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According to Enoch, the Nephilim were 4500 ft tall, so some said that is a mistake it should be 450---OK
You call that normal?

This is describing the offspring.. Not the fallen angels. They can be perfectly the same size as humans.. as we already know.



Sons of God were those men that followed God. And the bible, even in the OT has many instances were God call us His children and He our Father .

There are other areas in the scripture where the language used is the same as in Genesis for "Son's of God". It is, in those cases, indicating angelic beings. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7

Also, the text says "Son's of God" and "daughters of man".... See the contrast?

Who Are the Sons of God in Genesis 6?

In 1 Peter 3:18–22, Peter refers to spirits in prison because they disobeyed in Noah’s day (1 Pet. 3:19–20). Though disputed, the word “spirits” most likely refers to evil spirits (cf. Matt. 8:16; 12:45; Luke 4:36; 10:20; Acts 19:12–16). The connection of these spirits with Noah’s day points strongly to Genesis 6. That these “spirits in prison” are fallen angels is further confirmed by similar passages in 2 Peter and Jude.



No, they do not, that is why they are not canon, even in the Jewish canon.

A history book is not wrong.. just because it is not canonical.... Or... we are in big trouble.

These books are used by theologians constantly.

And, yes.. they support the canon.



Again---appearing as human does not make them actually human. Fallen angels posses people, they can not become human, only impersonate or posses.
You showed me nothing about Lot and the angels except that human men found them desirable---the same human men who find other men desirable and even animals.

So, we can conclude that there is no evidence that they can.... and no evidence that they cannot have human genitalia...

Stalemate.

What human evolutionists make up is no better than what all this science fiction is. It is a stretch as big as apes impregnating human women.
Actually, this was done.. and although many of the offspring died.. there was a case that one did survive to adulthood.

Interesting, while sick.. story.

Angels can defy God, they can not procreate with humans and there is not one single prove of them doing so.

Except in Genesis 6 ... right?

There is only one verse that has been badly misinterpreted---that is all. There is, however, Jesus saying angels do not marry. He did not say---but fallen angels can. Angels care nothing about God's rules, why in the world would they then "marry" women--that is a human religious ceremony. And don't bother with that it is just "shyness" on the part of the translators for there are plenty of other places where there is no such "shyness" at all.

The exact wording is " and they took them wives ".

Jesus says:
Matthew 22:30

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30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

NOTICE: These are:
1/ Angels of God and
2/ In heaven.





I know how they arrive at it. I am saying that we and apes and we and angels ---are the same distance apart. Angels are not our kind. Jesus became human, He became lower than the angels. He is not their kind, we are not their kind.

How do you know how close angels can come to being human when they "leave their first estate"?

Back to this.. neither of us can prove or disprove that they can have human genitalia... remember?




There is absolutely no factual basis tgo state that angels can reproduce. Jesus said they do not marry, which means no sex. God does not create useless appendages that have no function. God's creations are perfect.

Already covered that. Angels of God and Angels in heaven..




There is not one verse that states angels created anything. It is a misinterpretation of one verse. There is no other basis for such wild speculation at all. They can impersonate humans, they can impersonate animals---they can not actually create---that is the realm of God alone, He is the creator. Anything else is totally not factual and blasphemous.
They can change to look identical to a human..
Again.. we discussed this...




That is they have free wi8ll as do we. We can't actual create anything either. We can procreate, that is as far as our abilities to create goes. We can't make our own genitals change, except through surgery. And that still does not make a woman have the ability to impregnate another woman with a surgical penis. Angels can't either, they have no reason to have any child producing "equipment." When God made them, He did not make them male and female, they only have male names they do not marry. They have free will only, they can choose to go against God, they can not go beyond what He has allowed. Even Satan has to ask permission before he could harm Job. They, nor we, can ignore the command "after their kind." They are not our kind."

I'm pretty sure that angels are able to far more than we can in this life , place and time.


Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Yes, the angels did not stay with God---it does not say anything about 70 generations. And this is talking about the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, who in like manner went after strange flesh---not that the angels did. You are putting your own ideas into that verse.

