What do you think about speaking in tongues?

[Jesus is YHWH]

(Guffaw). Um...naturally? When the sole purpose of an encounter is to deliver a message, it only makes sense to deliver it in the native language. Whereas the gift of tongues is multi-functional (see Saint Stephen's posts on this thread). I too, early on this thread, commented on multi-functionality.

there is no language of angels its made up

 

[Albion]

If angels are devoid of a physical faculty somewhat akin/analagous to vocal cords, how did they speak to men face to face? Magically?

The issue concerned the claim of there being an "angelic language," and of babbling BEING that language.

It was not about how angels have manifested themselves to men at times (which I think all of us agree to) and then were understood by humans.

 

[JAL]

The issue concerned the claim of there being an "angelic language," and of babbling BEING that language.

It was not about how angels have manifested themselves to men at times (which I think all of us agree to) and then were understood by humans.

You're just not getting it. I am insisting upon a corrective to your words. Angels aren't 'spirits' who MANIFEST themselves as physical - they ARE physical. The English translation 'spirit' is an exegetically unjustifiable Platonic term. I demonstrated this fact for an entire thread (link was already provided).

 

[JAL]

there is no language of angels its made up

Let me get this straight. You acknowledge that angels have conversations both with each other and with God - but no language is involved? Care to clarify please?

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Let me get this straight. You acknowledge that angels have conversations both with each other and with God - but no language is involved? Care to clarify please?

there is nothing in scripture where we see angels speak in any language that is not understood.

 

[JAL]

there is nothing in scripture where we see angels speak in any language that is not understood.

And?

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

And?

there is no "angelic" language that is unknown or as in charismatic circles seen as gibberish.

 

[JAL]

there is no "angelic" language that is unknown or as in charismatic circles seen as gibberish.

Non-sequitur. I am trying to connect the dots, but the reality is that nothing you've said so far necessitates that conclusion. What IS clear is that the gift of tongues is always in a language that humans cannot understand (such as an angelic language), hence the need for God to endue a speaker with the gift of interpretation.

You've merely expressed your own bias instead of expounding Paul's words.

 

[Albion]

Non-sequitur. I am trying to connect the dots, but the reality is that nothing you've said so far necessitates that conclusion. What IS clear is that the gift of tongues is always in a language that humans cannot understand (such as an angelic language), hence the need for God to endue a speaker with the gift of interpretation.

You've merely expressed your own bias instead of expounding Paul's words.

Peter spoke in words that were understood. And angels do not have a language. That's not a personal bias.

 

[JAL]

Peter spoke in words that were understood. And angels do not have a language. That's not a personal bias.

Angels intercommunicate without a language of their own? Oxymoronic. I suppose you could argue that they only know human languages but, in that case, one wonders how they conversed prior to our creation.

 

[Albion]

Angels intercommunicate without a language of their own?

They're spirits; they don't have physical bodies! And there is nothing in Scripture that suggests otherwise.

I suppose you could argue that they only know human languages but, in that case, one wonders how they conversed prior to our creation.

The bigger point is that tongues or gibberish, whichever one wants to think it amounts to, is NOT angelic language spoken by Pentecostal Christians. That's all.

 

[JAL]

They're spirits; they don't have physical bodies! And there is nothing in Scripture that suggests otherwise.

Baloney. EVERYTHING in Scripture indicates otherwise, as demonstrated on my thread.

The bigger point is that tongues or gibberish, whichever one wants to think it amounts to, is NOT angelic language spoken by Pentecostal Christians. That's all.

Thanks for sharing your personal bias. Noted.

 

[Albion]

Baloney. EVERYTHING in Scripture indicates otherwise, as demonstrated on my thread.

In fact, there is nothing in Scripture which indicates that any human who was or is speaking in tongues is speaking an angelic language.

 

[JAL]

In fact, there is nothing in Scripture which indicates that any human who was or is speaking in tongues is speaking an angelic language.

Moot point. What's pretty clear is that its not a human language. Doesn't leave a ton of options here. Maybe it's a language internal to the Godhead. But it could very well be angelic and you have no proof otherwise.

 

[Saint Steven]

As we have discussed before Steven, warfare tongues are directly aimed at rebuking the enemy and as such they are utterly different in both nature and intent to those used in intercessory prayer directed towards the Lord.
In my view warfare tongues are a category of their own and cannot fit in any of your sections.

I have seen remarkable results when using warfare tongues directly aimed at demonic strongholds. Those tongues are weapons of war against an enemy, not cries of intercession towards the Lord.

Well... when you put it that way... I have to agree. - lol
I'll include the praise language idea as well. @tturt

Seven Different Kinds of Tongues
1) Personal prayer language - Speaking to/with God
2) Intercessory prayer language - Praying for others in the Spirit
3) Warfare language - Tongues directly aimed at demonic strongholds
4) Prophetic language - Addressing the whole church/preferably with interpretation
5) Praise language - Magnifying the Lord in worship tongues
6) Singing in the Spirit - Singing in tongues/worship activity
7) Evangelistic language - Speaking the message of God to a people in their own language (not yours)

 

[Albion]

Moot point. What's pretty clear is that its not a human language.

Of course, it's not. It's gibberish. But it cannot be angelic language, and yet that is what charismatics with whom I've spoken seem always to fall back on after all the other theories about what is claimed by them as true tongues have fallen flat.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

It's gibberish.

You have people who speak in tongues for hours each day and you think it's gibberish? Whatever it is it certainly isn't gibberish, people don't speak in gibberish for hours each day.

 

[Albion]

You have people who speak in tongues for hours each day and you think it's gibberish?

I think it's not a real language, not a known human one or an angelic one (which would be impossible). I don't doubt that the people whom you are referring to are in prayer, are edified by it, or that God hears them. It's just not one of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit as described in Corinthians and as were common in the early church.

l Whatever it is it certainly isn't gibberish, people don't speak in gibberish for hours each day.

I disagree. If these people THINK that they are speaking some actual language, I have no doubt that they can continue on for hours. And I know that some of them consider these to be "ecstatic tongues," meaning that they are not real languages but some sort of special prayer.

 

[Guojing]

Let's try this again. Paul wrote:

"Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?"

A leg can never be an eye? Yet here's what Paul commanded:

"For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say." (14:13)

Clearly, in Paul's view, a leg CAN be an eye (and we already knew that, because Paul and the other apostles exhibited multiple gifts). You've missed Paul's point, therefore. His point is that in the context of a proper assembly, the Spirit will not have one lone Christian monopolizing all the gifts.

I was addressing the other guy's analogy about a leg being able to walk, stomp etc.

 

[Guojing]

And wherever we see an angel in scripture they speak the language of the person they are talking with every time, not some unknown language of an angel.

If you are a fan of Charmed, those who believe in "unknown tongues" probably imagine angels talking like the white lighters here