My New Chronology on the Passion Week

[robycop3]

You believe this a translation error based on what? Your own opinion?
Even words in our modern English can look and sound the same, but they can have entirely different meanings.

For example: I can say that,

"The dog's bark could be heard all the way down the street, He scratched his paws against the bark of tree at the squirrel up in the tree (hoping to get the little guy)."

As you can see there are two words spelled as "bark" but yet they have two different meanings. These are called homonyms and they do exist in the Bible (as I am sure you aware of). If our language changed whereby one of these words had changed, and dictionaries were no longer available, you could conclude that this was a mistranslation if you lived hundreds of years from now. But hey, if you want to correct God's Holy Word, be my guest. I fear God too much to do that.

The KJV is NOT "God's word". It's an English translation of God's word, & an old, outdated one at that, with its share of goofs & booboos, some of which were pointed out to you elsewhere. And God's actial word is not wrong; mens' mistranslations are wrong.

The "hell" for "hades" goof in the KJV is one of its worst. It has JESUS in hell 3 days/nights! How SACRILEGIOUS is that ???????????? It has nothing to do with homonyms; it's just a goof by the KJV makers !

 

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The KJV is NOT "God's word". It's an English translation of God's word, & an old, outdated one at that, with its share of goofs & booboos, some of which were pointed out to you elsewhere. And God's actial word is not wrong; mens' mistranslations are wrong.

The "hell" for "hades" goof in the KJV is one of its worst. It has JESUS in hell 3 days/nights! How SACRILEGIOUS is that ???????????? It has nothing to do with homonyms; it's just a goof by the KJV makers !

It's not an error. Hell is simply another name for the realm of the dead we read about in the story of Lazarus and the Rich man in Luke 16:19-31. Jesus preached (announced a message) to the spirits in prison (i.e. those wicked souls who perished in the global flood) (See: 1 Peter 3:19-20). Paradise or Abraham's bosom is where Lazarus went to in Luke 16:19-31. This is where Jesus also went to see the thief on the cross. For Jesus said He would be with Him in paradise. Jesus said He would be in the heart of the Earth. This is sheol or the realm of the dead (a.k.a. hell, which is a broad term).

 

[robycop3]

No, hell is the lake of fire. You're merely trying to cover up one of the KJV's many goofs & booboos.

 

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No, hell is the lake of fire. You're merely trying to cover up one of the KJV's many goofs & booboos.

Based on your man-made limited reasoning and opinion, and not by looking at all of the facts. I say this because you have no clue about biblical numerics and or indicators in the text that show that both the original language manuscript copies, and the King James as being divine in origin from GOD. If you want to destroy the faith entirely of those who believe the King James is the pure Word of God (and possibly destroy their faith in GOD entirely), then please start another thread. For if what you said was true, I would no longer be a believer in Jesus. If GOD did not preserve His words for all generations as He said, and His words were not pure words, then I can make His Word say what I want it to say. Somebody would become their own arbiter of truth picking and choosing what Bible they want to make (By saying these words are false, and these words are true). But again, KJVO is not the thread discussion here. Please start another thread discussion if you want to talk about that topic.

 

[robycop3]

Based on your man-made limited reasoning and opinion, and not by looking at all of the facts. I say this because you have no clue about biblical numerics and or indicators in the text that show that both the original language manuscript copies, and the King James as being divine in origin from GOD. If you want to destroy the faith entirely of those who believe the King James is the pure Word of God (and possibly destroy their faith in GOD entirely), then please start another thread. For if what you said was true, I would no longer be a believer in Jesus. If GOD did not preserve His words for all generations as He said, and His words were not pure words, then I can make His Word say what I want it to say. Somebody would become their own arbiter of truth picking and choosing what Bible they want to make (By saying these words are false, and these words are true). But again, KJVO is not the thread discussion here. Please start another thread discussion if you want to talk about that topic.

You have no answer answer to the fact that hell is the lake of fire & hades/sheol is the temporary abode of the souls of the dead.

and the King James as being divine in origin from GOD.

That's just about the MOST-RIDICULOUS thing you've said yet! And it's stupidity like this that keeps me attacking the false KJVO myth ! If the KJV were Divine in origin, it'd be perfect, and it's been proven beyond dispute that the KJV is far-from perfect ! You really need to get that junk outta your head !

As for your chronology, I generally agree, but here's the true chronology in condensed form :

1.) Either the Jews will build a new temple in Jerusalem, or the antichrist will begin to come to power. (The AC may make it possible for the Jews to proceed without starting WW3.)