OK, the 70 generations is from Enoch... However.. I'm pretty sure that a book that is quoted in the canon.. is pretty solid in it's content.

The Book of Enoch as the Background to 1 Peter, 2 Peter, and Jude




And who said that they couldn't repent? I didn't. I am saying that this theory has God giving the fallen angels the power to procreate after they fell, but then kills all their offspring. That makes no sense at all. He doesn't kill the fallen angels, but their chi8ldren and that after He gave them the ablity to have them. No---makes no sense. They were not able to procreate in heaven, and they remained unable to do so after the fall. Jesus is not a liar.

Looking at your quote again.. You said it was sick that God killed the offspring of the unions of Genesis 6. The reason He did was because the whole purpose of those offspring (fallen angel/human) was to corrupt the human gene pool so that Christ could not be fully human and could not save the human race.

And........................It almost worked.. Only Noah, his wife and his three boys were "Perfect in their generations"... So.. it was down to 5 pure humans on the earth.
 
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Site of the Ark? Graves? Proof?

Only thing i have ever seen my friend is wild youtube videos of them and photoshopped images!

Nothing scientific at all.
I was referring to your comment that we are taller than those in our past. There is no way of knowing that Adam and Eve, being perfect humans.. were not 8 feet tall. Is there?


I know that you need more proof than this, but this site offers some very interesting information.

I'm not totally convinced that it is the true site but it does raise my curiosity.. I mean there is no reason for it to be wrong.. just not proven true.

Noah'sArkStones
 
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This is describing the offspring.. Not the fallen angels. They can be perfectly the same size as humans.. as we already know.

Which is even dumber, 2 normal sized beings produce 450 ft children. Oh, yah, one is an angel and not human---so guess what---they can't produce children. Only in the minds of weird people with nothing better to do with their time and have not a clue about biology--human or otherwise. God said---after their kind. Somehow, people do not want to understand what that means. Angels are not our kind, they are above us, they are spiritual beings, we are not. They can not be seen unless they wish us to---we can be seen. The can not be killed by normal methods, God alone can destroy them. We have a normal life san, and we are easily killed. They can appear and disappear---we can't disappear. In short---we are not their kind and we have a command from God that can not be breeched---after their kind.

There are other areas in the scripture where the language used is the same as in Genesis for "Son's of God". It is, in those cases, indicating angelic beings. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7

Also, the text says "Son's of God" and "daughters of man".... See the contrast?

Who Are the Sons of God in Genesis 6?

In 1 Peter 3:18–22, Peter refers to spirits in prison because they disobeyed in Noah’s day (1 Pet. 3:19–20). Though disputed, the word “spirits” most likely refers to evil spirits (cf. Matt. 8:16; 12:45; Luke 4:36; 10:20; Acts 19:12–16). The connection of these spirits with Noah’s day points strongly to Genesis 6. That these “spirits in prison” are fallen angels is further confirmed by similar passages in 2 Peter and Jude.





VI. And Noach was a son of five hundred years, and Noach begat Shem, Cham, and Japheth. And it was when the sons of men had begun to multiply upon the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of the mighty[32] saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful, and took to them wives of all whom they pleased.[33] And the Lord said, This evil generation shall not stand before me for ever, because they are flesh, and their works are evil. A term (or length) will I give them, an hundred and twenty years, if they may be converted. Giants were in the earth in those days; and also when, after that the sons of the mighty had gone in unto the daughters of men, there were born from them giants who from of old were men of name.

