Conversion therapy

[Carl Emerson]

Well believing churches get involved in lots of community ministries and counseling. with this issue, they should only seek to help those who want to get help, or appear willing to restore there thinking to "normal" in this. If a nation bans this, if people ask- we can still tell them the truth as to what gender God made them to be.

Until it becomes classified as 'hate speech' I guess we have that option.

 

[Junia]

except compound words don't derive their meaning from the meanings of their root words. you don't have to be standing or under anything to understand that the word butterfly has nothing to do with levitating dairy products.

and even if we pretended that compound words derive their meaning from the meanings of their root words ten it would be equally correct to say that 1 Cor 6:9-10 is condeming the lazy or men who stay in bed all day.



it actually just translates as soft. that's all

Exacfly. Just like pharmakeia doesn't mean medicine b But was referring to.drugs used in temple rituals in ancient Greek religions. Many Christians have got confused because they interpret the root meaning to be literal. If you consider that it is linked to sorcery of course it cannot be talking about medical drugs!

 

[Junia]

Until it becomes classified as 'hate speech' I guess we have that option.

We can only take one day at a time.

 

[Junia]

I don’t believe that . I think they get guilted into pretending to change by the gaslighting . Some people are good at acting .

Depends if Jesus really healed them or not. He can do it. sometimes he may choose to do it if it is His will

 

[Anthony2019]

Just change the word orientation to the word temptation and it all becomes clear. Then if it is acted upon, it does become sin.

Orientation simply refers to the fact that some people have an innate attraction towards people of a particular gender. Some people prefer coffee over tea. It doesn't mean that they have any desire to have one. They simply have an inclination to prefer one over the other.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I don’t believe that . I think they get guilted into pretending to change by the gaslighting . Some people are good at acting .

Paul was gifted to see through such phoney righteousness.

 

[Junia]

I agree with you. Celibacy has been considered by many as the only option for non-heterosexual people. I know many people in the church who have resolved to remain true to what they believe yet have found the path of celibacy to be too unbearable for them.

The longer I have been a Christian the more i have realised that everyone's life experience is unique and there are never straightforward answers to every situation.

Having read the Bible from cover to cover, I am often very tempted to think that I have mastered all aspects of theology and morality. But when I come across words such as "Do to others as they would unto you" it makes me realise how far I have missed the mark. I realise that I cannot truly love my neighbour as myself, if I cannot relate or empathise with another person's situation. And like the parable of the good samaritan, I cannot become a good neighbour unless I accept that there are situations where I may have to become vulnerable. Being vulnerable often requires us to challenge our own traditions and beliefs by allowing ourselves to be touched and affected by another person's experience.

To be a good Christian, we first have to learn what it means to be a good neighbour and friend. Good friends do not always necessarily see or understand things from each other's perspective, but they are there for one another, through good times and bad, through triumph and tragedy, sharing with each other during times of joy and sorrow, A good friend may not always appreciate what another person is going through, but they will always be there at their side. They will do anything they can to help soothe their suffering, ease their anguish, and to help them find hope, courage and strength in their situation.

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Exactly! If we love God and our neighbours we have fulfilled the law and we are living as we should.

 

[Junia]

Paul was gifted to see through such phoney righteousness.

This is why am against any kind of ministry that would pressure someone to change instantly. Real healing of root issues is what is needed so the person being ministered to doesn't feel they have to pretend to be fixed before they are.

But of course a true Jesus ministry would be gentle loving and compassionate with no pressure anyway

 

[Anthony2019]

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Exactly! If we love God and our neighbours we have fulfilled the law and we are living as we should.

I agree. I think as Christians we have made our faith so legalistic and complicated. As James 2:8 states: "“If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, ‘Love your neighbour as yourself,’ you are doing right”"

 

[Carl Emerson]

Orientation simply refers to the fact that some people have an innate attraction towards people of a particular gender. Some people prefer coffee over tea. It doesn't mean that they have any desire to have one. They simply have an inclination to prefer one over the other.

Yes that is the modern thinking constructed to avoid the problem of guilt if the temptation is acted on.

For some reason we have lost the truth that Jesus wants to redeem our 'tastes' not to work out ways to justify that which leads to sin.

 

[Junia]

I agree. I think as Christians we have made our faith so legalistic and complicated. As James 2:8 states: "“If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, ‘Love your neighbour as yourself,’ you are doing right”"

Amen. I decided recently am going to just focus on those 2 main things and not worry about other doctrinal matters so much. Oh I debate them on here but I don't take them any deeper than that. I am not yet ready for a heavy complicated faith as I am in that stage where am still learning who I am in christ...I should have just listened to and loved and prayer for my trans friend and left my opinions at the door

 

[Carl Emerson]

This is why am against any kind of ministry that would pressure someone to change instantly. Real healing of root issues is what is needed so the person being ministered to doesn't feel they have to pretend to be fixed before they are.

But of course a true Jesus ministry would be gentle loving and compassionate with no pressure anyway

Yes... the battle is against powers and principalities - not flesh and blood !

 

[Junia]

Yes that is the modern thinking constructed to avoid the problem of guilt if the temptation is acted on.

For some reason we have lost the truth that Jesus wants to redeem our 'tastes' not to work out ways to justify that which leads to sin.

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I definitely believe that God wAnts to remove the burden of sin from His children so we can have good fellowship with Him...he wants to heal the mental health disorder behind these temptations same as he does with porn, alcoholism, drugs etc




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[Junia]

Yes... the battle is against powers and principalities - not flesh and blood !

Sanctification is God's work, not ours

 

[Anthony2019]

Yes that is the modern thinking constructed to avoid the problem of guilt if the temptation is acted on.

For some reason we have lost the truth that Jesus wants to redeem our 'tastes' not to work out ways to justify that which leads to sin.

Sexual orientation has existed in every time and culture in history. In recent times, we have gained a greater understanding of sexuality and there have been changes in how we define it, but it is certainly not a new phenomenon.

 

[Anthony2019]

Amen. I decided recently am going to just focus on those 2 main things and not worry about other doctrinal matters so much. Oh I debate them on here but I don't take them any deeper than that. I am not yet ready for a heavy complicated faith as I am in that stage where am still learning who I am in christ...I should have just listened to and loved and prayer for my trans friend and left my opinions at the door

In my early days as a Christian, I used to be very rigid and quite legalistic at times. These days, I realise how much how little I know and I realise that is probably the best approach anyone can take. During his ministry on earth, our Lord was always full of surprises and he corrected a lot of people who thought they knew everything about the scriptures. A servant will never know more than his master. And perhaps that is just as well. It helps us to learn to trust God better, and have more faith that He knows exactly what he is doing.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Sexual orientation has existed in every time and culture in history. In recent times, we have gained a greater understanding of sexuality and there have been changes in how we define it, but it is certainly not a new phenomenon.

If you just replace the term orientation with the word temptation, then I completely agree with you that it has been around since the fall of man.

 

[nolidad]

Exacfly. Just like pharmakeia doesn't mean medicine b But was referring to.drugs used in temple rituals in ancient Greek religions. Many Christians have got confused because they interpret the root meaning to be literal. If you consider that it is linked to sorcery of course it cannot be talking about medical drugs!

Well many of teh religions that had oracles, the oracle would get high to get in contact with teh spirit world, that is why it is translated sorcery! for drugs were used in sorcery. There were no CVS's in the neighborhood yet.

 

[nolidad]

Sexual orientation has existed in every time and culture in history. In recent times, we have gained a greater understanding of sexuality and there have been changes in how we define it, but it is certainly not a new phenomenon.

Well "orientation" has normally been used for sexual act preference, not with how one identifies themselves.

 

[Anthony2019]

Well "orientation" has normally been used for sexual act preference, not with how one identifies themselves.

I think that is largely to do with the fact that until the latter part of the last century, most people were reluctant to disclose their sexual orientation due to the stigma that was involved. Now that society has generally become more accommodating, I think the term "identity" has become more commonplace to define one's sexual orientation.