Any scriptural evidence that evangelized Gentiles are to keep the Sabbath?

[eleos1954]

The millennium is absolutely the kingdom of God coming physically to the earth, and Jesus rules the nations with a rod of iron.

When Satan is loosed from the bottomless pit, he gathers armies to surround the city Jesus is ruling from.

Believers rule and reign with Jesus as kings on the earth:

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The 2nd death .... death after resurrection .... the saved only die once (earthly death) .... everybody gets resurrected ... the 2nd resurrection does not happen until after the 1,000 years.

All living at the time Jesus returns are destroyed and the 1,000 years is spent in heaven ... then the 2nd resurrection happens ...

1 Thessalonians 2

5Do you not remember that I told you these things while I was still with you? 6And you know what is now restraining him, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and annihilate by the majesty of His arrival.

No one can see God and live.

John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father's side, has made Him known.

Exodus 3:20

Berean Study Bible
But He added, “You cannot see My face, for no one can see Me and live.”

Jesus is returning in full glory and power.

when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power." 2 THESSALONIANS 1:7-9

I would encourage people to study this out for themselves.

 

[RickReads]

consider it strengthened then...
Not going in yourself...you now keep others from goin in?

Not at all, I think sabbath keeping could be pretty awesome as long as no one thinks they have to help Jesus save by observing it. I believe any day is a good day to celebrate Jesus.

If I found a church I wanted to be a part of and they kept sabbath I would not hesitate at all.

 

[clefty]

And God says WHY and to WHO, He first gave the command to keep the 7th day:

WHY? It is written IMMEDIATELY in the commandment itself...”for in six days Yah made the heavens and the earth”

you know...when man was created IN HIS IMAGE and to live AS HE DID...

and we would STILL be had it NOT been for this small detour of sin...BECAUSE someone else didn’t think He meant what He said...or that it was for them...lol the irony...

Adam’s first full day was a holiday...he was given a day of rest unearned...what Grace...before he needed it...before sin its curse of work by sweat of the brow

The sabbath day command was given only to Israel as a covenant sign and memorial of their being set free from slavery in Egypt.

and Israel at Sinai was ALREADY full of those NOT of Jacob who now were adopted into Israel and to inherit its Promise...including seventh day rest as the Sabbath commandment was the ONLY commandment INCLUSIVE of these “strangers within thy gate”...also ironic right?

God divorced Israel for spiritual adultery in Jeremiah 3:8, which ended their covenant with God

yup...Israel thought as you do now...”NOT FOR ME” or that it needed improvements lol

- and the Decalogue is called the COVENANT on two tables of stone - thus obviously when the old covenant ended, the ten commands ended.

so what Law does He put into His people Israel’s circumcised hearts and Christlike “inner Jew” minds?

By their fruits ye shall know them...His people, set apart made Holy...following Him...His Ways...

God allowed the Jewish temple to be destroyed because the mosaic covenant was no more, and ended the sabbaths:

that second temple was ALREADY without the Law written on stone as the Holy of Holies was empty...and yet...

ALREADY the Law was in the circumcised hearts and Christlike “inner Jew” minds of His people...those who ACCEPTED His Word becoming flesh...and His teaching that Sabbath was for man and NOT just for Jews...

Sabbath is like His Salvation given unearned to ALL who would receive it...WHOSOEVER believes...are the same “here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and have the faith OF Yahushua” and not just 9/10ths of them...what is the faith of Yahushua? Buddhist? Islam? Hindu? Catholic? Protestant?

“Copy me as I copy Christ” said Paul...JUST AS...and Living and LOVING JUST AS He did...you will fulfill the Law...and establish it for others to find Him...who created ALL this for Man...in six days...resting on the seventh and in the tomb...that we might also...do AS He did...”that where I am ye may be also”...restored to our Factory Default Settings...

 

[clefty]

Not at all, I think sabbath keeping could be pretty awesome as long as no one thinks they have to help Jesus save by observing it. I believe any day is a good day to celebrate Jesus.

any day is...but disciplining yourself to His Ways proves indeed to edify and grow from milk to meat...and beyond...

The Law is not an instructional manual as to how to earn salvation or help Yahushua save...but ONCE SAVED it is a OWNER”S MANUAL as to how to maintain and MAXIMIZE for your own pleasure what you have inherited...in this life and the next...AND TO OTHERS...

You do realize the Law is a description as to HOW His will live “where I am there ye may be also” and then “on earth as it is in Heaven”...”not MY will be done...but His Will be done...”

If I found a church I wanted to be a part of and they kept sabbath I would not hesitate at all.

