Is forced vaccination related to the mark of the beast?

[BABerean2]

You are just spraying all different kinds of theories at me, which you haven't tied to the OP, nor does it answered my question.

What reputable sources are you using to attribute globalists using COVID-19 to forming a 1 world government?

If you don't have any reputable sources then I'll take the advice of Paul:

1 Timothy 2:23 Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels.

Based on the tone of our conversation up to this point, it does not look like any source I use would satisfy you as "reputable sources".

You heard Cronkite and his friends laugh at the coming of the Messiah, and you made excuses for his comment about being willing to sit at the right hand of Satan to help bring about world government. You appear to look at the World Federalists much differently than I do.

Bill Gates has clearly said he believes every person on the planet should be vaccinated. Gates has also clearly advocated a cashless society, with every person on the planet having a unique number. I take the man at his word.

If believe both of the above are "reputable sources".

A friend of mine saw the lack of change issued by the Federal Reserve System as a warning sign during the last few months.

I believe the scriptures teach a future time when Satan is released from the pit and the whole world is deceived. You seem to believe otherwise.

Pastor Sam Storms also believes there may be a time at the end when Satan will make war upon the Church.

It looks like we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I pray that you are right, and I am wrong.

At this point I have to wonder if there will be a real election in the U.S. this year?
COVID-19 will be a factor.


I still love you, Brother.


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[Timtofly]

???

Except the Scripture doesn't say "6000 years", or "6 hours a day". I work a lot more than 6 hours a day!

And if you add up the years of the patriarchs end on end with the exception of "X begot Y and called his name...." you get a planet that's more than twice 6000 years old.

The genealogies in Genesis aren't all direct father son relations. Matter of fact, most of them aren't. This can be proven by comparing the genealogies in Genesis to the genealogy of Jesus in Luke. There's an extra "Cainan" in Luke that's not in Genesis. He's between Arphaxad and Salah who are the descendants of Shem.

And if you believe the Scripture is inerrant, than that wasn't a "typo".

You cannot add up their ages. It is the birth of the sons you add.

100 years Seth was born.
105 years Enosh was born.
90 years Kenan was born.
70 years Mahalal was born.
65 years Yered was born.
162 years Enoch was born.
65 years Methusala was born.
187 years Lemekh was born.
182 years Noah was born.
500 years Noah had 3 sons.
100 years the Flood.

Add those numbers up. 1626.

Abraham was 75 years old when God called him which was 365 years after the Flood.

365 + 1626 = 1991

So Abraham was called out 1991 years after Adam was banned from the Garden.

Next Easter will be 1991 years from Jesus Christ's death on the Cross.

In the parables of the workers there were 2 6 hour shifts. 6 AM to Noon and from Noon to 6 PM. Some were paid a days wage for 12 hours. Those who worked the last hour, 5 to 6, were also paid a days wage. There was a huge uproar from those who worked 12 hours, why they did not get more. If you can convince your boss to go by Bible standards, good luck.

 

[The Righterzpen]

Yes, as someone who is a medical professional and trained in evaluating medical research, I would like to evaluate the sources you are using.

These kinds of articles are everywhere on medical web sights.

Gain-of-Function Research: Background and Alternatives - Potential Risks and Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research - NCBI Bookshelf
Rethinking Gain-of-Function Experiments in the Context of the COVID-19 Pandemic
Feds lift gain-of-function research pause, offer guidance
https://www.med.unc.edu/orfeome/fil...ruses-shows-potential-for-human-emergence.pdf

Who is they?

(Who are they?)

Look at who conducted the research on these articles and you'll know who "they" are.

You mean like cold, flu, and noroviruses?

Coronaviruses other than the "original" 4 that have been known to cause colds (2) and pneumonia (2 - usually in elderly people). As well as outside of MERS and SARS "classic".

This is generic, I don't know what you mean.

Taking gain of function research to living test subjects is a stupid idea. The job of ribosomes is to fix genetic mistakes. As soon as researchers successfully infect an animal research subject with their chimera virus; if it works, the animal's own ribosomes will make the chimeric virus more efficient. And as soon as that animal starts producing virus; invariably it's going to get out of your lab.

Now various research labs from around the world have been playing with this (coronavirus gain of function research) for at least about 10 years. The earliest research papers I've seen go back to about 2008. (There may be earlier ones that I haven't seen.)

The US has research labs working on this kind of thing. Los Alamos lab actually got shut down in August 2019 for "breach of containment" The portion of the report that was heard by congress didn't charge anyone with negligence because they claimed it was researchers who left doors open for suppliers to being items in and out.

Yet if you have live animals who are expelling virus; you have a much greater chance of it escaping containment and infecting humans than humans manipulating RNA sequences in a petri dish. We're talking virus molecules that are microns in size. They are certainly capable of getting outside of containment once your animal research subjects begin producing virus.

I've seen research publications from Scandinavia, Israel and China.

We know SARS -cov2 can infect mice, rats, bats, monkeys, pengolas ferrets, cats, dogs, humans, goats, not sure about cattle? Isn't known to infect chickens, ducks or geese.

It's very unusual for a naturally occurring mutating virus to be able to infect multiple species right out of the gate like that. Viruses are usually species specific.

Collective stupidity as in not properly preparing for a pandemic?

Not being prepared for a pandemic is one form of foolishness. Two known "pandemic exercises" were run in 2019 prior to any one known to have caught Covid 19. One was conducted by John Hopkins / Gates Foundations (Event 201) and one by the US National Department of Heath (Crimson Contagion).

Creating a pandemic either accidentally (or intentionally) is a whole other level of stupid. At best it's a negligent bioweapon. At worst it's a biological warfare crime against humanity.

Had you noticed how quickly governments jumped on this thing? Bureaucracies tend to run on inertia. We won't pay attention to anything unless it gets so bad that we can't ignore it any more. Yet, governments around the world didn't do that in this case. They jumped on this thing and locked down the planet. That tells me that more than one "someone" knew what this was.

 

[The Righterzpen]

You cannot add up their ages. It is the birth of the sons you add.

100 years Seth was born.
105 years Enosh was born.
90 years Kenan was born.
70 years Mahalal was born.
65 years Yered was born.
162 years Enoch was born.
65 years Methusala was born.
187 years Lemekh was born.
182 years Noah was born.
500 years Noah had 3 sons.
100 years the Flood.

Add those numbers up. 1626.

Yet you neglect to answer the fact that most of these guys lived to be 800 - 900 plus years old.

930 = Adam's life span.
100 years in Seth is born.
930 - 100 = 830 from Seth's birth to Adam's death.

912 = Seth's life span.
912 - 830 = 82 years Seth lived passed Adam.
930 + 82 = 1012 years have passed.

105 years into Seth's life Enos is "born".
(Actually the ancestor to Enos was born. Enos was born the same year Seth died. But to prove the point; I'll use your assertion.)
912 - 105 = 807 years from Enos's birth to Seth's death.
905 - 807 = 98 years Enos lived past Seth
1012 + 98 = 1110 years have passed.

905 = Enos's life span.
90 years into Enos's life Cainan in born.
905 - 90 = 815 years from Cainan's birth to Enos's death
905 - 815 = 90 years Cainan lived past Enos.
1110 + 90 = 1200 years have passed.

910 = Cainan's life span.
70 years into Cainan's life Mahalaleel is born.
910 - 70 = 840 from Mahalaleel's birth to Cainan's death.
Mahalaleel lived 895 years.
895 - 840 = 55 years Mahalaleel lived past Cainan
1200 + 55 = 1285 years have passed.

895 = Mahalaleel's life span.
65 years into Mahalaleel's life span Jered is born.
895 - 65 = 830 years from Jared's birth to Mahalaleel's death.
Jared lived 962 years
962 - 830 = 132 years Jered lived past Mahalaleel.
1285 + 132 = 1417 years have passed.

962 = Jared's life span.
162 years into Jared's life span Enoch is born.
962 - 162 = 800 Years from Enoch's birth to Jered's death.
Enoch lived 365 years.
So Enoch's father outlived him by 435 years.
1417 + 435 = 1852 years have passed.

65 years into Enoch's life Methuselah is born.
969 years Methuselah lives.
365 - 65 = 300 years into Methuselah's life Enoch "dies".
969 - 300 = 669 years Methuselah outlives his father Enoch.
669 - 435 = 234 Methuselah outlives his grandfather Jared.
1852 + 234 = 2086 years have passed.

969 = Methuselah's life span.
187 into Methuselah's life is Lamech born.
969 - 187 = 782 years from Lamech's birth to Methuselah's death.
Lamech lives 777 years.
Methuselah outlives his son Lamech by 12 years.
2086 years have still passed since Methuselah dies.

777 = Lamech's life span.
182 years into Lamech's life is Noah born.
777 - 182 = 595
600 years from Noah's birth to the flood.

2086 + 600 = 2686 years have passed from creation to the flood.

Yet according to your date for the flood (1626) Jared, and Enoch drown in the flood because Enoch was only 47 years old when the flood came and Methuselah wasn't even born until Enoch was 65 years old.

1626 - 1417 (the year Mahalaleel died) = 209 years. That would have made Enoch 47 years old when the flood came. Noah wasn't even born for another 413 years.