2.) When the AV reacher almost full power, he will commit the "abomination of desolation" in that temple, and implement the marka the beast. The rapture will occur shortly before he issues the "mark".

3.) The ACF will broker some kinda deal which'll cause Israel & her enemies to disarm; thus, Israel will be "a land of unwalled villages".

4.) The "Gog-Magog war" will occur.

5.) The great trib will begin.

6.) Jesus will return, cast the AC & false prophet alive into the LOF, & the "millenium" will begin.

I realize I didn't cite EVERY event, but that's just a general outline of the biggest ones.

 

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You have no answer answer to the fact that hell is the lake of fire & hades/sheol is the temporary abode of the souls of the dead.



That's just about the MOST-RIDICULOUS thing you've said yet! And it's stupidity like this that keeps me attacking the false KJVO myth ! If the KJV were Divine in origin, it'd be perfect, and it's been proven beyond dispute that the KJV is far-from perfect ! You really need to get that junk outta your head !

As for your chronology, I generally agree, but here's the true chronology in condensed form :

1.) Either the Jews will build a new temple in Jerusalem, or the antichrist will begin to come to power. (The AC may make it possible for the Jews to proceed without starting WW3.)

2.) When the AV reacher almost full power, he will commit the "abomination of desolation" in that temple, and implement the marka the beast. The rapture will occur shortly before he issues the "mark".

3.) The ACF will broker some kinda deal which'll cause Israel & her enemies to disarm; thus, Israel will be "a land of unwalled villages".

4.) The "Gog-Magog war" will occur.

5.) The great trib will begin.

6.) Jesus will return, cast the AC & false prophet alive into the LOF, & the "millenium" will begin.

I realize I didn't cite EVERY event, but that's just a general outline of the biggest ones.

Stop interrupting this thread with an off topic discussion please.

 

[WebersHome]

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There are two kinds of days defined in the first chapter of Genesis. One is a creation day, and the other is an Earth day.

God made a distinct difference between night and day on Earth; so that a day on Earth has never been a 24-hour amalgam of light and dark; rather, a day on Earth is when the Sun is up and, conversely, night on Earth is when the Sun is down.

● Gen 1:4-5 . . God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light day, and the darkness he called night.

● Gen 1:14 . . And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night

● Gen 1:16 . .And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night.

● Gen 1:17-18 . . And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness.

The final authority on matters of day and night is the Lord himself. He was actually living in Israel during crucifixion week so he would know better than anyone how to define those two physical conditions. When Jesus was here, days and nights were, at the most, only 12 hours each.

● John 11:9-10 . . Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.

This world's light is of course the Sun as per Gen 1:14-18. So then, when Jesus was here; day was when the Sun is up and night was when the Sun is down; meaning of course that the three days and three nights of Matt 12:40 indicate three times when the Sun was up, and three times when the Sun was down; i.e. relative to Christ's crucifixion and resurrection: days began with sunrise and nights began with sundown.

NOTE: Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by what's known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with the time of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when this world's light consists of less than 12 normal hours of sun, and sometimes more; but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always twelve regardless.

I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just a convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs; including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and evening sacrifices)

Anyway: it's quite obvious that the Good Friday model is unworkable because it's impossible to fit three physical nights between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning.
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[robycop3]

Stop interrupting this thread with an off topic discussion please.

Then, stop promoting the KJVO myth.

 

[robycop3]

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There are two kinds of days defined in the first chapter of Genesis. One is a creation day, and the other is an Earth day.

God made a distinct difference between night and day on Earth; so that a day on Earth has never been a 24-hour amalgam of light and dark; rather, a day on Earth is when the Sun is up and, conversely, night on Earth is when the Sun is down.

● Gen 1:4-5 . . God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light day, and the darkness he called night.

● Gen 1:14 . . And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night

● Gen 1:16 . .And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night.

● Gen 1:17-18 . . And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness.

The final authority on matters of day and night is the Lord himself. He was actually living in Israel during crucifixion week so he would know better than anyone how to define those two physical conditions. When Jesus was here, days and nights were, at the most, only 12 hours each.

● John 11:9-10 . . Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.

This world's light is of course the Sun as per Gen 1:14-18. So then, when Jesus was here; day was when the Sun is up and night was when the Sun is down; meaning of course that the three days and three nights of Matt 12:40 indicate three times when the Sun was up, and three times when the Sun was down; i.e. relative to Christ's crucifixion and resurrection: days began with sunrise and nights began with sundown.

