Do you agree with these statements?

[Kylie]

Every zebra is called a "zebra" by its parents, it does not have to define zebra on its own.

I don't see how this changes what Bungle said.

 

[Gottservant]

I don't see how this changes what Bungle said.

It means if a zebra wants to be something different to its parents, it must argue with its parents that it is not a zebra.

No zebra does that.

It is "Evolutionists" that want to keep asking "why?" - zebras are just happy that being a zebra, gives them zebra choices.

 

[Kylie]

It means if a zebra wants to be something different to its parents, it must argue with its parents that it is not a zebra.

No zebra does that.

It is "Evolutionists" that want to keep asking "why?" - zebras are just happy that being a zebra, gives them zebra choices.

That is nowhere near to how evolution works.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

It means if a zebra wants to be something different to its parents, it must argue with its parents that it is not a zebra.

Why? Why can't it just be different?

No zebra does that.

I think you're probably right, but do you have evidence to support that statement?

It is "Evolutionists" that want to keep asking "why?" - zebras are just happy that being a zebra, gives them zebra choices.

Most humans ask "why?" Do you think being inquisitive is a bad thing? Don't you ever ask "why?"

 

[AV1611VET]

Some questions...

8. It's still a zebra, isn't it?​

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

8. It's still a zebra, isn't it?​

That's the issue - how many differences need to accumulate, and how much of a difference must they make for the population (herd) under consideration to be considered to be a different species (or subspecies) of zebra?

Suppose, for example, that over a large number of generations, the herd slowly lost its stripes, so it no longer looked like a zebra?

There are various criteria used to make that decision, but the most popular is do members of this herd still interbreed with members of that herd when given the opportunity, and if they do interbreed, do they produce reproductively viable offspring? If not, they're generally considered sufficiently different to be called separate species.

Note that there are plenty of exceptions to the criteria above, and some examples, such as ring species, are interesting grey areas.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's the issue -

That's an issue!?

LOL

Not with me, it isn't.

Read the OP -- they are still zebras.

Why do academians want to make issues out of clear-cut points?

Is it because our colleges and universities are subtly teaching ... as the Beatles put it ... nothing is real?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

That's an issue!?

LOL

Not with me, it isn't.

No problem - it was aimed at anyone reachable

 

[AV1611VET]

No problem - it was aimed at anyone reachable

Like Eve?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Like Eve?

Love her!

 

[Kylie]

8. It's still a zebra, isn't it?​

If we say Generation 1 are zebras and we ask this of an animal from Generation 2, then yes.

But if we ask this regarding an animal from generation 10,382, where there have been many small changes adding up over the centuries, do you think we could still say the same thing?

 

[AV1611VET]

If we say Generation 1 are zebras and we ask this of an animal from Generation 2, then yes.

But if we ask this regarding an animal from generation 10,382, where there have been many small changes adding up over the centuries, do you think we could still say the same thing?

Now you're adding to your OP.

What is this? make up rules as we go along?

 

[Kylie]

Now you're adding to your OP.

What is this? make up rules as we go along?

How am I adding to the OP? I very clearly stated in point 7:

7. Do you agree that if we wait for enough generations to pass, most if not all animals in the herd will have this difference, and what was once different is now normal?
​

I'm talking about those generations now. I'm not adding anything new.

 

[AV1611VET]

How am I adding to the OP? I very clearly stated in point 7:

7. Do you agree that if we wait for enough generations to pass, most if not all animals in the herd will have this difference, and what was once different is now normal?
​

I'm talking about those generations now. I'm not adding anything new.

I think I asked you this once before, but can't remember.

So I'll ask again:

What is the binomial of the zebras in Question 1, and the binomial of those animals in Question 7?

We'll just cut to the chase and quit playing games.

 

[Kylie]

I think I asked you this once before, but can't remember.

So I'll ask again:

What is the binomial of the zebras in Question 1, and the binomial of those animals in Question 7?

We'll just cut to the chase and quit playing games.

How is that relevant? Your use of technobabble really makes it hard to understand what you are asking.

You're also changing the subject, so I take it you withdraw the accusation that I am adding more to the OP?

 

[AV1611VET]

How is that relevant?

It's very relevant.

I was saying they are still zebra.

But now you want me to interpret "enough generations to pass" as deep time, and are intimating these things are now in a whole new genus.

You need to post your mind on this and quit adding to the game as we go along.

 

[Kylie]

It's very relevant.

I was saying they are still zebra.

But now you want me to interpret "enough generations to pass" as deep time, and are intimating these things are now in a whole new genus.

You need to post your mind on this and quit adding to the game as we go along.

Where did you get "a whole new genus" from?

A new species, sure.

But a new genus would take a lot longer than that, I think. Besides, I'm not going to pretend that vast stretches of time aren't available just because you disagree with it. If you want to do that, you can go and start your own challenge. But this is my thread, and I'll post the OP the way I want.

And again, I have NOT added anything to the OP here, so stop saying I have.

 

[AV1611VET]

Where did you get "a whole new genus" from?

Well, I certainly did not get it from you.

Maybe if you would be so kind as to give me the binomials of the zebra in Point 1, and the binomial of the animals in Point 7, we could get somewhere.

Otherwise, this is just a game of Make Up The Rules As You Go Along.

 

[Kylie]

Well, I certainly did not get it from you.

Maybe if you would be so kind as to give me the binomials of the zebra in Point 1, and the binomial of the animals in Point 7, we could get somewhere.

Otherwise, this is just a game of Make Up The Rules As You Go Along.

And again I will ask you to phrase your question without the technobabble.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

And again I will ask you to phrase your question without the technobabble.

I think he's asking if the taxonomic species name (Equus grevy, Equus quagga, Equus zebra) is the same after the modifications.