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John 14 says that Jesus "is the Way the Truth and the Life" - knowing the "Truth" is not a bad thing. One does not have to have infinite knowledge first - in order to get even one detail right.



That is not a quote from me... you are quoting "you" and asking my why I would believe what you just said. .. why do that?

Well, what I said is valid as you seem to be preaching your own perspective at the disagreement of others, correct?

I agree one does not need to be all knowing to have a relationship with Jesus, however, to profess you are right and other are wrong who also have a relationship with Jesus is not the best way. As you have said, "I'm done..." so I assume you profess the Truth. What then is Truth?
 
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The reformers "were Catholics". They found that when they compared the doctrines and practices of their church with the Bible that there was a problem. The Bible refuted some of the traditions of the Jews according to Christ in Mark 7:6-13. Everyone agrees.

The Bible also did not support some of the teachings of the Catholic church in the dark ages according to the Catholic reformers that were finding those problems with their own church.

We don't choose to side with the reformers in those cases "because they are prior friends of ours" rather they are all dead now. We take their position on some of those things because we too can see that the Bible does not support a few of the things that were being taught then.

Acts 17:11. "they studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken by the Apostle Paul - were so".

Sure, so why is my perspective wrong again according to the scriptures?
 
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Show me where God commands Christians to rest on the seventh day.

"the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God"
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. Ex 20:10-11

Lev 23
2 ...‘The Lord’s appointed times which you shall proclaim as holy convocations—My appointed times are these: 3 ‘For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a Sabbath of complete rest, a holy convocation. You shall not do any work; it is a sabbath to the Lord in all your dwellings.

"from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23,,, in the new Earth. So then that is for all eternity after the cross
 
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Sure, so why is my perspective wrong again according to the scriptures?

If something you post is or is not inline with scripture - I usually point to the very scripture that pertains to the point.

I never post of the form "everything you post is not correct and I am sure there must be a scripture someplace that would show that"
 
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why do you believe you are done learning from other perspectives.

That is not a quote from me... you are quoting "you" and asking my why I would believe what you just said. .. why do that?

Well, what I said is valid as you seem to be preaching your own perspective ?

I always post the scripture that I find to be applicable to the point raised. If someone can show that this is not the case - they have the freedom to look at the scripture and respond.
 
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As you have said, "I'm done..." so I assume you profess the Truth. What then is Truth?

John 17:17 says God's Word is Truth.

I never posted "I'm done"... I assume we both agree on that.
 
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If something you post is or is not inline with scripture - I usually point to the very scripture that pertains to the point.

I never post of the form "everything you post is not correct and I am sure there must be a scripture someplace that would show that"

@HIM,

I believe you may have missed this from my posts.

So why am I wrong?
 
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"Again you have heard it was said to those of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.' But I say to you, do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, or by the earth, for it is His footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. Let what you say simply be 'yes' or 'no'; anything more than this comes from evil." - Matthew 5:33-37

Avoid swearing by the name of God altogether.

-CryptoLutheran

nice.

But that is not a quote of "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7.

If you want a direct quote of a commandment - you can find it for the Sabbath commandment in Acts and in Rev 14:7 -- but there is no direct quote from Ex 20:7 in the NT.

Which is fine - because there is also no rule in the Bible that says "whatever is not repeated must be deleted"
 
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It is clear that Lev 23:2-3 makes the Sabbath "a day of holy convocation" and not idleness
I think it is a question of balance.
Exod 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exod 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

I know of many that get no rest during the Sabbath fretting over the service. It is acceptable work but most take it to a point to which it becomes a burden. Balance....The laity have a huge part to play also. They could due their part and those who lead out would be less burdened.
 
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So why am I wrong?

You just referenced a post of yours that I never responded to - it was not to me. What specific point did you make that you would like me to respond to as being inline with scripture ... or not.
 
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You just referenced a post of yours that I never responded to - it was not to me. What specific point did you make that you would like me to respond to as being inline with scripture ... or not.

The fact that I said I "largely agree" with what the author of the OP wrote along with me NOT disagreeing with a day of rest.

You then point out to say that Christ is not the true sabbath, but my point in saying Christ is the true sabbath is in saying we "rest in Him" not at the exclusion of taking a day of rest in the week.
 
