Thoughts on Extreme forms of Christian music?

[Junia]

Do you know when the prophets of old spoke in the Spirit they did so in a manner that was "ecstatic"? I can see that in some of the music I listen to.

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WOW! Isn't that a beautiful concept! ChristiAnity is a joyful faith, so it shouldn't be surprising I guess. Thanks for mentioning this though. I love your passion for the Word

 

[Junia]

Do you consider all music spiritually neutral?

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Depends on the lyrics

 

[Junia]

Do you consider all music spiritually neutral?

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Depends on the lyrics. Are they Godly? Or do they endorse evil? Do they use curse words? do they dishonour God?

 

[George Antonios]

Some definitions are in order, I think.

Fair enough, but I'm pretty sure that "mounted by goats" doesn't classify as a pure thought.

 

[bèlla]

There are music forms I no longer listen to. Songs I can't stomach. I pay attention to the lyrics and the impact the message has on my spirit. Some songs kept inserting themselves into my head. I wasn't consciously thinking of them and I've gone down that rabbit hole to know the difference between that and invasive thoughts.

My recent posts have included both. The song and lyrics. But I don't listen to them. They cross my thoughts and I share them according to mood or theme. I think certain genres are more edifying for me than others. I encounter enough influences through my work and its spiritual trappings. I don't need to heap more on my plate.

Would I listen to those songs? No. The album imagery is reminiscent of tunes I combed Dark Lyrics to find. That's not my jam. I'm trying to pull people out of the muck and mire. Not climb in with them.

The Holy Spirit lays different things on our hearts. I don't like overt messages of filth or sin. I'll take an opera over a slasher film. I love the symphony, ballet and theater too. You can convey a message without bowling the viewer over or drawing from a cesspool.

On a practical level, I find messages like these are thrust on the populace. Gore and debauchery are noticeably absent elsewhere. I glean from that tree instead. But to each his own.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

 

[Junia]

Fair enough, but I'm pretty sure that "mounted by goats" doesn't classify as a pure thought.

I must admit I prefer the songs we sing in church such as Amazing Grace, No Longer Slaves, Everlasting God etc...pure gospel lyrics. But I do think it is a personal conviction. Wouldn't be comfortable with the goat mounting bit either but I always say if God has an issue of what we listen to He will speak to us about it.

Many pastors claim certain beats are evil or in the past (when Bach was alive) certain chord augmentation and discords. Men's teachings change, so don't rely on men's teachings but ask the heart of God

 

[Junia]

There are music forms I no longer listen to. Songs I can't stomach. I pay attention to the lyrics and the impact the message has on my spirit. Some songs kept inserting themselves into my head. I wasn't consciously thinking of them and I've gone down that rabbit hole to know the difference between that and invasive thoughts.

My recent posts have included both. The song and lyrics. But I don't listen to them. They cross my thoughts and I share them according to mood or theme. I think certain genres are more edifying for me than others. I encounter enough influences through my work and its spiritual trappings. I don't need to heap more on my plate.

Would I listen to those songs? No. The album imagery is reminiscent of tunes I combed Dark Lyrics to find. That's not my jam. I'm trying to pull people out of the muck and mire. Not climb in with them.

The Holy Spirit lays different things on our hearts. I don't like overt messages of filth or sin. I'll take an opera over a slasher film. I love the symphony, ballet and theater too. You can convey a message without bowling the viewer over or drawing from a cesspool.

On a practical level, I find messages like these are thrust on the populace. Gore and debauchery are noticeably absent elsewhere. I glean from that tree instead. But to each his own.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

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As an anxiety sufferer I do find a lot of heavy metal drains me and makes !e feel anxious. WhiteCross and Petra are fine but that is as heavy metal as I get!

I love music that uplifts my spirit. When I listen to a Bach cantata or Handel oratorio or Brahms beautiful and biblical Ein Deutsches Requiem for example, or Bethel's No Longer Slaves my heart is uplifted and edified... Philippians 4:8 wants us to focus on that which is helpful for us. Certain endorphins are triggered by good music that lifting mood. Christianity is after all, a joyful faith!

 

[All Becomes New]

Fair enough, but I'm pretty sure that "mounted by goats" doesn't classify as a pure thought.

Would you say this is "pure thought"?

"They shall bring up a crowd against you, land they shall stone you and cut you to pieces with their swords."

 

[Brightmoon]

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There are music forms I no longer listen to. Songs I can't stomach. I pay attention to the lyrics and the impact the message has on my spirit. Some songs kept inserting themselves into my head. I wasn't consciously thinking of them and I've gone down that rabbit hole to know the difference between that and invasive thoughts.

My recent posts have included both. The song and lyrics. But I don't listen to them. They cross my thoughts and I share them according to mood or theme. I think certain genres are more edifying for me than others. I encounter enough influences through my work and its spiritual trappings. I don't need to heap more on my plate.

Would I listen to those songs? No. The album imagery is reminiscent of tunes I combed Dark Lyrics to find. That's not my jam. I'm trying to pull people out of the muck and mire. Not climb in with them.

The Holy Spirit lays different things on our hearts. I don't like overt messages of filth or sin. I'll take an opera over a slasher film. I love the symphony, ballet and theater too. You can convey a message without bowling the viewer over or drawing from a cesspool.