This isn’t about you...us...or nice fun churches...but Him and following Him His Ways...bringing glory and worship to Him AS HE WISHES...and as He demonstrated and taught us we do...to represent Him...not our own inclinations

We are to go to ALL and teach them to observe MOST of what He commanded us to do? Do SOME of what He demonstrated by His life and teaching?

No one is saved keeping the Sabbath...but once saved BY. HIM...out of gratitude His do...at least try...to follow Him...be more LIKE Him...a death to ourselves ALIVE IN HIM...His ways...His times and Laws...

We do not keep the Sabbath it keeps us...closer to Him His ways...away from our former ways and the ways of the world...

Yeah it is pretty awesome...a weekly day OFF...

There’s more besides...

 

[helmut]

I always find it best if you bring the scripture to the post and point out the part of it that you are referring. It's just that all too often people dont see the same thing in scripture... actually that is an understatement.

Well, its the whole chapter and the whole letter I mentioned. In Roman 4 Paul explains in detail that Abraham was not saved by works, but by grace. One highlight is Verse 5

Rom 4:5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

But it is really the whole chapter, with the complete argumentation I referred to.

In Galatians, I can narrow down to 2:17-21; 3;1-14,21-22; 5,1-15.

The sentence you cited is just one, and says rather what you can easily find in many explanations and commentaries. If you need more details on the other points you didn't cite, ask for it.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Well, its the whole chapter and the whole letter I mentioned. In Roman 4 Paul explains in detail that Abraham was not saved by works, but by grace. One highlight is Verse 5

Rom 4:5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

But it is really the whole chapter, with the complete argumentation I referred to.

In Galatians, I can narrow down to 2:17-21; 3;1-14,21-22; 5,1-15.

The sentence you cited is just one, and says rather what you can easily find in many explanations and commentaries. If you need more details on the other points you didn't cite, ask for it.

Sure, we are all saved by grace, but act like the devil afterwards and we get what he devil gets...no salvation

 

[helmut]

The significance is this ...

I can't see any reference to a significance why the rest on the 7th day was not called very good. Can you please make your logic more transparent?

I asked a serious question: I don't know whether this is of any significance. But an "answer" which does not signify what I asked for is no answer to my question.

But I have some more questions and comments to what you wrote:

*Not entering His rest (7th day Sabbath) was/is considered disobedience.

I can't find this in the passage you quoted (for some reason unrelated to this thread, I studied it recently in some detail).

The crucial statement is: "They did not enter because of their unbelief" (Hb 3:19). Instead of trusting God and conquering the country, the people wept the whole night because they said the inhabitants were too strong to be fought against (see the OT passage the Psalm cited in Hebrews refers to). The disobedience was a result of unbelief.

Whenever I look in the Bible about a link of belief and Sabbath, all I find hints to a sort of contrast, not identity between them. Can you give any Biblical reference which makes it possible to interpret the passage in the way you did?

The context of the passage is the 7th day He created in Genesis (the day of rest He created for all of mankind).

But the rest mentioned in Hb 4:9 is another rest - is is not a Sabbath, but a sabbatismos. The difference between Sabbath and sabbatismos is not specified by language, so it is a matter of exegesis. The best explanation I know is: Spiritual, not physical rest. We are not expected to conquer the promised land and exterminate the Canaanites literally, nor are we required to undergo literal circumcision, but we have to conquer, kill (Col, 3:5!) and be circumcised spiritually. in analogy, we do not need to rest physically, but should enter into spiritual rest, Heb 4:10. Those who still labor in works (including obeying the Sabbath rest) have not yet entered into the rest of Hebrew 4:10.

Then Jesus declared, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

He said this when he did a work (a healing) on sabbath and was criticized for breaking the Sabbath rest. What does this tell us about the way we should enjoy the rest (sabbatismos) prepared for us by God?

 

[BobRyan]

Sure, we are all saved by grace, but act like the devil afterwards and we get what he devil gets...no salvation

says Christ in Matthew 18:32-35

says Paul in Rom 2:13 and Romans 11:20-23

Says Ezekiel in Ezek 18

Says Christ in John 15:1-11

 

[helmut]

Something went wrong, I better start all over again ...

 

[BobRyan]

The millennium is absolutely the kingdom of God coming physically to the earth, and Jesus rules the nations with a rod of iron.

Not according to 1 Thess 4:13-18 and Rev 20:5-6 where the dead in Christ rise first and those raised in that first resurrection are the saints... the event that begins the 1000 years... and 1 Thess 4 says this is when they are taken to heaven. As does Christ confirm this in John 14:1-3

 

[BobRyan]

The crucial question is: Is this about the commandments of Mose, or about the commandments of Jesus?

Jesus answers it in Mark 7:6-13

"Word of God" = "Moses Said" = "Commandment of God"

 

[BobRyan]

And the ten commands are no longer the commands of God, .

Not according to Christ in Matthew 19
Not according to Christ in Mark 7:6-13
Not according to Paul in Eph 6:1-2

 

[BobRyan]

What day the Sabbath is can be a dicey thing. I lived in Europe for 14 years while growing up. The Calendars, there, begin on Monday and end on Sunday.

Makes you wonder "how long that 20th century fluke has been going on".

 

[helmut]

How about the Torah? The list in ACTS is the minimum a Ger Toshav should keep, they are the Noahide Laws. They would learn Torah as they went...

Well, they are not the Noachite law. See Post #45. The Noachide laws are somewhat similar, especially if one adds the interpretation given later, e.g. the "blood" referring to murder instead of food. But the ways the Noachide and the Apostolic (Acts 15) commands are reached at are quite different.

The whole logic of the narrative (e.g. the arguments given by Peter) speak against an interpretation that the Torah should (later) be taught to them. The list is about the minimum believing Goyim should keep so that believing Jews can safely live with them.

BTW: It would be informative for me to learn how the term "Ger Toshav" relates to what I wrote in Post #45.

 

[Kenny'sID]

says Christ in Matthew 18:32-35

says Paul in Rom 2:13 and Romans 11:20-23

Says Ezekiel in Ezek 18

Says Christ in John 15:1-11

Excellent scriptures for this subject.

 

[Norbert L]

Is there any evidence in the Bible indicating that evangelized Gentiles are expected to keep the Sabbath? If not, is there any scriptural evidence against it? Or are the Scriptures rather silent in this regard?

One scripture in the OT has evidence that God is at peace with a Gentile who was responsible for taking his king into pagan temples. It's about Naaman's encounter with Elisha, specifically when he says this, "If not, please let there be given to your servant two mules' load of earth, for from now on your servant will not offer burnt offering or sacrifice to any god but the LORD. In this matter may the LORD pardon your servant: when my master goes into the house of Rimmon to worship there, leaning on my arm, and I bow myself in the house of Rimmon, when I bow myself in the house of Rimmon, the LORD pardon your servant in this matter." 2 Kings 5:17-18 ESV
The answer was Go in peace.

Those events are quite profound. Not only can Naaman go into a pagan temple but interestingly, when Jesus mentions his name during Sabbath, those Sabbath keepers responded by trying to throw Jesus off a cliff.

 

[Kenny'sID]

says Christ in Matthew 18:32-35

I'd like your opinion on something that scripture brings to mind, please, Bob.

The one needing forgiveness, asked for it, and throughout the bible we are told we need to ask for our forgiveness.

Do you feel that is a fact or should we automatically forgive the unremorsful? I ask because I find it very easy to forgive anyone, if they sincerely ask, but those who never ask and act as if they are remorseless, or dont even consider what they did a problem, I find it nearly impossible to forgive them.

All indications in the bible strongly indicate an expectation for all to ask forgiveness before it can be granted..but do you know of scripture that indicates we forgive the remorseless? It seems God doesnt even do that.

 

[helmut]

Hmmm Nope! God's ISRAEL according to the scriptures under the new covenant are all those who believe and follow God's Word.

Repeating a statement does not make it factual. Scripture does make a difference between the believing Jews who are "sealed" (so they are safe from the Great tribulation) and the multitude of Non-Jews who will go through this tribulation (Rev 7!). Unless you deal with that, I don't believe that your interpretation of Scripture on this point can be taken serious, regardless how many verses you quote.

There is (or at least: should be) unity of Jewish ("messianic") and gentile believers, but this does not obliterate the difference, the marks and benefits Paul lists in Rom 9:2-5.

 

[helmut]

Simple ... follow the Lamb wherever he goes.

Jesus "went" to the point of being accused to break the Sabbath laws ... do you follow him to that?

 

[helmut]

The context seems to indicate that Paul and other disciples took advantage of the fact that Jews were gathering in synagogues on sabbath to get their attention and preach the gospel. And consequently the Gentiles were drawn to hear. But nothing in the text indicates that Gentiles are ordained to keep the sabbath as commandment. They were just hearing the preaching that was conveniently taking place on sabbath.

In fact, there were Gentiles in almost any synagogue that gathered there, they were called "God-fearers", and most of them more or less followed the commands preached in the synagogues. almost every gentile Christians that were converted by Paul were from this stock.

The hint that the Gentiles will hear the law of Moses preached every Sabbath was there to sooth those who were not content with the few rules enacted in the conference of Acts 15. What this says about Gentile Christians without contact to Jewish believers is a matter of exegesis, and should be judged by other parts of Scripture (e.g. the Pauline letters).