THE HOUR OF HIS JUDGEMENT IS COME!

[Lost4words]

we can all multiply.

But the point remains that having someone out there that does not have the right understanding of the book of Revelation is not what will make "breaking news" for today.

It is knowing what God is warning us about that matters... not the various little groups that might not have figured it out.

1,000s of so called, end times / revelation 'experts'

 

[LoveGodsWord]

1,000s of so called, end times / revelation 'experts'

Why would you think that there is not a correct interpretation of Revelation? There are many different denominations of Christianity and of course they cannot all be correct, does that also mean that no one knows the truth of God's Word?

 

[honey badger]

So what does it mean the "hour" of God's judgement is come or what is the "everlasting gospel" does anyone know?

the death of innocents and the treasure hid which costs ones soul to find ...

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You and I both know that in Jan 2015t Christianity Today identified a certain group as "the fifth-largest Christian communion worldwide" - ( yes that one.. ) - and we know that group has as part of its official mission statement "to proclaim the everlasting gospel embraced by the three angels’ messages (Revelation 14:6-12).

What other major Christian denomination has that proclamation of Rev 14 details - included in their mission statement?

It is as if they found a document that is the history of exactly how an ancient civilization finally cured COVID-19 before it morphed into the far more deadly covid-21.

I find the book of Revelation interesting Bob, as it is God's last day message for His people prior to the second coming. God wants us to know what it means. This focus of this OP though is that Judgement time is come. So I put it here to discuss all the new testament scriptures including those of the book of Revelation. What are your thoughts in relation to the Judgement is come! To me it gives the meaning as it is happening now what about you?

 

[BrotherD]

So what does it mean the "hour" of God's judgement is come or what is the "everlasting gospel" does anyone know?

I believe Daniel mentions this judgment scene:

Daniel 7:9-10,13-14
[9]I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
[10]A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
[13]I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
[14]And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

1 Peter 4:17
[17]For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

This must happen before Jesus comes back because in the book of Revelation we see when he comes he has a reward in his hand:

Revelation 22:10-12
[10]And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
[11]He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
[12]And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

He cannot have a reward without first rendering judgment. Therefore he must judge before he comes the second time.

 

[Jovajna]

I think this belongs in the eschatology forum.

I can't find that forum, is it under some other category?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I believe Daniel mentions this judgment scene:

Daniel 7:9-10,13-14
[9]I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
[10]A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
[13]I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
[14]And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

1 Peter 4:17
[17]For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

This must happen before Jesus comes back because in the book of Revelation we see when he comes he has a reward in his hand:

Revelation 22:10-12
[10]And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
[11]He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
[12]And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

He cannot have a reward without first rendering judgment. Therefore he must judge before he comes the second time.

Great post BrotherD, sorry for the slow reply will get back here again soon.

God bless.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

the death of innocents and the treasure hid which costs ones soul to find ...

Not sure of your meaning here brother did you wish to explain yourself a little further?

 

[honey badger]

Not sure of your meaning here brother did you wish to explain yourself a little further?

the death of innocents

Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

So they tried to seize Him, but no one laid a hand on Him, because His hour had not yet come.

And about the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" That is, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"

And having called out in a loud voice, Jesus said, "Father, into Your hands I commit My Spirit." And having said this, He breathed His last.

And the centurion standing opposite of Him, having seen that He breathed His last, thus said, "Truly this man was the Son of God!"


the treasure hid

And having found one very precious pearl, having gone away, he has sold all things as many as he had, and bought it.

Then Jesus said His to disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever might desire to save his life will lose it; but whoever might lose his life on account of Me will find it.

 

[chad kincham]

What about the everlasting gospel? What is the everlasting gospel that come before God's judgement? Does anyone know what the everlasting gospel is?

There’s only one gospel, the one we are to proclaim to the world - an angel is preaching the gospel to the parts of the world that are closed to the gospel during the tribulation, but an angel can’t be stopped from preaching to those areas.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

There’s only one gospel, the one we are to proclaim to the world

Agreed with this section, though many do not know what the everlasting Gospel is. What is the everlasting gospel in your view?

 

[chad kincham]

we can all multiply.

But the point remains that having someone out there that does not have the right understanding of the book of Revelation is not what will make "breaking news" for today.

It is knowing what God is warning us about that matters... not the various little groups that might not have figured it out.

BTW your list of groups affirming the ten commands doesn’t override Jesus, Paul, and the Bible affirming that the two commands fulfills all the law in the new covenant.