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@BobRyan,

Perhaps you can see what my Pastor has to say about the Sabbath. My pastor just finished last Sunday a teaching on the Ten Commandments. If you want to just listen to one of the sermons, probably choosing one for the topic at hand on the sabbath which you can find in the first column of the second row on this webpage: Ten Words and the Gospel | Cornerstone Church Saint Paul
 
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@BobRyan,

Perhaps you can see what my Pastor has to say about the Sabbath. My pastor just finished last Sunday a teaching on the Ten Commandments. If you want to just listen to one of the sermons, probably choosing one for the topic at hand on the sabbath which you can find in the first column of the second row on this webpage: Ten Words and the Gospel | Cornerstone Church Saint Paul

I love my pastor, but if he ever taught me anything different than what God has written with His own finger, the only scripture in the entire Bible written by God (10 Commandments) than I would find a new pastor. Thankfully, my pastor is a firm believer in God's Holy commandments. He also runs AmazingFacts.com ministries and the main author of SabbathTruth.com. You might be interested in checking out some of these websites. God Bless.
 
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I love my pastor, but if he ever taught me anything different than what God has written with His own finger, the only scripture in the entire Bible written by God (10 Commandments) than I would find a new pastor. Thankfully, my pastor is a firm believer in God's Holy commandments. He also runs AmazingFacts.com ministries and the main author of SabbathTruth.com. You might be interested in checking out some of these websites. God Bless.

Indeed. I hope this is not a criticism of my pastor as I agree with you.
 
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I love my pastor, but if he ever taught me anything different than what God has written with His own finger, the only scripture in the entire Bible written by God (10 Commandments) than I would find a new pastor. Thankfully, my pastor is a firm believer in God's Holy commandments. He also runs AmazingFacts.com ministries and the main author of SabbathTruth.com. You might be interested in checking out some of these websites. God Bless.
Hi imge
Doug is a nice fellow. I met him in Pa. two years ago.
 
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Indeed. I hope this is not a criticism of my pastor as I agree with you.
Just you motioned he preached last Sunday, which is different than God's 4th commandment.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I am a Sabbath keeper and while there is nothing wrong with going to church on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or any other day of the week, its not the day God Blessed, Sanctified, or made Holy. God asked us to keep a specific day so if its important to Him, its important to me. It would be like celebrating your birthday on the 25th, when your birthday is on the 24th. While its a nice thought, its not the same as celebrating your birthday on your birthday. God Bless.
 
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Hi imge
Doug is a nice fellow. I met him in Pa. two years ago.
I am so fortune to be able to see and listen to him every week. I'm moving soon, so seriously bummed about having to find a new church. I am grateful he is online, but its not the same. I find him to be more of teacher than a preacher. He talks to you, not at you. He's a very smart man and I get a lot of blessings from his sermons.
 
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Just you motioned he preached last Sunday, which is different than God's 4th commandment.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I am a Sabbath keeper and while there is nothing wrong with going to church on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or any other day of the week, its not the day God Blessed, Sanctified, or made Holy. God asked us to keep a specific day so if its important to Him, its important to me. It would be like celebrating your birthday on the 25th, when your birthday is on the 24th. While its a nice thought, its not the same as celebrating your birthday on your birthday. God Bless.

We differ here as I would consider that a matter of legalism.
 
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We differ here as I would consider that a matter of legalism.
I don't feel that way. Do you feel keeping all the commandments is legalism or just the 4th commandment- Sabbath day?
 
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I don't feel that way. Do you feel keeping all the commandments is legalism or just the 4th commandment- Sabbath day?

I think if you want to be perfect, you will keep all the levitical laws and not just the 10 commandments. Every sermon on the 10 commandments my pastor ended with a moment of reflection on how we have broken the commandments God has given us. This is certainly a good practice to reflect in repentance on how we have broken God's laws, don't you agree? Which of us is perfect? Certainly no one for as it is said, "If you have broken one commandment, you have broken them all."

My pastor even had us reflect on how we have broken the 6th commandment in our hearts. This is how we ought know we need a savior: by reflecting on our imperfection and our reliance on Christ.
 
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