NOTE: Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by what's known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with the time of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when this world's light consists of less than 12 normal hours of sun, and sometimes more; but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always twelve regardless.

I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just a convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs; including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and evening sacrifices)

Anyway: it's quite obvious that the Good Friday model is unworkable because it's impossible to fit three physical nights between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning.
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Personally, I don't observe any of those RC occasions except Easter. While I know Easter isn't in Scripture , there's nothing wrong with observing the resurrection of Jesus, the central event of Christianity.

I believe "Good Friday" came about due to mens'error in believing the "high sabbath" of the first 'Holy Convocation' of Passover Week was the regular weekly Saturday sabbath; thus, they thought Jesus died on a Friday.

I believe the Jews (and Romans) of that time/place used sundials, & waterclocks, called clepsydrae to mark time; thus, they had 12 hours of day and of night same as we now do.

 

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Then, stop promoting the KJVO myth.

Again, the thread topic is not about the KJV. I can express my belief in the KJV as the Word of God in passing (because it is a part of my faith), but that does not equate with my wanting to defend the KJV with you or anyone else within this thread. I know you will never see the KJV as the Word of God. Hence, why it is totally useless to ever talk to you on that topic. I will strive to never talk to you again about that issue again. Are we clear? So please just stop and have a little respect for the forum rules of not interrupting another thread. This thread is about discussing the Passion Timeline.

 

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There are two kinds of days defined in the first chapter of Genesis. One is a creation day, and the other is an Earth day.

God made a distinct difference between night and day on Earth; so that a day on Earth has never been a 24-hour amalgam of light and dark; rather, a day on Earth is when the Sun is up and, conversely, night on Earth is when the Sun is down.

● Gen 1:4-5 . . God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light day, and the darkness he called night.

● Gen 1:14 . . And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night

● Gen 1:16 . .And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night.

● Gen 1:17-18 . . And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness.

The final authority on matters of day and night is the Lord himself. He was actually living in Israel during crucifixion week so he would know better than anyone how to define those two physical conditions. When Jesus was here, days and nights were, at the most, only 12 hours each.

● John 11:9-10 . . Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.

This world's light is of course the Sun as per Gen 1:14-18. So then, when Jesus was here; day was when the Sun is up and night was when the Sun is down; meaning of course that the three days and three nights of Matt 12:40 indicate three times when the Sun was up, and three times when the Sun was down; i.e. relative to Christ's crucifixion and resurrection: days began with sunrise and nights began with sundown.

NOTE: Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by what's known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with the time of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when this world's light consists of less than 12 normal hours of sun, and sometimes more; but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always twelve regardless.

I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just a convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs; including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and evening sacrifices)

Anyway: it's quite obvious that the Good Friday model is unworkable because it's impossible to fit three physical nights between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning.
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This does not make any sense because Matthew 27:46 says that Jesus died upon the cross at the ninth hour. Obviously the Romans and everyone were not all hanging out at night outside the gate and waiting for Him to die. In addition, John 19:42 says, “There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.” Meaning, the next calendar day began at sunset. This would begin the Jews preparation day. So that is why they buried Jesus nearby at hand. Otherwise they would have violated the Jew's preparation day. In other words, they were limited on time. The day was ending at sunset and they needed to place the body of Jesus in a tomb nearby quickly. So the 24 hour day model is the only one that makes sense. Jesus was merely referring to the daylight hours when he referred to how there are 12 hours in a day and He was not referring to a calendar day.

 

[robycop3]

The preparation day, which began the previous eve with the eating of the paschal lamb, (The "Last Supper") is for preparing for the first of the 2 "Holy Convocations" of Passover Week. The Jews prepared their meals beforehand for the next day, as well as performing all non-essential work, so the next day's work was done beforehand much as possible. (They still had to care for the sick and babies, & do the daily animal husbandry.) The Jews wanted all 3 men on the crosses dead & taken down before sunset so they wouldn't be violating the coming High Sabbath.

Again, more than one person was, & is confused about the High Sabbath. Any special-occasion day was a sabbath for the Jews. All the regular sabbath laws were followed, along with those of that particular observance. This still applied if that observance fell on a Saturday. Thus, in Passover Week, there could be 3 sabbaths.

Ex. 12: 16 On the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and on the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation for you. No manner of work shall be done on them; but that which everyone must eat—that only may be prepared by you. 17 So you shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this same day I will have brought your armies out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe this day throughout your generations as an everlasting ordinance.