 

[BobRyan]

BTW your list of groups affirming the ten commands doesn’t override Jesus, Paul,

Agreed. So it is nice that Jesus and Paul both affirm God's Commandments that include the TEN that Jeremiah and his readers knew about when he penned the "New Covenant" in Jer 31:31-34

In Mark 7:6-13 Christ refers to them as "commandments of God"

In Matt 19 as "Commandments" -- specifically singling out the list in the TEN that deal with "Love your neighbor as yourself".

In Eph 6 :1-2 Paul reminds us that the unit of TEN having the fifth commandment as "The first commandment with a promise" is the unique unit of Law included in the commandments applicable to Christians.

Romans 7 Paul refers to them as commandments having the commandment "do not covet"

And for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" in the New Earth. Is 66:23

 

[LoveGodsWord]

BTW your list of groups affirming the ten commands doesn’t override Jesus, Paul, and the Bible affirming that the two commands fulfills all the law in the new covenant.

You do know that JESUS in Matthew 22:36-40 on the two great commandments of Love to God and man is quoting Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 right?

 

[chad kincham]

Agreed. So it is nice that Jesus and Paul both affirm God's Commandments that include the TEN that Jeremiah and his readers knew about when he penned the "New Covenant" in Jer 31:31-34

In Mark 7:6-13 Christ refers to them as "commandments of God"

In Matt 19 as "Commandments" -- specifically singling out the list in the TEN that deal with "Love your neighbor as yourself".

In Eph 6 :1-2 Paul reminds us that the unit of TEN having the fifth commandment as "The first commandment with a promise" is the unique unit of Law included in the commandments applicable to Christians.

Romans 7 Paul refers to them as commandments having the commandment "do not covet"

And for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" in the New Earth. Is 66:23

The ten commands were an external law that required the DEATH penalty for breaking, and the 6 commands dealing with man, were very limited, and were not done out of love, but from fear of punishment for breaking.

The two love commands are not equivalent to the ten. They are far beyond it. If you love your neighbor as yourself, you not only won’t kill him, steal from him, bear false witness, etc, but the loving way you treat him will far exceed a mere 6 commands.

The ten commands you want so badly to remain under, are called by Paul in 2 Corinthians 3, the letter that kills, the ministry of death, and the ministry of condemnation given to Moses on two tables of stone, that has ended, replaced by the law of the spirit.

In Galatians 4:21-31 Paul compares two covenants, and says the covenant given on Mount Sinai is bondage.

Peter in Acts 15 answers the claim that gentiles must be circumcised and follow the law of Moses, that that law was a yoke that neither there fathers, nor themselves, could bear.

The Decalogue is also called the covenant on two tables of stone, and scripture is clear that the old covenant is ended, that it was (on purpose) a faulty covenant, replaced by a better covenant made with better promises.

Do the math: ten commands = the covenant. The old covenant has ended, replaced by a better covenant, ergo, the ten commands (with the death penalty for breaking), have ended, being replaced with two love commands - that far exceed the old ten concerning how well you treat your Neighbor and how you honor God.

BTW, the phrase ‘one sabbath to another’ means 7 days per week, not one. If I say a farmer works from one sabbath TO another, it means he works 7 days per week, not that he only works on the sabbath.

Agreed. So it is nice that Jesus and Paul both affirm God's Commandments that include the TEN that Jeremiah and his readers knew about when he penned the "New Covenant" in Jer 31:31-34

In Mark 7:6-13 Christ refers to them as "commandments of God"

In Matt 19 as "Commandments" -- specifically singling out the list in the TEN that deal with "Love your neighbor as yourself".

In Eph 6 :1-2 Paul reminds us that the unit of TEN having the fifth commandment as "The first commandment with a promise" is the unique unit of Law included in the commandments applicable to Christians.

Romans 7 Paul refers to them as commandments having the commandment "do not covet"

And for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" in the New Earth. Is 66:23

 

[chad kincham]

Agreed. So it is nice that Jesus and Paul both affirm God's Commandments that include the TEN that Jeremiah and his readers knew about when he penned the "New Covenant" in Jer 31:31-34

In Mark 7:6-13 Christ refers to them as "commandments of God"

In Matt 19 as "Commandments" -- specifically singling out the list in the TEN that deal with "Love your neighbor as yourself".

In Eph 6 :1-2 Paul reminds us that the unit of TEN having the fifth commandment as "The first commandment with a promise" is the unique unit of Law included in the commandments applicable to Christians.

Romans 7 Paul refers to them as commandments having the commandment "do not covet"

And for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" in the New Earth. Is 66:23

The ten commands were an external law that required the death penalty for breaking, and the 6 commands dealing with man, were very limited, and were not done out of love, but from fear of punishment for breaking.