So...... ???????

AND - According to Genesis, Abraham is still another 10 generations away! According to Luke; another 11 generations away!

Dude - There is just NO WAY there are only 2000 years between Adam and Abraham.

 

[The Righterzpen]

So Abraham was called out 1991 years after Adam was banned from the Garden.

Next Easter will be 1991 years from Jesus Christ's death on the Cross.

So... you think Christ is coming next Easter?

2168 BC Abraham was born.
2092 BC Abraham entered Cannan.
2068 BC Abraham was circumcised.

2067 BC Issac is born.
2007 BC Jacob is born.

Exactly 2000 years later, Jesus Christ was born in 7 BC.
1907 BC Jacob's name is changed to Israel.
Exactly 2000 years later; (1907 BC + 2000 years lands on 93 AD) Herod Agrippa II - the last king of the 1st century Herodian dynasty dies.

It's 100 years from Christ's birth until the Herod Agrippa II dies.

Jesus was born in 7 BC. 1994 was the 2000th year from His birth.
2033 AD is the 2000th year from his crucifixion.

100 years past from 2033; lands you on 1933. 1933 was the year Adolf Hitler became chancellor of Germany and also the year the Transfer Agreement went into effect. The Transfer Agreement was a piece of legislation that was passed by the National Socialist Party that allowed Jews to transfer property in Germany for property in Palestine. Thus the goal was to get Jews to move there.

The Transfer Agreement stayed in effect for Jews living in Germany until the war started in 1939. For British property owned in Germany; it remained in effect for the duration of the war. I also believe there was some aspect of it regarding Jews in Britain that remained in effect through the duration of WWII.

Great Britain was involved in this too because they had "received" the "property rights" to Palestine at the end of WWI, because the Ottoman Empire had been allied with the Germanic Empire (which lost WWI) Thus Austria - Hungary / German empire, Eastern Europe and the Middle-East got divide up into quasi ethnic partitions that would become nation's boarders.

The end of WWI is where we get (most) of our current world map. The next major remaking of the world map came after the Soviet Union fell apart in the late 80's / early 90's.

Does 2000 years mean anything in eschatological time tables? No idea. In regards to Jacob's birth to the birth of Christ it seems to.

 

[Timtofly]

Yet you neglect to answer the fact that most of these guys lived to be 800 - 900 plus years old.

930 = Adam's life span.
100 years in Seth is born.
930 - 100 = 830 from Seth's birth to Adam's death.

912 = Seth's life span.
912 - 830 = 82 years Seth lived passed Adam.
930 + 82 = 1012 years have passed.

105 years into Seth's life Enos is "born".
(Actually the ancestor to Enos was born. Enos was born the same year Seth died. But to prove the point; I'll use your assertion.)
912 - 105 = 807 years from Enos's birth to Seth's death.
905 - 807 = 98 years Enos lived past Seth
1012 + 98 = 1110 years have passed.

905 = Enos's life span.
90 years into Enos's life Cainan in born.
905 - 90 = 815 years from Cainan's birth to Enos's death
905 - 815 = 90 years Cainan lived past Enos.
1110 + 90 = 1200 years have passed.

910 = Cainan's life span.
70 years into Cainan's life Mahalaleel is born.
910 - 70 = 840 from Mahalaleel's birth to Cainan's death.
Mahalaleel lived 895 years.
895 - 840 = 55 years Mahalaleel lived past Cainan
1200 + 55 = 1285 years have passed.

895 = Mahalaleel's life span.
65 years into Mahalaleel's life span Jered is born.
895 - 65 = 830 years from Jared's birth to Mahalaleel's death.
Jared lived 962 years
962 - 830 = 132 years Jered lived past Mahalaleel.
1285 + 132 = 1417 years have passed.

962 = Jared's life span.
162 years into Jared's life span Enoch is born.
962 - 162 = 800 Years from Enoch's birth to Jered's death.
Enoch lived 365 years.
So Enoch's father outlived him by 435 years.
1417 + 435 = 1852 years have passed.

65 years into Enoch's life Methuselah is born.
969 years Methuselah lives.
365 - 65 = 300 years into Methuselah's life Enoch "dies".
969 - 300 = 669 years Methuselah outlives his father Enoch.
669 - 435 = 234 Methuselah outlives his grandfather Jared.
1852 + 234 = 2086 years have passed.

969 = Methuselah's life span.
187 into Methuselah's life is Lamech born.
969 - 187 = 782 years from Lamech's birth to Methuselah's death.
Lamech lives 770 years.
Methuselah outlives his son Lamech by 12 years.
2086 years have still passed since Methuselah dies.

