Existing IN the Righteousness

[Behold]

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Reader..
if you will get this one thing i'm going to teach you...., if you can SEE THIS, and believe it,... it will revolutionize your faith and this will create you to be on the True path that pleases God, by walking in the Light which will allow you to rest in the peace of God that will deliver you from the carnal mind and engage you and sustain you within Right Believing.

Its like this, Believer...

A believer, born again, STARTS FINISHED.
The born again, when we are born again, we start finished.
What do i mean?
I mean that we begin our very first moment of our "new birth" as "the righteousness of God", having been given "the Gift of Righteousness", right from the beginning of our born again redemption.
We START Finished.
We Start RIGHTEOUS and remain so.

See, we dont start our born again life as on our way to becoming righteous later on, down the road, working it, trying to improve it....try to get there.
We BEGIN our Born Again Redemption as the "righteousness of God"..from the INSTANT we are SAVED.
That is what it means to be IN Christ.
We dont as the born again, get on the track of life and try to become more righteous over the decades...
NO. We BEGIN as "the righteousness of God, In Christ", before we even get on the Track of Discipleship.

We START = finished. RIGHTEOUS. "in Christ".... "the Gift of Righteousness". "made Righteous"..
See that ? ??
If you can SEE that God started your salvation from the instant He saved you, as you being completed as " MADE RIGHTEOUS", then you have seen GOD's Blood Atonement and "the finished work of Jesus on the Cross =as the GRACE of God, as it truly exists.

So, when you are able to see this LIGHT, when you can believe this LIGHT, that you start as a "new Creation in Christ" = RIGHTEOUS, from the instant you are born again, that very second, God made you RIGHTEOUS, as HE IS RIGHTEOUS.....then you have seen the literal effect of the Eternal Blood Atonement.
This revelation frees you completely.....It will destroy your bondage to "self" so that you stop trying to live your Christian Life trying to become or stay Righteous....but rather you SEE that you NOW Exist from the second you are born again, AS The Righteousness of God..... and you learn how to exist IN THIS PLACE of sustained perfect peace with God.. Romans 5, where all sin is forgiven. Colossians 2:13.

When you can SEE this, you will now begin to live in Hebrews 13:9, where you are meant to exist in FAITH.

Right Believing is to see yourself as God has made you to be.....instantly, = AS His very Righteousness.
You START there, FINISHED.... as that is what you have BECOME by being born again.
You START....finished, and you learn to walk in this Kingdom of God that is your place of Eternal Spiritual Existence.
You learn to Exist there, mentally, literally, in this MIND, as this is how you "work out your Salvation".
You work it out by understanding what you have BECOME, as "the righteousness of God", while you are STILL In this World.

You recognize that THIS has happened to you..= "As CHRIST IS...so ARE THE BORN AGAIN = IN THIS WORLD"... Today, Tomorrow, always.

THAT is what it means to be "born again".. and when you are able to SEE THIS, then you have finally begun to walk in the Spirit and exist in the Grace of God, "under Grace".

 

[5thKingdom]

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Reader..
if you will get this one thing i'm going to teach you...., if you can SEE THIS, and believe it,... it will revolutionize your faith and this will create you to be on the True path that pleases God, by walking in the Light which will allow you to rest in the peace of God that will deliver you from the carnal mind and engage you and sustain you within Right Believing.
Its like this, Believer...

Well... let's just throw away our BIBLES because this person
who follows the "Boaster Gospel" will tell us everything we
need to know. The Bible is now a thing of the past.


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[CaspianSails]

I don't know if it was so much boasting as communication. When one is redeemed by Christ one is imputed with His righteousness, we are not righteous in our own right. This is the grace of God. Christ is the author and finisher of our salvation. On the cross He cried it is finished. After the resurrection he ascended and was glorified by His Father for what He accomplished. We live in a strange place where the work of Christ is completed but it is not yet fully evident to us. Due to His righteousness we are righteous from the moment we are redeemed. We are justified before the Father. Yet while we are new creatures we have within us old habits and we the lusts of the flesh. This becomes the process of sanctification. Being made in the image of Christ. The Holy Spirit which dwells in and with us molds and makes us like Christ. We become gentle and kind, no boastful, not petty, not fleshly lets say and instead we demonstrate love, joy, peace, long suffering, meekness, gentleness and so on. In other words as we diminish He increases. We are made to be like Him. This is typically a long journey. As Paul said he wrestled with the flesh and found at times he did what he did not want to do and did not do what he wanted, ie he was carnal at times and it grieved him. This is a sure sign we are becoming like Christ. Even then it is not our righteousness it is the work of the Holy Spirit within. God be praised. Live as one who has been redeemed and who stands righteous before the Father. Live with joy, live in good fellowship with others, be honorable and do the work of Christ. He is sufficient and He is with us always. Then we can a live a victorious life in Christ. Remember whose you are, not who you are. From the moment of the new birth you are God's. Not perfect and still on the milk of the word. It is the beginning but even then you are righteous before the Father.

 

[Behold]

Well... let's just throw away our BIBLES because this person
who follows the "Boaster Gospel" will tell us everything we
need to know. The Bible is now a thing of the past.

My advice for you 5thkingdom, is to read a bible first, before you throw it away.
Also..