 

[WebersHome]

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Jesus was merely referring to the daylight hours when he referred to how there are 12 hours in a day and He was not referring to a calendar day.

● Matthew 12:40 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

● Jonah 1:17 . .The Lord provided a great fish to swallow Jonah, and he was inside the fish three days and three nights.

Jesus' chronology would be easy to figure out if it only counted his days; finding a slot for his three nights is a bit of a challenge.

According to the Good Friday model:

Friday night would be the first night

Saturday night would be the second night

Which night would be the third night?

Some folks have tried to make the three hours of darkness on the cross as the missing night. However, those hours don't count because they didn't take place while Jesus was in the heart of the earth per Matt 12:40.
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● Matthew 12:40 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

● Jonah 1:17 . .The Lord provided a great fish to swallow Jonah, and he was inside the fish three days and three nights.

Jesus' chronology would be easy to figure out if it only counted his days; finding a slot for his three nights is a bit of a challenge.

According to the Good Friday model:

Friday night would be the first night

Saturday night would be the second night

Which night would be the third night?

Some folks have tried to make the three hours of darkness on the cross as the missing night. However, those hours don't count because they didn't take place while Jesus was in the heart of the earth per Matt 12:40.
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That is not what Jesus said. Jesus said He was in the heart of the Earth for three days and three nights. It means exactly that. People are stuck in tradition that it is Friday when it simply did not happen that day clearly.

 

[robycop3]

That is not what Jesus said. Jesus said He was in the heart of the Earth for three days and three nights. It means exactly that. People are stuck in tradition that it is Friday when it simply did not happen that day clearly.

What are you going off on a tangent for ? He neither said Jesus was not in the heart of the earth, nor that it began on a Friday.

 

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What are you going off on a tangent for ? He neither said Jesus was not in the heart of the earth, nor that it began on a Friday.

Respectfully speaking: You need to carefully read what people write instead of jumping to wrong conclusions, dear sir. Please re-read post #33 and #34. I was not suggesting that he believed in the Friday model. I said the word “people” (which is a reference to people in general). He mentioned the Friday model in post #33. I referenced people in general about the Friday model as a response back to him.

 

[robycop3]

Respectfully speaking: You need to carefully read what people write instead of jumping to wrong conclusions, dear sir. Please re-read post #33 and #34. I was not suggesting that he believed in the Friday model. I said the word “people” (which is a reference to people in general). He mentioned the Friday model in post #33. I referenced people in general about the Friday model as a response back to him.

No matter who says it, the "Friday model" is false.

But you're right-I shoulda read closer. As I know you believe at least one false doctrine, I jumped to a conclusion. I apologize for that ! Now, if we can get the false doctrine outta your head...

 

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No matter who says it, the "Friday model" is false.

But you're right-I shoulda read closer. As I know you believe at least one false doctrine, I jumped to a conclusion. I apologize for that ! Now, if we can get the false doctrine outta your head...

And from my perspective: I believe the OAO (Original Autograph Only) position is a false doctrine (And I am so confident of this fact, that I am willing to die for such a belief). If OAO was true, I would not be a Christian today, but an unbeliever. I know. I almost lost my faith because of the false lies pushed by the OAO camp. So if you want to me to be an unbeliever, by all means (keep pushing your false OAO agenda in another thread).

Anyways, I know that my discussing this topic with you will not help you. I believe that only prayer for you to see will help you at this point for you to see the truth. But the KJB vs the OAO position is not the discussion of this thread. The topic of this thread is the Passion timeline. So lets please stay on topic. Thank you.

 

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Getting back on topic:

The Wednesday death, and Saturday resurrection model is the only one that works with three days and three nights if we are to literay take the words of Jesus as being true. A literal three days and three nights is 72 hours, and this only works with a Wednesday / Saturday model.

 

[robycop3]

Getting back on topic:

The Wednesday death, and Saturday resurrection model is the only one that works with three days and three nights if we are to literay take the words of Jesus as being true. A literal three days and three nights is 72 hours, and this only works with a Wednesday / Saturday model.

For once I agree with you! And 27 AD is the only year which would fit that model. And I believe you read the post where I offered evidence Jesus was born in 6 BC on our calendar.

A little aside - I NEVER said I held the "OAO" position, and I don't, but I have **PROVEN** the KJVO myth is false, & is from Satan. (No such critter as a "KJB"!) There's a thread in existence here where you may try to defend the KJVO myth, but I'll tellya aheada time it'll be in vain, as I have evidence & you only have opinion, hearsay, & guesswork.