TgOnk Gen. 1-6


4 the~Nephilim~s (הַנְּפִלִים / han'phi'lim) they~did~EXIST(V) (הָיוּ / hai'u) in~the~LAND (בָאָרֶץ / va'a'rets) in~the~DAY~s (בַּיָּמִים / bai'ya'mim) the~THEY(m) (הָהֵם / ha'heym) and~ALSO (וְגַם / wê'gam) AFTER (אַחֲרֵי / a'hha'rey) SO (כֵן / kheyn) WHICH (אֲשֶׁר / a'sher) they(m)~will~COME(V) (יָבֹאוּ / ya'vo'u) SON~s (בְּנֵי / bê'ney) the~Elohiym (הָאֱלֹהִים / ha'e'lo'him) TO (אֶל / el) DAUGHTER~s (בְּנוֹת / bê'not) the~HUMAN (הָאָדָם / ha'a'dam) and~they(m)~will~BRING.FORTH(V) (וְיָלְדוּ / wê'yal'du) to~~them(m) (לָהֶם / la'hem) THEY(m) (הֵמָּה / hey'mah) the~COURAGEOUS~s (הַגִּבֹּרִים / ha'gi'bo'rim) WHICH (אֲשֶׁר / a'sher) from~DISTANT (מֵעוֹלָם / mey'o'lam) MAN~s (אַנְשֵׁי / an'shey) the~TITLE (הַשֵּׁם / ha'sheym)

RMT: The Nephilim existed in the land in those days and also afterward, when the sons of the Elohiym came to the daughters of the human, and they brought forth for them, they are the courageous ones which are from a distant[51] time, men of the title[52],
Elohiym: (masc.: אלוהים / e'lo'him) MT: POWER~s RMT: Powers. Strong's: #0430

You are seeing what you want. I go by what God said---angels do not marry and after their kind. That ends it right there all you ar doing is flapping your gums. Man noir angel can go bey0nd what "God has said. He has given us free will---that does not include going beyond the limits He has set. That's why there are no elephant/seals, dog/turtles and so on. Hybrids after their kind and a lot of the offspring can not reproduce.

A history book is not wrong.. just because it is not canonical.... Or... we are in big trouble.

These books are used by theologians constantly.

And, yes.. they support the canon.

LOL!! History books have very much been proven to be wrong. And no, they do not support cannon, or they would be canon. There are theologians and then there are theologians! You can not use a non canon book as though it were canon. But then, truth and accuracy and the mind of God is not what drives this kind of bull.

So, we can conclude that there is no evidence that they can.... and no evidence that they cannot have human genitalia...

Stalemate.
Not as far as I'm concerned. It is clear that God does not make imperfect creatures. He did not make male angels with not needed reproductive organs, much less those that are compatible with human female when He expressly commanded---0after their kind. A statement that you refuse to comprehend the full meaning of and prefer to ignore.

Actually, this was done.. and although many of the offspring died.. there was a case that one did survive to adulthood.

Interesting, while sick.. story.

Total and complete baloney. Please provide your proof. And Please, not another one of those science fiction stories like the area 51 autopsies and mermaids.

Except in Genesis 6 ... right?

Wrong. As has been shown over over and over and over but you refuse to accept the truth and can not accept a command from God which prohibits that.

ow do you know how close angels can come to being human when they "leave their first estate"?

Back to this.. neither of us can prove or disprove that they can have human genitalia... remember?

So, they lost access to heaven, how does that change their anatomy? They can't grow what God did not provide in the first place. I have proven they do not have human genitalia---you refuse to accept the r4ality that God does not make anything that is not functional, He gave a direct command against that, and Jesus said angels do not marry---period. He did not say---except for the fallen angels.

Already covered that. Angels of God and Angels in heaven..

???Angels of God are different from angels in heaven?

They can change to look identical to a human..
Again.. we discussed this...

Yes, and y0ou don not comprehend. Appear human is not the same as "identical" to humans. Nothing in those appearances of them appearing human were of fallen angels they were all angels of God and none described any genitalia at all. They were all fully covered. And the demons are dec idedly, not human looking as you yourself said.

OK, the 70 generations is from Enoch... However.. I'm pretty sure that a book that is quoted in the canon.. is pretty solid in it's content.

The Book of Enoch as the Background to 1 Peter, 2 Peter, and Jude

Do not care about the book of Enoch, it is not canon and I do not take my doctrines from it. God's word over rides it.

Looking at your quote again.. You said it was sick that God killed the offspring of the unions of Genesis 6. The reason He did was because the whole purpose of those offspring (fallen angel/human) was to corrupt the human gene pool so that Christ could not be fully human and could not save the human race.

And........................It almost worked.. Only Noah, his wife and his three boys were "Perfect in their generations"... So.. it was down to 5 pure humans on the earth.

Except that God is very clear as to why He destroyed the world and blood lines have nothing to do with it.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Violence, evil, wickedness. That is why6 God destroyed the earth. Not one word about fallen angels or their progeny.
 
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Which is even dumber, 2 normal sized beings produce 450 ft children. Oh, yah, one is an angel and not human---so guess what---they can't produce children. Only in the minds of weird people with nothing better to do with their time and have not a clue about biology--human or otherwise. God said---after their kind. Somehow, people do not want to understand what that means. Angels are not our kind, they are above us, they are spiritual beings, we are not. They can not be seen unless they wish us to---we can be seen. The can not be killed by normal methods, God alone can destroy them. We have a normal life san, and we are easily killed. They can appear and disappear---we can't disappear. In short---we are not their kind and we have a command from God that can not be breeched---after their kind.







VI. And Noach was a son of five hundred years, and Noach begat Shem, Cham, and Japheth. And it was when the sons of men had begun to multiply upon the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of the mighty[32] saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful, and took to them wives of all whom they pleased.[33] And the Lord said, This evil generation shall not stand before me for ever, because they are flesh, and their works are evil. A term (or length) will I give them, an hundred and twenty years, if they may be converted. Giants were in the earth in those days; and also when, after that the sons of the mighty had gone in unto the daughters of men, there were born from them giants who from of old were men of name.

TgOnk Gen. 1-6


4 the~Nephilim~s (הַנְּפִלִים / han'phi'lim) they~did~EXIST(V) (הָיוּ / hai'u) in~the~LAND (בָאָרֶץ / va'a'rets) in~the~DAY~s (בַּיָּמִים / bai'ya'mim) the~THEY(m) (הָהֵם / ha'heym) and~ALSO (וְגַם / wê'gam) AFTER (אַחֲרֵי / a'hha'rey) SO (כֵן / kheyn) WHICH (אֲשֶׁר / a'sher) they(m)~will~COME(V) (יָבֹאוּ / ya'vo'u) SON~s (בְּנֵי / bê'ney) the~Elohiym (הָאֱלֹהִים / ha'e'lo'him) TO (אֶל / el) DAUGHTER~s (בְּנוֹת / bê'not) the~HUMAN (הָאָדָם / ha'a'dam) and~they(m)~will~BRING.FORTH(V) (וְיָלְדוּ / wê'yal'du) to~~them(m) (לָהֶם / la'hem) THEY(m) (הֵמָּה / hey'mah) the~COURAGEOUS~s (הַגִּבֹּרִים / ha'gi'bo'rim) WHICH (אֲשֶׁר / a'sher) from~DISTANT (מֵעוֹלָם / mey'o'lam) MAN~s (אַנְשֵׁי / an'shey) the~TITLE (הַשֵּׁם / ha'sheym)

RMT: The Nephilim existed in the land in those days and also afterward, when the sons of the Elohiym came to the daughters of the human, and they brought forth for them, they are the courageous ones which are from a distant[51] time, men of the title[52],
Elohiym: (masc.: אלוהים / e'lo'him) MT: POWER~s RMT: Powers. Strong's: #0430

You are seeing what you want. I go by what God said---angels do not marry and after their kind. That ends it right there all you ar doing is flapping your gums. Man noir angel can go bey0nd what "God has said. He has given us free will---that does not include going beyond the limits He has set. That's why there are no elephant/seals, dog/turtles and so on. Hybrids after their kind and a lot of the offspring can not reproduce.



LOL!! History books have very much been proven to be wrong. And no, they do not support cannon, or they would be canon. There are theologians and then there are theologians! You can not use a non canon book as though it were canon. But then, truth and accuracy and the mind of God is not what drives this kind of bull.


Not as far as I'm concerned. It is clear that God does not make imperfect creatures. He did not make male angels with not needed reproductive organs, much less those that are compatible with human female when He expressly commanded---0after their kind. A statement that you refuse to comprehend the full meaning of and prefer to ignore.



Total and complete baloney. Please provide your proof. And Please, not another one of those science fiction stories like the area 51 autopsies and mermaids.



Wrong. As has been shown over over and over and over but you refuse to accept the truth and can not accept a command from God which prohibits that.



So, they lost access to heaven, how does that change their anatomy? They can't grow what God did not provide in the first place. I have proven they do not have human genitalia---you refuse to accept the r4ality that God does not make anything that is not functional, He gave a direct command against that, and Jesus said angels do not marry---period. He did not say---except for the fallen angels.



???Angels of God are different from angels in heaven?



Yes, and y0ou don not comprehend. Appear human is not the same as "identical" to humans. Nothing in those appearances of them appearing human were of fallen angels they were all angels of God and none described any genitalia at all. They were all fully covered. And the demons are dec idedly, not human looking as you yourself said.



Do not care about the book of Enoch, it is not canon and I do not take my doctrines from it. God's word over rides it.



Except that God is very clear as to why He destroyed the world and blood lines have nothing to do with it.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Violence, evil, wickedness. That is why6 God destroyed the earth. Not one word about fallen angels or their progeny.
Look, I know a lot of people just cannot wrap their head around this.. That's fine... I will agree to disagree.

However, Someone built the megalithic structures and the multiple stone henges around the world.. that just coincidentally all line up on the globe model.

They also drilled hexagonal holes in very hard rock in times when all they were supposed to have was copper...

They also did masonry with rock harder than granite and made perfectly square corners that are sharp to this day. Not to mention that the bore holes in these hard rocks have a drilling rate, based on the number of turns per inch of depth of the hole.. that surpass what we can do today.

But... ya... sounds legit...

No wonder the Evolutionary Darwinian atheists look to "aliens" for answers to the impossibilities of these structures.

Meanwhile.. Christians say.. "Must have been the line of Seth".
 
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Look, I know a lot of people just cannot wrap their head around this.. That's fine... I will agree to disagree.

However, Someone built the megalithic structures and the multiple stone henges around the world.. that just coincidentally all line up on the globe model.

They also drilled hexagonal holes in very hard rock in times when all they were supposed to have was copper...

They also did masonry with rock harder than granite and made perfectly square corners that are sharp to this day. Not to mention that the bore holes in these hard rocks have a drilling rate, based on the number of turns per inch of depth of the hole.. that surpass what we can do today.

But... ya... sounds legit...

No wonder the Evolutionary Darwinian atheists look to "aliens" for answers to the impossibilities of these structures.

Meanwhile.. Christians say.. "Must have been the line of Seth".

Yah---and God forbid that when He created Adam and Eve they were giants (compared to us) who lived over 900 years and had perfectly functioning brains that we can 'ty even imagine what they were capable of doing. It simply could not have been God's perfect creatures that did all this things and and that the knowledge of what they did was also passed on down through Noah and his family. It can't be that the knowledge was lost over time and now it must be done by fallen angel half-breeds. People would rather have Satan and his half angel half-breeds doing all this than to actually consider that it was man himself with their God given abilities. But that, as scripture says, they used all their knowledge for evi8l and violence until God had enough and had to put them down like the rabid dogs they'd become. Nope, why should we take God's word for anything---we know better!! And science can prove that we have increased in intelligence and in stature now as opposed to those first people God created. God didn't create magnificent highly intelligent beings that did all this, for God only created Neanderthals who sat around a campfire gnawing on raw bones and grunting and we have through our own power evolved into these super intelligent creatures with smartphones.

Mat_24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

It couldn't be that only now are we getting to be as knowledgeable as the pre-flood people ---and as violent, evil and wicked, and any day now, God will once again have had enough?
 
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Yah---and God forbid that when He created Adam and Eve they were giants (compared to us) who lived over 900 years and had perfectly functioning brains that we can 'ty even imagine what they were capable of doing. It simply could not have been God's perfect creatures that did all this things and and that the knowledge of what they did was also passed on down through Noah and his family.

I would agree that this would have been a possible view.

However, Abraham knew Noah and Shem outlived Abraham... So, any knowledge or technology would have been easily passed on to Abraham and his children.. who we all know were the Jewish people.

Think about it.. Methuselah knew Adam... and he also knew Noah..

Anything Adam knew could have been passed to Noah... by Methuselah... AND.. then passed to the Jewish Nation through either Shem or Abraham.

In fact, when Joseph was born.. Shem was still alive for 41 years.

There is no evidence for your view.

It can't be that the knowledge was lost over time and now it must be done by fallen angel half-breeds.
Your sarcasm is truth.. It could not have been lost over time. I have pointed that out above.


Mat_24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

It couldn't be that only now are we getting to be as knowledgeable as the pre-flood people ---and as violent, evil and wicked, and any day now, God will once again have had enough?

Or... it could be that we are getting to be as evil as it was during that time.. You know.. evil thoughts continually, the earth was full of violence, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth... you know... that?
 
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I would agree that this would have been a possible view.

However, Abraham knew Noah and Shem outlived Abraham... So, any knowledge or technology would have been easily passed on to Abraham and his children.. who we all know were the Jewish people.

Think about it.. Methuselah knew Adam... and he also knew Noah..

Anything Adam knew could have been passed to Noah... by Methuselah... AND.. then passed to the Jewish Nation through either Shem or Abraham.

In fact, when Joseph was born.. Shem was still alive for 41 years.

There is no evidence for your view.


Your sarcasm is truth.. It could not have been lost over time. I have pointed that out above.




Or... it could be that we are getting to be as evil as it was during that time.. You know.. evil thoughts continually, the earth was full of violence, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth... you know... that?

The knowledge that was held eventually by just few, mostly of the priests of those that served other gods. They eventually died also. I am not talking about a few right in the Middle East, I am talking about those after the flood that were dispersed at the tower of Babel. They went to all parts of the world and took that knowledge with them which eventually died and were left with temples to human sacrifice.
So, NO!, your scenario is not the truth. Just of that which went on directly only with those of the Jewish lineage --I am talking about all over the rest of the world. All those things that you say could only have been done by the half-breed giants. Sorry---it's baloney. They were done by the people that
God created, with the abilities that they had---who were made in the image of God and distorted that image again after the flood and did evil with that knowledge. And God slowly took away that knowledge from them. But they continued on with their human sacrifices. You guys make a big deal out of the fact that these pyramids are everywhere, had to be done by those half-breeds. Ridiculous. The first great pyramid was the tower of Babel. The building of that was not done by half-breeds, but by men. And they took that knowledge with them when they were dispersed all over the world. So, of course, there were pyramids all over.
And yes, we are there now, as in the days of Noah---violence at every turn, no matter how hard some work to destroy child sex trafficking's---increasing world wide, even beastality is rampant in Europe--houses dedicated to these evil things. The disgusting practice of dog and other animal fighting rings--- Yes--I do believe God has had just about enough. I know I have. I'm glad I'm old and half dead. Tired of all this evil and violence. My little friend I've known since she was 16 is now over 40 with children, she's terrified of going anywhere---scared of some idiot wanting to hurt her and her children---because she is black. She's sweet and a wonderful mother, she was harrased by a white man in his car, chasing her going around in circles around her and revving his engine---for no reason at all. I'm white in coloring, I'm surprised she still talks to me. This has got to stop and God will have to stop this soon. Any excuse for violence, in the name of equality now our cities are being destroyed. No, makes no sense.
 
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The knowledge that was held eventually by just few, mostly of the priests of those that served other gods. They eventually died also. I am not talking about a few right in the Middle East, I am talking about those after the flood that were dispersed at the tower of Babel. They went to all parts of the world and took that knowledge with them which eventually died and were left with temples to human sacrifice.
So, NO!, your scenario is not the truth. Just of that which went on directly only with those of the Jewish lineage --I am talking about all over the rest of the world. All those things that you say could only have been done by the half-breed giants. Sorry---it's baloney. They were done by the people that
God created, with the abilities that they had---who were made in the image of God and distorted that image again after the flood and did evil with that knowledge. And God slowly took away that knowledge from them. But they continued on with their human sacrifices. You guys make a big deal out of the fact that these pyramids are everywhere, had to be done by those half-breeds. Ridiculous. The first great pyramid was the tower of Babel. The building of that was not done by half-breeds, but by men. And they took that knowledge with them when they were dispersed all over the world. So, of course, there were pyramids all over.
And yes, we are there now, as in the days of Noah---violence at every turn, no matter how hard some work to destroy child sex trafficking's---increasing world wide, even beastality is rampant in Europe--houses dedicated to these evil things. The disgusting practice of dog and other animal fighting rings--- Yes--I do believe God has had just about enough. I know I have. I'm glad I'm old and half dead. Tired of all this evil and violence. My little friend I've known since she was 16 is now over 40 with children, she's terrified of going anywhere---scared of some idiot wanting to hurt her and her children---because she is black. She's sweet and a wonderful mother, she was harrased by a white man in his car, chasing her going around in circles around her and revving his engine---for no reason at all. I'm white in coloring, I'm surprised she still talks to me. This has got to stop and God will have to stop this soon. Any excuse for violence, in the name of equality now our cities are being destroyed. No, makes no sense.
Thank you for explaining your view..
 
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Think about it.. Methuselah knew Adam... and he also knew Noah..

Huh. Did Methuselah drown in the flood? Guessing Lamech did? He didn't live that long. Methuselah->Lamech->Noah
 
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I wonder sometimes if the word 'giant' always means what we think it means.

If someone says 'he was a giant in his field' they don't mean: he was exceptionally tall for a brain surgeon. What they mean is, 'he was an exceptionally good brain surgeon who developed techniques that no one else thought of and taught others' or something to that effect. Food for thought.

When the Israelite spies go to Canaan and say 'no way there's giants in there!', they either mean - 'we see people that look strong and are bigger than us (maybe significantly bigger than us, like 6' vs 5' would be enough to do that no 7'+ required really)' or 'we are cowards and telling stories and hoping we can get everyone to turn back' or maybe both.

When Genesis says

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

... I'm not sure that has to mean "there were physically large 1000lb+ 8'+ people"
But that could mean metaphorically "giants among men" in terms of what they achieved and what they were capable of. "men of renown" Perhaps not just for their physical stature and combat prowess.

I wouldn't think that the primary characteristic of a human/"sons of God" mix would be a significant physical size increase - that seems strange. When you think of a "sons of God" in an angelic sense, what sort of physical bodies do they even have? Massive physical bodies aren't even attributed to aliens for those in the "alien intervention" camp. I would expect perhaps some different characteristics to surface though. An IQ of 140+. Or maybe higher. A different way of thinking and being perhaps. Especially if "daddy" keeps communicating with and took an interest in his offspring, which he would, unless he had just been motivated for selfish sexual reasons to engage in an action that produced one. Doesn't fit too well with a "sons of God" narrative... more like "escapees from a detention center". If they have any other motive (except maybe "pollute the gene pool for spite"), they take an interest, I think.

This also implies that

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Not just a random "seeding". Setting up franchises...

Either way the "and also after that" implies to me the "sons of God" didn't necessarily stop after the flood, at least for a little while. Might even be ongoing.

Look at the Parable of the Weeds in Matthew:

24Jesus put before them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was asleep, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and slipped away. 26When the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the weeds also appeared. 27 The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ 28 ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

So the servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ 29‘No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat into my barn.’ ”
 
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Either way the "and also after that" implies to me the "sons of God" didn't necessarily stop after the flood, at least for a little while. Might even be ongoing.