On a practical level, I find messages like these are thrust on the populace. Gore and debauchery are noticeably absent elsewhere. I glean from that tree instead. But to each his own.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

. I will listen to and like some songs that aren’t “ nice” but I find that if I’m not in a good mood then I can’t listen to them . Misogynistic rap in particular (which I've never liked ) gets into my head in a way I hate . Part of it was because I had a misogynist for a father and part because I just don’t like the art form .
Sorry ,Hamilton ! Like opera in another language, I would probably like that one if I had the lyrics in front of me. But it’s just annoying word salad right now

 

[George Antonios]

Would you say this is "pure thought"?

"They shall bring up a crowd against you, land they shall stone you and cut you to pieces with their swords."

A dozen passages about the judgments of God in 31,102 verses, written in couth terms, is worlds away from a minutes-long song by men in explicit language constantly repeated and meditated.

 

[bèlla]

I will listen to and like some songs that aren’t “ nice” but I find that if I’m not in a good mood then I can’t listen to them.

Headspace is an important factor as you've noted. It feeds the wrong spirit.

Misogynistic rap in particular (which I've never liked ) gets into my head in a way I hate . Part of it was because I had a misogynist for a father and part because I just don’t like the art form.

I don't care for rap. Especially that sort for cause and effect. Most who fancy themselves as quasi rappers/fanboys would inevitably attempt to mimic their hero's behavior. Which means the requisite drama, name calling, womanizing, etc. If you keep hearing women are no good ho's you'll start believing it.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

 

[All Becomes New]

A dozen passages about the judgments of God in 31,102 verses, written in couth terms, is worlds away from a minutes-long song by men in explicit language constantly repeated and meditated.

I am not really sure where you get this "constantly repeated and meditated" from.

 

[Carl Emerson]

There are music forms I no longer listen to. Songs I can't stomach. I pay attention to the lyrics and the impact the message has on my spirit. Some songs kept inserting themselves into my head. I wasn't consciously thinking of them and I've gone down that rabbit hole to know the difference between that and invasive thoughts.

My recent posts have included both. The song and lyrics. But I don't listen to them. They cross my thoughts and I share them according to mood or theme. I think certain genres are more edifying for me than others. I encounter enough influences through my work and its spiritual trappings. I don't need to heap more on my plate.

Would I listen to those songs? No. The album imagery is reminiscent of tunes I combed Dark Lyrics to find. That's not my jam. I'm trying to pull people out of the muck and mire. Not climb in with them.

The Holy Spirit lays different things on our hearts. I don't like overt messages of filth or sin. I'll take an opera over a slasher film. I love the symphony, ballet and theater too. You can convey a message without bowling the viewer over or drawing from a cesspool.

On a practical level, I find messages like these are thrust on the populace. Gore and debauchery are noticeably absent elsewhere. I glean from that tree instead. But to each his own.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

Some Operas have debauched story lines and graphic scenes that hardly edify?

 

[bèlla]

Some Operas have debauched story lines and graphic scenes that hardly edify?

Opera eludes to situations. They tell life stories. You won't see gore or overt sexuality on the stage. Modern interpretations may include that. But the traditional form does not. They are family friendly productions.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

 

[Carl Emerson]

Would you say this is "pure thought"?

"They shall bring up a crowd against you, land they shall stone you and cut you to pieces with their swords."

There is a difference between that which graphically details God's hatred for sin, and that which graphically depicts sin. The latter is not edifying.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Opera eludes to situations. They tell life stories. You won't see gore or overt sexuality on the stage. Modern interpretations may include that. But the traditional form does not. They are family friendly productions.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

My daughter is a stage manager - that line is being crossed.

 

[All Becomes New]

There is a difference between that which graphically details God's hatred for sin, and that which graphically depicts sin. The latter is not edifying.

I'd argue what is in the song is exactly depicting God's hatred of sin. Is it extreme? Well, yes, that's kinda the point of the thread.

I would love for you to tell me I am not saved for my choice of genre that reflects Biblical principles so then we can talk about whose life has seen more sanctification.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Do you know when the prophets of old spoke in the Spirit they did so in a manner that was "ecstatic"? I can see that in some of the music I listen to.

Yeah, some is like that all the time, and some is like that based on timing and God speaking to me through a particular song for a limited period of time.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Here is an interesting biblical reference to the genre of music...


EX 32

15Then Moses turned and went down from the mountain with the two tablets of the testimony in his hand, tablets which were written on both sides; they were written on one side and the other.
16The tablets were God’s work, and the writing was God’s writing engraved on the tablets.
17Now when Joshua heard the sound of the people as they shouted, he said to Moses, “There is a sound of war in the camp.”

18But he said,
“It is not the sound of the cry of triumph,
Nor is it the sound of the cry of defeat;
But the sound of singing I hear.”

19It came about, as soon as Moses came near the camp, that he saw the calf and the dancing; and Moses’ anger burned, and he threw the tablets from his hands and shattered them at the foot of the mountain.

 

[All Becomes New]

Here is an interesting biblical reference to the genre of music...


EX 32

15Then Moses turned and went down from the mountain with the two tablets of the testimony in his hand, tablets which were written on both sides; they were written on one side and the other.
16The tablets were God’s work, and the writing was God’s writing engraved on the tablets.
17Now when Joshua heard the sound of the people as they shouted, he said to Moses, “There is a sound of war in the camp.”

18But he said,
“It is not the sound of the cry of triumph,
Nor is it the sound of the cry of defeat;
But the sound of singing I hear.”

19It came about, as soon as Moses came near the camp, that he saw the calf and the dancing; and Moses’ anger burned, and he threw the tablets from his hands and shattered them at the foot of the mountain.

How familiar are you with the Psalms?