The Creation Museum

[Speedwell]

Yes, actually.

Chronology of the universe - Wikipedia

That's all very well, but how do we know that is what the author(s) of Genesis 1 were trying to describe?

 

[Albion]

Anybody who's visited it willing to talk to us about the museum?

That was the question, I believe.

 

[BobRyan]

When Genesis describes the the presence of light prior to the existence of sun and stars--do you think that reflects scientific reality?

Yes because infinite God would have "at least one other idea" for a source of light other than fusion reactions 93 million miles from Earth.

 

[Caliban]

That's all very well, but how do we know that is what the author(s) of Genesis 1 were trying to describe?

The authors of Genesis were trying to describe this:

One source from a Christian publication.

 

[Caliban]

Yes because infinite God would have "at least one other idea" for a source of light other than fusion reactions 93 million miles from Earth.

No, you have no evidence for that.

 

[BobRyan]

No, you have no evidence for that.

I have no evidence that an infinite God would have at least "one other idea" for a source of light other than fusion reactions 93 million miles from Earth??

Are you familiar with the concept of "infinite God"??

Its like saying "you have no evidence that water is wet"

 

[Caliban]

I have no evidence that an infinite God would have at least "one other idea" for a source of light other than fusion reactions 93 million miles from Earth??

Are you familiar with the concept of "infinite God"??

Its like saying "you have no evidence that water is wet"

Yes I am familiar with the CONCEPT of an infinite God. That is a human concept.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes I am familiar with the CONCEPT of an infinite God. That is a human concept.

What's His name?

 

[Caliban]

What's His name?

Which god? There are thousands of proposed gods throughout human history? On a Christian forum I'll take a shot that you mean Yahweh.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes I am familiar with the CONCEPT of an infinite God. That is a human concept.

Which god?

Right.

And I'm Genghis Khan.

 

[Caliban]

Right.

And I'm Genghis Khan.

You can't begin a discussion by assuming the very thing you are trying to prove.

 

[Strathos]

I'm not sure what that link to Wikipedia demonstrates, but clearly the Genesis account of creation completely gets the order of the development of the cosmos wrong.

That's all very well, but how do we know that is what the author(s) of Genesis 1 were trying to describe?

I was just pointing out that, according to science, there was light before the sun and stars existed.

 

[Caliban]

I was just pointing out that, according to science, there was light before the sun and stars existed.

That is not what Genesis describes.

 

[Strathos]

That is not what Genesis describes.

Genesis 1 is poetry and full of metaphor.

 

[Caliban]

Genesis 1 is poetry and full of metaphor.

Not quite...it includes poetry, metaphor, and historical narrative. The problem is with the texts use of historical narrative and that narrative's contradiction with observed science.

 

[BobRyan]

When Genesis describes the the presence of light prior to the existence of sun and stars--do you think that reflects scientific reality?

Yes because infinite God would have "at least one other idea" for a source of light other than fusion reactions 93 million miles from Earth.

No, you have no evidence for that.

I have no evidence that an infinite God would have at least "one other idea" for a source of light other than fusion reactions 93 million miles from Earth??

Are you familiar with the concept of "infinite God"??

Its like saying "you have no evidence that water is wet"

Yes I am familiar with the CONCEPT of an infinite God. That is a human concept.

You are assuming the salient point of your own argument - that is circular logic.

You started with the "Genesis" context asking me if my context for it allowed for light before the Sun - not an atheist context.

When Genesis describes the the presence of light prior to the existence of sun and stars--do you think that reflects scientific reality?

you are switching to a context not in the discussion you started

--- should we start with "what is my view of Genesis"??

Or did you mean to ask the question "Given Caliban's view of Genesis does Caliban think that light can exist without Earth's Sun?"

 

[Caliban]

I have no evidence that an infinite God would have at least "one other idea" for a source of light other than fusion reactions 93 million miles from Earth??

Are you familiar with the concept of "infinite God"??

Its like saying "you have no evidence that water is wet"

You have made an an ascertain--not provided evidence. I don't accept assertions without evidence.

You are assuming the salient point of your own argument - that is circular logic.

I have not used circular logic. Please show me exactly where I did that. If you understand circular reasoning this should be easy.

you are switching to a context not in the discussion you started

--- should we start with "what is my view of Genesis"??

Or did you mean to ask the question "Given Caliban's view of Genesis does Caliban think that light can exist without Earth's Sun?"

Of course we have different views. I will certainly express mine and I expect you to do the same. The difference is that I will provide actual evidence for my views upon request.

 

[AV1611VET]

The difference is that I will provide actual evidence for my views upon request.

Including ylem?

 

[Caliban]

Including ylem?

I don't know what that is.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I don't know what that is.

It's a name for the earliest 'stuff' produced by the big bang; presumably, the quark-gluon plasma that eventually condensed into particles.