770 = Lamech's life span.
182 years into Lamech's life is Noah born.
770 - 182 = 588
500 years from Noah's birth to the flood.
Yet according to Scripture Lamech lives 88 years past the flood? How'd that happen? He wasn't on the ark!

2086 + 500 = 2586 years have passed from creation to the flood.

Yet according to your date for the flood (1626) Jared, and Enoch drown in the flood because Enoch was only 47 years old when the flood came and Methuselah wasn't even born until Enoch was 65 years old.

1626 - 1417 (the year Mahalaleel died) = 209 years. That would have made Enoch 47 years old when the flood came. Noah wasn't even born for another 413 years.

So...... ???????

AND - According to Genesis, Abraham is still another 10 generations away! According to Luke; another 11 generations away!

Dude - There is just NO WAY there are only 2000 years between Adam and Abraham.

Why are you looking at how long they lived and subtracting? The Bible already gives you the lengths after the next in line is born and the remainders along with the totals. Who subtracts from death to give time frames?

If you did the math properly, you can see the time since the fall. Mathusala lived the longest, but died the year of the Flood. It is not algebra, and you do not need to subtract and add. Just add the time between births. Unless you can show a chart from a source that proves your point. There are a lot of online charts from many sources that show the timeline.

Noah was 600 years old when the Flood came. His dad already died 12 years before. You cannot add 345 years to time that does not exist when Enoch left early. That is fuzzy math. Enoch left about a year after Adam died, if your math is right. You claim it was almost 1000 years after Adam died.

 

[Timtofly]

was born in 7 BC. 1994 was the 2000th year from His birth.
2033 AD is the 2000th year from his crucifixion.

Jesus was 40 when He died?

 

[The Righterzpen]

Why are you looking at how long they lived and subtracting? The Bible already gives you the lengths after the next in line is born and the remainders along with the totals. Who subtracts from death to give time frames?

If you did the math properly, you can see the time since the fall. Mathusala lived the longest, but died the year of the Flood. It is not algebra, and you do not need to subtract and add. Just add the time between births. Unless you can show a chart from a source that proves your point. There are a lot of online charts from many sources that show the timeline.

Noah was 600 years old when the Flood came. His dad already died 12 years before. You cannot add 345 years to time that does not exist when Enoch left early. That is fuzzy math. Enoch left about a year after Adam died, if your math is right. You claim it was almost 1000 years after Adam died.

OK I went back and re-crunched the numbers.

930 = Adam's life span.
130 years in Seth is born.
930 - 130 = 800 from Seth's birth to Adam's death.

912 = Seth's life span.
912 - 800 = 112 years Seth lived passed Adam.
930 + 112 = 1042 years have passed.

105 years into Seth's life Enos is "born".
(Actually the ancestor to Enos was born. Enos was born the same year Seth died. But to prove the point; I'll use your assertion.)
912 - 105 = 807 years from Enos's birth to Seth's death.
905 - 807 = 98 years Enos lived past Seth
1042 + 98 = 1140 years have passed.

905 = Enos's life span.
90 years into Enos's life Cainan in born.
905 - 90 = 815 years from Cainan's birth to Enos's death
905 - 815 = 90 years Cainan lived past Enos.
1140 + 90 = 1230 years have passed.

910 = Cainan's life span.
70 years into Cainan's life Mahalaleel is born.
910 - 70 = 840 from Mahalaleel's birth to Cainan's death.
Mahalaleel lived 895 years.
895 - 840 = 55 years Mahalaleel lived past Cainan
1230 + 55 = 1285 years have passed.

895 = Mahalaleel's life span.
65 years into Mahalaleel's life span Jered is born.
895 - 65 = 830 years from Jared's birth to Mahalaleel's death.
Jared lived 962 years
962 - 830 = 132 years Jered lived past Mahalaleel.
1285 + 132 = 1417 years have passed.

962 = Jared's life span.
162 years into Jared's life span Enoch is born.
962 - 162 = 800 Years from Enoch's birth to Jered's death.
Enoch lived 365 years.
So Enoch's father outlived him by 435 years.
(My first error was adding 435 to 1417 because 1417 was still the year Jered died.)
Still 1417 years have passed.

65 years into Enoch's life Methuselah is born.
969 years Methuselah lives.
365 - 65 = 300 years into Methuselah's life Enoch "dies".
969 - 300 = 669 years Methuselah outlives his father Enoch.
669 - 435 = 234 Methuselah outlives his grandfather Jared.
1417 + 234 = 1651 years have passed.

969 = Methuselah's life span.
187 into Methuselah's life is Lamech born.
969 - 187 = 782 years from Lamech's birth to Methuselah's death.
Lamech lives 777 years.
Methuselah outlives his son Lamech by 5 years.
1651 years have still passed since Methuselah dies.

777 = Lamech's life span.
182 years into Lamech's life is Noah born.
777 - 182 = 595
(Second mistake. 500 years till Shem Ham and Japheth are born; not 500 years to the flood.)
600 years from Noah's birth to the flood.

1651 + 5 = 1656 years have passed from creation to the flood.

Yet according to your date for the flood (1626) Scripture clearly says Methuselah is 969 years old when he dies; which means if the flood really was in 1626, then Methuselah survives the flood by 30 years which is impossible because he wasn't on the ark.

So...... ???????

AND - According to Genesis, Abraham is still another 10 generations away! According to Luke; another 11 generations away!

So let's go on:

When Noah lived 350 years after the flood. The flood ended when Noah was 600 years old. (Genesis 7:6) It took him 120 years to build the ark. So Noah was 950 years old when he died.

Shem was 98 years old at the end of the flood.
Arphaxad was born 2 years after the flood.

Shem lives for another 500 years which makes him 600 years old.

Noah was 502 years old when Shem was born.
By the time Noah is 500 years old, he has Shem, Ham and Japheth.
Ham was probably born when Noah was 500 years old.

Genesis 9:24 says Ham was the youngest. Japheth is the oldest. Scripture does not record how old Japheth or Ham were when they died.

Arphaxad who is Shem's son is 438 when he dies. (Genesis 11:10)
Shem is 100 years old when Arphaxad is born two years after the flood. (vs 10)

Shem lives 500 years after Arphaxad is born. (vs 11)
Shem outlives Arphaxad by 60 years.
Shem dies 502 years after the flood.

Arphaxad is 35 years old when Salah is born. (vs 12)
Shem is 135 years old when Salah is born
Salah lives 433 years (Ad vs 12 to vs 15)
500 - 135 = 365 years Shem lives after Salah is born.
433 - 365 = 68 years Salah lives past Shem.
Salah dies 600 years after the flood.

Salah is 30 when Ebner is born.
Salah lives 398 years after Ebner is born.
Ebner lives 464 years.
464 - 398 = 66 years Ebner lives past Salah.
Ebner dies 666 years past the flood.

1656 + 666 = 2322 years have passed since creation.

Peleg is born when Ebner is 34 years old.
Peleg lives 320 years.
Ebner lives 464 years.
Ebner outlives his son Peleg by 110 years.
Reu is born when Peleg is 30 years old.
Reu lives 239 years.
Peleg lives 320 years
320 - 30 = 290 years Peleg lives after Reu is born.
Peleg outlives his son Reu by 51 years.
Ebner outlives his grandson Reu by 59 years.

Reu is 32 when Seru is born.
Seru lives 230 years.
239 - 32 = 207 years Rue lives after Seru is born.
Seru outlives Rue by 23 years.

Ebner now has outlived his great grandson Seru by 36 years.
Seru is 30 years old when Nahor is born.
Nahor lives 148 years.

Seru at this point has outlived Nahor by 52 years.
Ebner now has outlived his great great grandson Nahor by 88 years.
Nahor is 29 years old when Tarah is born.

Tarah lives 205 years.
Terah outlives his father Nahor by 86 years.
Ebner at this point has outlives his great great great grandson Terah by 2 years.

Tarah is 70 by the time Abraham, Nahor and Haran are born. (vs 27)

The text says Tarah outlived his son Haran. This is the first place where the text says a father outlives a son. Yet we have this great great great grandfather that's outlived 4 other generations?

205 - 70 = 135 years Abraham has lived until Tarah dies.
Abraham lives to be 175.
175 - 135 = 40 years Abraham lives past Tarah.

2322 + 40 = 2362 years (allegedly) since creation.

Obviously something is wrong with the timeline though if you have Methuselah dying 30 years after the flood is over.

Ebner outlives 4 other generations and the text doesn't mention that? Nor does the text mention Methuselah outlives all these other generations too; yet it says Terah outlives Haran?

Then there is an extra "Cainan" in the genealogy in Luke that does not exist in Genesis.

So how do you make it all "jive"? The only way you can is line the patriarchs ages up end to end unless the text tells you its a direct father son relationship by "and called his name".

 

[The Righterzpen]

Jesus was 40 when He died?

Jesus was about 6 months shy of turning 40 when He died. He was most likely born in the fall / early winter of 7 BC during the Feast of Tabernacles and He died on the Passover of 33 AD.

There's no "year 0" so that makes Him 39.5 years old give or take a month or two when He dies.

 

[The Righterzpen]

Unless you can show a chart from a source that proves your point.

This website has some problems in what they think about whether or not people are still being redeemed; but they do have the timeline right.