The two love commands are not equivalent to the ten. They are far beyond it. If you love your neighbor as yourself, you not only won’t kill him, steal from him, bear false witness, etc, but the loving way you treat him will far exceed a mere 6 commands.

The ten commands you want so badly to remain under, are called by Paul in 2 Corinthians 3, the letter that kills, the ministry of death, and the ministry of condemnation given to Moses on two tables of stone, that has ended, replaced by the law of the spirit.

The Decalogue is the letter that kills, and ministry of death, because the death penalty is required for breaking them. The law requires them to stone to death, those who break it.

Killed any sabbath breakers lately? Then your not properly keeping the ten commands, but only part of the law.

In Galatians 4:21-31 Paul compares two covenants, and says the covenant given on Mount Sinai is bondage.

Peter in Acts 15 answers the claim that gentiles must be circumcised and follow the law of Moses, and states that that law was a yoke that neither there fathers, nor themselves, could bear.

Agreed. So it is nice that Jesus and Paul both affirm God's Commandments that include the TEN that Jeremiah and his readers knew about when he penned the "New Covenant" in Jer 31:31-34

In Mark 7:6-13 Christ refers to them as "commandments of God"

In Matt 19 as "Commandments" -- specifically singling out the list in the TEN that deal with "Love your neighbor as yourself".

In Eph 6 :1-2 Paul reminds us that the unit of TEN having the fifth commandment as "The first commandment with a promise" is the unique unit of Law included in the commandments applicable to Christians.

Romans 7 Paul refers to them as commandments having the commandment "do not covet"

And for all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" in the New Earth. Is 66:23

 

[BobRyan]

The ten commands were an external law that required the death penalty for breaking,

Not strictly speaking - for example in the OT there was no death penalty for coveting or lying.

But still it is true that even in the NT - in God's Law as we see in the NT "the wages of sin is death" -- Rom 6:23 and "sin is the transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4.

So then... "we get the idea" -- agreed "the death penalty" in its ultimate sense for sin.

and the 6 commands dealing with man, were very limited, and were not done out of love

Not according to Christ in Matthew 22 - "all the LAW and the prophets" exist on the foundation of Love.
Love for God (the first 4 commandments) and Love for your neighbor (the last six).

Jesus reminds us of this in the case of the last six - in Matthew 19 where He says "KEEP the Commandments" and when asked "which ones" - He goes through the last six and "love your neighbor as yourself".

Moses and Elijah stand with Christ in glory before the cross - in Matthew 17 because as Paul reminds us "there is only ONE Gospel" Gal 1:6-9 and that "Gospel was preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8 and like the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 it includes the "LAW of God written on the heart"

 

[BobRyan]

The two love commands are not equivalent to the ten.

They are the rock solid immovable foundation for the TEN.

Love God with all your heart - Deut 6:5
Love your neighbor as yourself - Lev 19:18

Matt 22: "40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

They are the foundation not only of "THE WHOLE LAW" but also "the prophets" -- i.e. all of scripture.

I prefer the Bible.

 

[BobRyan]

The ten commands you want so badly to remain under, are called by Paul

Paul calls them the ones where "the first commandment with a promise is the 5th commandment" Eph 6:2

Paul says "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

Paul says "do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

That LAW that Paul says - has the 5th commandment as "the first commandment with a promise" and also has the commandment "do not covet" Romans 7 - which he calls "holy just and good" Romans 7.

What does Paul say of the lost in Romans 8 "they do NOT submit to the LAW of God - neither indeed CAN they"

And in Romans 2:13 when it comes to Gospel justification Paul says "It is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God - but the doers of the Law will be JUSTIFIED"

For the lost -- 2 Corinthians 3, the letter that kills, and is the ministry of death,

for the lost - in Romans 3 we find this -
"19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin." Rom 3

by contrast to the lost - in the NT we are told that "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

 

[BobRyan]

Killed any sabbath breakers lately? .

killed anyone taking God's name in vain lately?
Killed anyone worshiping before an idol lately?
Killed anyone for dishonoring their parents lately?

Hopefully the answer is "no".

Yet that is not some odd/funny kind of "proof" that it is now just fine for Christians to take God's name in vain.

Let's rely on actual Bible doctrine.

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I am glad this Bible detail is so glaringly obvious that even these pro-sunday groups freely admit that though the civil laws of a theocracy are not longer in effect - YET it is still a sin to take God's name in vain and ALL TEN of the Ten commandments remain as part of God's moral law applicable to all mankind.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism