Kylie's Pool Challenge, Mark II

[Speedwell]

The Bible answers the question "salvation from what?"..
The Bible answers the question "how did mankind become lost in the first place?"
The Bible answers the question "how is it that God is just, loving and merciful in creating mankind - then condemning mankind for sin -- then offering the gospel solution?"
The Bible answers the question "why did God Himself choose to die for the sins of mankind?"
The bible answers the question "how long as this broken system of sin, disease and suffering been going on ?"
The Bible answers the question "why do animals try to kill humans if God is the Creator of both?"
The Bible answers the question "what is the definition of marriage"
The Bible answers the question "where did the devil come from"
The Bible answers the question "What defines right from wrong?"
The Bible answers the question "is God arbitrary or just, fair, righteous, loving and merciful"

And there you have it: the truth of our salvation. Well done, Bob.

 

[SelfSim]

Yes you are disrespecting another’s beliefs...

“Unless you repent and believe the gospel, you will be judged by this evidence.”

That’s a threat. It may not be one that you devised yourself, but you repeat it.

Its also disrespecting human ethics .. but I'm not so worried because the argument is also based on a fundamental conflation of 'self' with the third person's (God's) believed words. This conflation leads to major contradictions in logic. The argument is thus fallacious .. regardless of any particular beliefs.

 

[Speedwell]

False accusation much?



How do I know you have not seen me hostile to other Christian traditions ??

Nothing in the Bible says "this is all a lie except somehow... and for some unknown reason... God the Son died for your sins... forget the rest"... as I am sure we all know.

Who does say that? Where in my posts or in my religious tradition is that ever said?

the very texts you claim are the most to be distrusted??

Where in my posts, or in my religious tradition is that claim made?

 

[Hammster]

Yes you are disrespecting another’s beliefs...

“Unless you repent and believe the gospel, you will be judged by this evidence.”

That’s a threat. It may not be one that you devised yourself, but you repeat it.

It’s no more a threat than someone warning another that the bridge ahead is out, and if they continue they will drive off a cliff.

The good news is only good if you know what the bad news is. We are all sinners in need of salvation.

 

[Hammster]

Sounds like a bronze-age Freud... I suspect he had no idea what a simple lack of belief is like. Do you believe in Horus? Anubis? Zeus? You know about them - do you deny that any of them is God? are you suppressing that truth? Are you doing so because of unrighteousness?

No, no, no, yes, no, no.

 

[Hammster]

And there are rules in place that supposedly deal with those clashes. To repeat, if I claim that your beliefs are false, that your Bible is fictitious, that your god was manufactured by man, I will almost certainly receive a penalty, as I have in the past.

The site rules claim that my religious stance will likewise be respected.

I’m not trying to be snarky, but this is Christian Forums.

 

[SelfSim]

... The good news is only good if you know what the bad news is. We are all sinners in need of salvation.

.. and that is the essence of a threat when it is underpinned by only a belief.

 

[Hammster]

.. and that is the essence of a threat when it is underpinned by only a belief.

Why didn’t you quote the whole post?

 

[SelfSim]

Why didn’t you quote the whole post?

Bridges, cliffs and drive are all objectively testable and so is the prediction made. 'Sinners in need of salvation' is your belief .. and is not objectively testable.
The comparison is not valid.

 

[Hammster]

Bridges, cliffs and drive are all objectively testable and so is the prediction made. 'Sinners in need of salvation' is your belief .. and is not objectively testable.
The comparison is not valid.

Maybe not to you. But to me, it’s the same thing. So deconstructing my post and taking a comment out of context is rather pointless if you wish to respond.

 

[Allandavid]

I’m not trying to be snarky, but this is Christian Forums.

Yes, that is somewhat snarky. Indeed, this is Christian Forums...but it has built within it several sub-forums that are free to non-believers to participate. And you also have a rule that says that ALL belief stances are to be equally respected.
When a ref makes a bum call, I’ve never heard him make the excuse of “Well, you’ve gotta expect that, because you are playing on their home ground after all”...

 

[Hammster]

Yes, that is somewhat snarky. Indeed, this is Christian Forums...but it has built within it several sub-forums that are free to non-believers to participate. And you also have a rule that says that ALL belief stances are to be equally respected.
When a ref makes a bum call, I’ve never heard him make the excuse of “Well, you’ve gotta expect that, because you are playing on their home ground after all”...

Let’s examine that. My belief stance is


Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
— Matthew 28:19-20

Will you respect that?

 

[Allandavid]

Let’s examine that. My belief stance is


Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
— Matthew 28:19-20

Will you respect that?

I respect that you have that belief, of course. People are free to believe whatever they like; I’m not in favour of ‘thought police’...

It’s a matter of what you do with that belief that is important. You could, for example, believe that black people are inferior; no one can prevent you holding that belief. But, come on a forum like this and begin voicing that belief, or attempt to ban people on the basis of race and you might just have a problem..

 

[Kylie]

Which still avoids the question. The question is can it be true? And the answer is yes, it can.

Not if there is some evidence that we can find from an investigation of the table that contradicts the document.

 

[Kylie]

I’ve quoted it before, and maybe you missed it. So I’ll post it again.


For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
— Romans 1:18-23

Yeah, and you don't get that it is extremely rude to come in and say, "My book tells me that your beliefs are actually different to what you claim they are, so I don't care what you say, because I know better than you."

 

[Kylie]

There are no contradictions. If you’ve actually done your own research, you’d know that.

Nah, there's just justifications that you've accepted and which I reject for being far fetched.

 

[Kylie]

I’m not disrespecting your beliefs. You willfully don’t believe in God, and your op is deliberately trying to suppress the truth. My belief is to share the gospel. I’m not trying to silence you.

Yes you are. You've come in here and acted like what your religion tells you about atheists is better than what atheists tell you about themselves. That's the very definition of arrogance.

 

[Kylie]

Your OP will lead to that.

You don't get it. Nobody goes to Hell because Hell isn't real.

 

[Kylie]

Where have I hear that before?

Perhaps that indicates to you how often you miss the point...

 

[SelfSim]

You don't get it. Nobody goes to Hell because Hell isn't real.

.. and what gets me is that it will be totally unclear where the response to your comment will be coming from .. Ie: will it be the human 'Hammster', or will it be the scriptures?
(Talking about fundamental conflicts and contradictions, eh!?)