BibilicalTimelineOfHistory

Here's another interesting article:

Ancient Pattern Supports Camping's Timeline - BibleCalculator.com

And another correlation from the movie Patterns of Evidence that puts the Exodus in the same time as "Biblical Timeline Of History" and Camping's Bible calendar.

Patterns of Evidence: Exodus • Bible Study With Randy

 

[BABerean2]

"We have been played... There is no pandemic." Pastor John MacArthur



John MacArthur has struggled with the State of California to keep the doors of his church open during recent weeks. At the end of this short video MacArthur reveals who is responsible for the deception.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


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[The Righterzpen]

Pastor Sam Storms also believes there may be a time at the end when Satan will make war upon the Church.

This video you posted was good. I agree with a lot of what the guy says. And he's definitely right about the points he makes regarding:

1. Having to believe there's death during the dispensational view of the millennial reign.
2. Having to believe this reign takes place on a corrupt earth.
3. Having Satan loosed to deceive the nations again at the end of this reign.

# 3. is the one that makes the least sense to me. For if all dominion and power is given to Christ and this is suppose to be a glorious reign; how does Satan play into that, in any way???

He's also right what he says about Matthew 24 "Son of man coming in the clouds of glory". In Daniel He's "coming in the clouds of heaven to the Ancient of Days". We pick that up in Revelation 5 "the lamb that was slain" opens the seals of the scroll. That happened immediately upon Christ's death. This is why Jesus says to the thief "Today you will be with me in Paradise." He ascended to heaven at the point that he died, even though His body went into the grave.

The "great tribulation" commenced the Friday before the cross and ended on Passover when Jesus was confronted with the angel of death. That was the point Jesus's soul was consigned to Sheol as part of the atonement. Jesus completed the rest of the atonement in one sense as "dead man walking". If He didn't have a Divine nature also, the confrontation with the angel would have killed Him.

By the time you get to his dying on the cross; that happened because the Divine nature was rent from what was left of the human nature.

Then back to Matthew 24 - "Immediately after the tribulation is the sun darkened and the moon does not give its light." The sun was darkened at the crucifixion. "Signs in the sun, moon and stars" "The powers of heaven are shaken". At that point the cosmos had begun to come unraveled because if Jesus didn't complete the atonement, that would have precipitated the destruction of the cosmos. That would have been the end and "no flesh would be saved".

"The tribes of the earth mourn" was all those still in Sheol who did not escape when Christ died. At the point His soul left Sheol and took all those who'd He atoned for with Him; those left behind knew for sure they'd eventually be cast into the Lake of Fire.

Then the statements Jesus says about "this generation" will see these things come to pass; remains true that in all who are unredeemed and die; know exactly from the point of death, where they will spend eternity. If they don't ascend into heaven upon death; they would know they are condemned at that point.

I also think the guy is "spot on" when he talks about the deception (persecution) of the true believers and the unraveling of "common grace" in society as a whole.

I agree with him on this point too. There are some parallels from the 1st century that we now see happening on a global scale that only applied "politically" to Israel and the Roman Empire in the 1st century.

The first beast in Revelation 13 is apostate (Talmudic) Judaism and the second beast is apostate Christianity that compels the world to worship apostate Judaism. This whole dispensational concept of some "other plan" for Israel, is part of that whole apostasy.

Then we have the Scripture "the Jews demand a sign". What do you see surfaced in the church particularly post WWII? (a "revival" of "those seeking after a sign". Why is this? Because they literally "worship Israel".

And here is where this spreads very obviously into the political realm. A law was just passed through the US congress that criticizing Isreal is now "hate speech". You can publicly criticize Russia, China, Spain, and even the US; but not Isreal? What's up with that??? And then you can get tossed in jail in Europe for raising certain questions about the accuracy of the historical narrative the mainstream media has present to us all. (Particularly about WWII.)

And I don't know how much this guy has recognized how certain political powers that be are working to manipulate the world into "bringing about" the dispensational eschatological schema regarding rebuilding the temple, bringing back animal sacrifices; the whole anti-Christ / man of sin / mark of the beast.... etc. etc. etc. Telling all the "christians" that they don't have to worry about it because they will be raptured.

Now how bad this gets in regards to political persecution in particularly the US; remains to be seen; yet note the vehement hate anyone who does not agree with this eschatological schema becomes on the receiving end of. Much of the "martyrdom" seen today especially where western christianity is predominant, is seen in the apostasy of the "church". Finding a Scripturally sound church that actually displays brotherly love "all the way around" is very difficult!

They either have "a form of godliness but deny the power there of" (friendly people orientated churches that don't actually preach the gospel) or they fairly accurately preach the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, but are full of internal conflicts. I've seen that scenario in multiple historically doctrinally reformed churches.

So yeah, this whole pandemic, what will this eventually "shape into" politically with this whole Illuminati / one world government scenario; remains to be seen. It does beg the question what will be the next "release the hounds / FED / arrests / virus round #2 / kill the economy..." Pick something.... How long we got left before Christ returns? We may know relatively shortly!

But Yeah @BABerean2 - this video gets a "thumbs up" from me!

 

[The Righterzpen]

"We have been played... There is no pandemic." Pastor John MacArthur

John MacArthur has struggled with the State of California to keep the doors of his church open during recent weeks. At the end of this short video MacArthur reveals who is responsible for the deception.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
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I listened to this video and yet I don't wonder if this very thing is part of the "climate of deception" concerning the end.

I listened to MacArthur's "6% statement" and then went back and looked at the CDC's site. The "6%" statement is misleading because the impact this coronavirus has on the lives of people with other health conditions is real. We see the same thing with influenza. Not too many health people die of "strait up influenza"; but people with other issues certainly do.

And here's the political aspect of the "Covid numbers debate" that drives me crazy. Someone with comorbidities, where the acute illness that kills them is influenza, is still counted as an influenza death. Yet if you have comorbidities and Covid; you shouldn't be counted as a Covid death??? Why does one set of rules apply to one disease but not another?

Then the "6%" tweet also neglects to address the other data on the CDC web sight of "above and beyond normal death toll for given year / time of year". There is a notable and definitive spike in deaths. Statistically significantly more numbers of people are dying now than were dying back in November and December of last year; and certainly more people are dying now than died this time last year. The stat is running significantly above the normal death toll.

AND from what we know of researchers' ability to cobble together chimeric viruses; why create a fake pandemic when you can just as easily create a real one? And if the ultimate goal of the global elite is to reduce the global population; why not create a real pandemic?

This makes me wonder what else is about to "escape" from a lab somewhere???? For what? So the CDC can "be right" in the end? What makes anyone think these people wouldn't do something like that? Anyone with a little bit of critical thinking skills and the mindset to say "Let me examine this a bit more closely" certainly sees that they've "pulled off" a particular narrative many times in the past!

And now all these churches proclaiming they are the victims of governmental persecution because of this virus? Give society enough rope to hang itself and then "release the hounds".

Like sheep led to the slaughter!

John 2:23 - 24
Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men, And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.

Proverbs 22:3
A prudent man foresees the evil, and hides himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.

(I don't trust any of them!)

 

[TribulationSigns]

Jesus was about 6 months shy of turning 40 when He died. He was most likely born in the fall / early winter of 7 BC during the Feast of Tabernacles and He died on the Passover of 33 AD.

There's no "year 0" so that makes Him 39.5 years old give or take a month or two when He dies.

Hummm....any chance that you have borrowed the timeline authored by Tony Warren in 1996?

The Biblical Timeline of Creation

 

[BABerean2]

Who is W.H.O. (World Health Organization) and how is it related to COVID-19 ?

Why is the head of this organization not a medical doctor?

How is the man associated with Bill Gates?

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[The Righterzpen]

Hummm....any chance that you have borrowed the timeline authored by Tony Warren in 1996?

The Biblical Timeline of Creation

Don't think I've ever heard of him; but, I'd have to read the article you posted.

 

[BABerean2]

Fauci says... "Put on your goggles."

What will be next?


The Liberty Report, Dr. Ron Paul:

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[claninja]

Based on the tone of our conversation up to this point, it does not look like any source I use would satisfy you as "reputable sources".

Most likely not. While reputable sources may report on conspiracy theories, they typically don't advocate for them due to lack of evidence.

You heard Cronkite and his friends laugh at the coming of the Messiah, and you made excuses for his comment about being willing to sit at the right hand of Satan to help bring about world government. You appear to look at the World Federalists much differently than I do.

I heard Walter Cronkite and those of the World Federalist movement laughing at the expense of Pat Robertson's beliefs. Considering Pat Robertson has made 2 false predictions of the end of the world in the past (1982 and 2007), it's not too concerning to me.

Bill Gates has clearly said he believes every person on the planet should be vaccinated. Gates has also clearly advocated a cashless society, with every person on the planet having a unique number. I take the man at his word.

Yes, vaccines prevent diseases, so it's understandable that Bill gates wants everyone vaccinated.

What you need to know about the COVID-19 vaccine | Bill Gates

Here is the source of Bill Gates "cashless society"

Financial Services for the Poor

Do you have a driver's license or state ID or passport? then you also have a unique number assigned to your name.

Making the world’s invisible people, visible | Bill Gates

I believe the scriptures teach a future time when Satan is released from the pit and the whole world is deceived. You seem to believe otherwise.

That would be based off of an interpretation of revelation without the use of the epistles and gospels.

Based on the Gospels and Epistles, Satan was already waging war against the church and was able to deceive in the 1st century.

2 Corinthians 11:13-14 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

Ephesians 2:2 in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience.

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

1 thessalonians 2:14-18 For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea. For you suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they did from the Jews,f 15who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, and displease God and oppose all mankind 16by hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles that they might be saved—so as always to fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them at last!gBut since we were torn away from you, brothers, for a short time, in person not in heart, we endeavored the more eagerly and with great desire to see you face to face, 18because we wanted to come to you—I, Paul, again and again—but Satan hindered us.

Pastor Sam Storms also believes there may be a time at the end when Satan will make war upon the Church.

Considering the last days began at Jesus' 1st advent, then yes, as evidenced by the gospels and epistles, satan was persecuting and attempting to deceive the church already in the 1st century.

Acts 2:16-17 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people.

Hebrews 9:26 Otherwise, Christ would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now these things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.

1 Peter 4:7 The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear-minded and sober, so that you can pray.

1 corinthians 7:29-31 What I am saying, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none; those who weep, as if they did not; those who are joyful, as if they were not; those who make a purchase, as if they had nothing; and those who use the things of this world, as if not dependent on them. For this world in its present form is passing away.

I still love you, Brother.

Right back at you brother.

 

[BABerean2]

Most likely not. While reputable sources may report on conspiracy theories, they typically don't advocate for them due to lack of evidence.



I heard Walter Cronkite and those of the World Federalist movement laughing at the expense of Pat Robertson's beliefs. Considering Pat Robertson has made 2 false predictions of the end of the world in the past (1982 and 2007), it's not too concerning to me.




Yes, vaccines prevent diseases, so it's understandable that Bill gates wants everyone vaccinated.

What you need to know about the COVID-19 vaccine | Bill Gates

Here is the source of Bill Gates "cashless society"

Financial Services for the Poor

Do you have a driver's license or state ID or passport? then you also have a unique number assigned to your name.

Making the world’s invisible people, visible | Bill Gates




That would be based off of an interpretation of revelation without the use of the epistles and gospels.

Based on the Gospels and Epistles, Satan was already waging war against the church and was able to deceive in the 1st century.

2 Corinthians 11:13-14 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

Ephesians 2:2 in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience.

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

1 thessalonians 2:14-18 For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea. For you suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they did from the Jews,f 15who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, and displease God and oppose all mankind 16by hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles that they might be saved—so as always to fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them at last!gBut since we were torn away from you, brothers, for a short time, in person not in heart, we endeavored the more eagerly and with great desire to see you face to face, 18because we wanted to come to you—I, Paul, again and again—but Satan hindered us.





Considering the last days began at Jesus' 1st advent, then yes, as evidenced by the gospels and epistles, satan was persecuting and attempting to deceive the church already in the 1st century.

Acts 2:16-17 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people.

Hebrews 9:26 Otherwise, Christ would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

1 Corinthians 10:11 Now these things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.

1 Peter 4:7 The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear-minded and sober, so that you can pray.

1 corinthians 7:29-31 What I am saying, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none; those who weep, as if they did not; those who are joyful, as if they were not; those who make a purchase, as if they had nothing; and those who use the things of this world, as if not dependent on them. For this world in its present form is passing away.






Right back at you brother.

When men openly say they want to bring about a global government, how can it be a "theory"?


If two or more people work together for a common goal, is it a "conspiracy"?
What does the word "conspire" mean?


Are you saying Christians do not need to worry about a one world government during a future time?


The Marks of the Beast: Pastor Chuck Baldwin

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[Gregory Thompson]

Can governments force you to be vaccinated?

Can they also force you to take a digital tattoo to prove you have been vaccinated?

The following is a debate between Robert Kennedy Jr., who is the son of JFKs brother, and attorney Alan Dershowitz, who recently defended the president against impeachment.

Deshowitz has said the government has a right to hold you down, and plunge a needle into your arm. He is one of the president's lawyers.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

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Since the mark of the beast mimicks the Phylacteries, it is possible that taking communion at a church of the antichrist who is also named Jesus is the mark of the beast.

A good clue here is in the Catholic Catechism, where there is a "sacramental economy" (this is a figure to illustrate that "economy" can be used in different contexts than mammon, not a commentary on any one church in particular)

There's this sense of buying of the riches of God without money, but what if it were quantified? and what if it was made impossible to get any spiritual support without relying on this evil support system?

If there is a mark, it's most likely figurative, since the revelation uses figurative language.