, like the fine tuning facts as we find Earth is a pretty special place to live. The fine tuning facts were discovered by Stephen Hawking and a group of scientists who believe in scientific atheism while studying how and what the Big Bang did. Afterward, they disavowed any knowledge of it and we can't find their discovery on the internet today. It mainly helps their opposition -- the creation scientists.

Doesn't seem justified at all.

How are we supposed to find aliens?

A empire of 10000 star systems that has existed for 10000 years would be completely undetectable on just the other side of the milky way.

And there are billions of galaxies with billions of stars across billions of light years.

(I'll use my example again: There are no kangaroos in Australia because no matter how much I search my house, I can't find any.)

 

[AV1611VET]

A empire of 10000 star systems that has existed for 10000 years would be completely undetectable on just the other side of the milky way.

At the universal level, science is limited in what it can find.

 

[Shemjaza]

At the universal level, science is limited in what it can find.

I agree.

 

[jamesbond007]

I'll use my example again: There are no kangaroos in Australia because no matter how much I search my house, I can't find any.

I was using Fermi Paradox as one theory as enough time has passed for us to make contact. There are other theories of searching for aliens.

Instead of kangaroos, why don't you try looking for intelligent beings? They can contact you or you can contact them on the internet for example.

ETA: Or are you looking for any type of alien life? Fine tuning is so harsh that they're probably underground if they do exist. Look for places where we think we can colonize due to water. Oh, there's no water like here on Earth, so look for big ice.

 

[Shemjaza]

I was using Fermi Paradox as one theory as enough time has passed for us to make contact. There are other theories of searching for aliens.

Instead of kangaroos, why don't you try looking for intelligent beings? They can contact you or you can contact them on the internet for example.

ETA: Or are you looking for any type of alien life? Fine tuning is so harsh that they're probably underground if they do exist. Look for places where we think we can colonize due to water. Oh, there's no water like here on Earth, so look for big ice.

Fermi paradox only functions if you think there is sufficient justification for the development of alien life we could detect in some way.

What we can definitively assert that civilisations that engulf stars with Dyson swarms and fill their entire galaxies don't appear to happen in the ancient universe.

The universe is just too big for us to easily detect anything else.

 

[Ophiolite]

At the universal level, science is limited in what it can find.

Not really. At the universal level we found the universe. Just got out of bed one morning, stumbled past the empty whisky bottles, and there it was; a whole universe, complete with CMB.

 

[AV1611VET]

Just got out of bed one morning, stumbled past the empty whisky bottles, and there it was; a whole universe, complete with CMB.

Then you pulled the handle and watched the Coriolis effect take it away ... right?

 

[The Transcendentian]

Science is not all about you. Scientists don't know or care about you, Dan, or what you believe To suppose that the goal of science is to deny what you believe is the height of arrogance.

Yes, the goal of science is not to deny what anyone believes, but the goals of many scientists are definitely to deny what all Christians believe, even though those particular scientists will often go to great lengths to deny that is one of their goals.

 

[Shemjaza]

Yes, the goal of science is not to deny what anyone believes, but the goals of many scientists are definitely to deny what all Christians believe, even though those particular scientists will often go to great lengths to deny that is one of their goals.

Big claim. Is there any evidence for it?

There's a whole lot of time and effort that goes into becoming a scientist. I'm sure there are cheaper, less study intensive careers to go into if all you want to do is discredit Christianity.

 

[Speedwell]

Yes, the goal of science is not to deny what anyone believes, but the goals of many scientists are definitely to deny what all Christians believe, even though those particular scientists will often go to great lengths to deny that is one of their goals.

Can you give an example of something that all Christians believe which there are many scientists trying to deny?
In this case not all Christians believe that life on other planets is a priori impossible on account of what the Bible says.

 

[Dan1988]

What you believe about life on other planets has nothing to do with Christ and His Gospel and is not in any way an essential part of the Christian faith.

But it has everything to do with Christ, He created everything that exists so everything has to do with Him.

 

[Dan1988]

Science is not all about you. Scientists don't know or care about you, Dan, or what you believe To suppose that the goal of science is to deny what you believe is the height of arrogance.

I have nothing to do with pseudo science, but I have everything to do with the One who created real science.

See, scientists are angry because the One who created science refuses to reveal what they really want to know. These fallen scientists have been laboring around the clock, 7 days a week and 365 days of the year for the past 6000, trying to work out how Jesus ordered matter to behave.

The really sad part about the way these poor scientists operate is, they use the pathetic method of discovery known as "the process of elimination" where they pay poor low intellect folks to perform these mind numbing tasks. These poor guys have to mix millions of different elements together and record what happens when they do.

So I can see why they hate God, they invest their whole lives desperately trying to figure out the most simple elements behave the way they do and why they react as they do when combined with other elements. They haven't even gotten of first base yet, they're still in the dark ages so yeah.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

What we can definitively assert that civilisations that engulf stars with Dyson swarms and fill their entire galaxies don't appear to happen in the ancient universe.

I don't think you can be sure there are no Dyson swarms in our own galaxy, let alone the other billions out there. Similarly, we can be reasonably sure there's no galaxy-spanning civilization in our own galaxy, but other galaxies are too distant to know.

I have my doubts there has been time for a galaxy-spanning civilisation to develop, given that it takes several generations of stars to produce the abundance of heavier elements for life and technology to develop, and travel between stars takes a very long time and requires very advanced technology.

I think it's more likely that von Neumann probes from a single point of origin could have spanned a galaxy than a civilization per se.

 

[durangodawood]

...von Neumann probes....

I learned a new thing today!

 

[Speedwell]

But it has everything to do with Christ, He created everything that exists so everything has to do with Him.

True, but what has that to do with what you believe about life on other planets?

 

[Strathos]

If we find life somewhere other than earth, it's likely to be very simple; unicellular or small multicellular beings invisible to the naked eye.

 

[AV1611VET]

Can you give an example of something that all Christians believe which there are many scientists trying to deny?

Prayer.

IN THE BEGINNING, GOD ...

The existence of sin.

Children in the womb.

Verbal plenary inspiration.

The Resurrection.

A worldwide flood.

Et ad nauseum cetera.

 

[Speedwell]

Prayer.

IN THE BEGINNING, GOD ...

The existence of sin.

Children in the womb.

Verbal plenary inspiration.

The Resurrection.

A worldwide flood.

Et ad nauseum cetera.

ALL Christians, AV.

 

[AV1611VET]

ALL Christians, AV.

Fine -- 100% of Christians ever born, alive today, and will be Christians tomorrow believe IN THE BEGINNING, GOD.