Followup question - if you are talking about spiritual beings, and if it is ongoing, would you even KNOW it's ongoing? Most people and thinking DNA/physical lineage/human intercourse/hybrid. But there's more to a human spirit than the physical and DNA. Would someone necessarily remember or even notice a conception influenced or initiated by a spiritual being? Particularly if they were already trying to have a child with a husband? Where does the spirit of the child come from? What is it's nature at the start? Who plants it there and when? And is it always who you think it is? What grows? Because it sounds to me like wheat is sown. At least it was at the start, and now is again through Christ. And it also sounds to me like weeds are sown. They definately were sown, and perhaps still are, not sure. Three sowers for every child - a natural human father, and 2 spiritual ones, and a lifetime to figure out which Father he belongs to.
 
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Huh. Did Methuselah drown in the flood? Guessing Lamech did? He didn't live that long. Methuselah->Lamech->Noah
Huh... Methuselah died just before the flood.. However, he did know Shem....Who knew and lived longer than Abraham...

Not sure what your point is.. Methuselah was the longest living human.. He did not drown.. He died of old age.
 
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I wonder sometimes if the word 'giant' always means what we think it means.

If someone says 'he was a giant in his field' they don't mean: he was exceptionally tall for a brain surgeon. What they mean is, 'he was an exceptionally good brain surgeon who developed techniques that no one else thought of and taught others' or something to that effect. Food for thought.

When the Israelite spies go to Canaan and say 'no way there's giants in there!', they either mean - 'we see people that look strong and are bigger than us (maybe significantly bigger than us, like 6' vs 5' would be enough to do that no 7'+ required really)' or 'we are cowards and telling stories and hoping we can get everyone to turn back' or maybe both.

When Genesis says

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

... I'm not sure that has to mean "there were physically large 1000lb+ 8'+ people"
But that could mean metaphorically "giants among men" in terms of what they achieved and what they were capable of. "men of renown" Perhaps not just for their physical stature and combat prowess.

I wouldn't think that the primary characteristic of a human/"sons of God" mix would be a significant physical size increase - that seems strange. When you think of a "sons of God" in an angelic sense, what sort of physical bodies do they even have? Massive physical bodies aren't even attributed to aliens for those in the "alien intervention" camp. I would expect perhaps some different characteristics to surface though. An IQ of 140+. Or maybe higher. A different way of thinking and being perhaps. Especially if "daddy" keeps communicating with and took an interest in his offspring, which he would, unless he had just been motivated for selfish sexual reasons to engage in an action that produced one. Doesn't fit too well with a "sons of God" narrative... more like "escapees from a detention center". If they have any other motive (except maybe "pollute the gene pool for spite"), they take an interest, I think.

This also implies that

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Not just a random "seeding". Setting up franchises...

Either way the "and also after that" implies to me the "sons of God" didn't necessarily stop after the flood, at least for a little while. Might even be ongoing.

Look at the Parable of the Weeds in Matthew:

24Jesus put before them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was asleep, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and slipped away. 26When the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the weeds also appeared. 27 The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ 28 ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

So the servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ 29‘No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat into my barn.’ ”
Maybe these pictures will shed some light on your queries:

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Helicopters, boats, submarines?

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Maybe these pictures will shed some light on your queries:

Not knowing the source of the pictures, I'd have to refrain from comment.
I would say though that sometimes both perspective and imagination can play a role
(as well as photoshop)

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Also, if I wanted to communicate the difference in wealth and power and influence between myself and say, a millionaire, and say someone impoverished, I might draw a heiroglyph that showed myself, someone 10x smaller and someone 10x larger than me; simple way to do it, and pretty effective.
 
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Not knowing the source of the pictures, I'd have to refrain from comment.
I would say though that sometimes both perspective and imagination can play a role
(as well as photoshop)

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Also, if I wanted to communicate the difference in wealth and power and influence between myself and say, a millionaire, and say someone impoverished, I might draw a heiroglyph that showed myself, someone 10x smaller and someone 10x larger than me; simple way to do it, and pretty effective.
Just to clear it up then... These are archeological finds of art and pictographs found in Egypt and other places of antiquity.

There are numerous archeological finds that depict giants and beings of larger size. There are also examples of things like helicopters, light bulbs and other such technology that is out of place in their time.
 
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He did not drown.. He died of old age.

Maybe... but he also was 969 (the year he died) when Noah was 600 (the year the flood came).
Poor Methusaleh!

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