There is no "boasting", related to understanding how to live IN Right Believing, regarding "working out your salvation", according TO the principles Paul explains.
This is all simple Pauline Theology, and its all i LIVE and its all i TEACH.
Its all new to you, and that exposes you for all here to see and realize.
See...
Its Paul who says that we are to become "the fullness of the Stature of Christ", on EARTH...= which is to be "perfect".
Paul says that "as many as be PERFECT".
So, its not a boast, that Paul is proclaiming, or that im teaching.. that you can't comprehend.
To exist in "perfect", as perfected discipleship....Is supposed to be the reality of all who are born again.
That you argue against this, is just more Light of exposure regarding your very odd theology that is partly JW and who can guess what else...
We the BORN AGAIN = are to exist IN a perfected discipleship that is to live in "Victory", as Paul explains.
"If you walk in the Spirit, you shall not sin". , shall not be a slave to your lust, shall not be under the dominion of the Law.... shall not commit works of the Flesh.
= "PERFECT"

 

[5thKingdom]

There is no "boasting", related to understanding how to live IN Right Believing, regarding "working out your salvation", according TO the principles Paul explains.

Of course you preach the Boaster's Gospel.
You preach that men are NOT spiritually DEAD.
You say that man has enough life in them to work.
You say that man can create faith in their hearts and
when God SEES what a good work they have done then
God is OBLIGATED to save them. That is the BROAD WAY.
And the majority of the church agrees with this Boaster's Gospel.


But the Bible insists men are born spiritually DEAD.
The Bible says NO MAN will seek God, no, not even one.
The Bible says ALL MEN are on their way to eternal damnation
And, because of that fact, God must "choose" or "elect" who He
will save before the foundation of the world based ONLY on His Own
Good Pleasure. And sometime in their live He will "draw" His sheep.
All that He draws "shall come" to Christ and He will lose NONE.
This is the narrow way.


While the True Gospel says NO MAN will seek God.
Your Boaster's Gospel says SOME MEN will seek God.


The True Gospel says God is Sovereign and initiates salvation.
The Boaster's Gospel says Man is Sovereign and initiates the process.


One of these Gospels is the narrow way that leads to life.
One of these Gospels is the BROAD WAY leading to destruction.


The vast majority of Christians follow the Boaster's Gospel.
The vast majority of Christians follow the BROAD WAY.


Because MANY are called ["called" by hearing the Gospel]
But FEW are chosen ["chosen" or "elected" to become saved]


This is how the True Gospel is presented:
This is how His Sheep come to the Throne of God:


Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up
so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying,
God be merciful to me a sinner.


This is how you began this thread.
This is how the "Boaster's Gospel" is commonly preached.


Reader..
if you will get this one thing i'm going to teach you...., if you can SEE THIS, and believe it,... it will revolutionize your faith and this will create you to be on the True path that pleases God, by walking in the Light which will allow you to rest in the peace of God that will deliver you from the carnal mind and engage you and sustain you within Right Believing.


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[Behold]

Of course you preach the Boaster's Gospel.
You preach that men are NOT spiritually DEAD.

I teach what Paul teaches, which is what Jesus teaches.
That we have to be born again, because we are spiritually dead.

The reason God came to Earth to die on The Cross was to give us the "new Birth", which not only forgives all our sin, but it creates us as a born again "new Creation" "in Christ". = Spiritually REBORN. "in Christ".

 

[5thKingdom]

I teach what Paul teaches, which is what Jesus teaches.
That we have to be born again, because we are spiritually dead.

I do not doubt that you teach what you THINK the Bible teaches.
But that really does not mean anything when your teaching
contradicts a multitude of passages.

The ONLY measure of Biblical truth is harmony of ALL RELATED
passages and not just a select few.

In fact that is how most heresy exists... it harmonizes with
a select few passages... because any (good) LIE must incorporate
some Truth in it.

The reason God came to Earth to die on The Cross was to give us the "new Birth", which not only forgives all our sin, but it creates us as a born again "new Creation" "in Christ". = Spiritually REBORN. "in Christ".

Of course the accuracy of that statement depends on WHO
you mean by "us". Christ did not provide an Atonement
(which involves MORE than just the Cross) for everyone
ever born or else there would be nobody in hell, and hell
is heavily populated. Christ PAID a particular Atonement
for "His Sheep" and He loses NONE of them. That is the
only CONTEXT for the word "us" which you cite above.


And please tell me WHY you feel it necessary to use such
large letters... it does not give your words any extra authority,
and it only looks childish, and detracts from your message,
in my opinion.

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[5thKingdom]

I teach what Paul teaches, which is what Jesus teaches.
That we have to be born again, because we are spiritually dead.

No, you do not teach what Paul taught or what Jesus taught
or what ANY of the Apostles taught.


I have read you say that man needs to develop faith in his heart
and God will SEE that good work that man has done and God
will then (be obligated to - my words) save that man.


Whereas the BIBLE (all of it) teaches that men are born
spiritually DEAD and are not able to move toward God.
The Bible teaches that NO MAN will seek God, no, not
even one [Rom 3]. The Bible teaches that NO MAN
will come to Christ unless the Father "draws" them
and ALL MEN the Father draws "shall come" to Jesus
and He will lose NONE of them [John 6]


This is the exact OPPOSITE of your "Boaster Gospel"
which teaches that MAN is sovereign in the salvation
process and MAN initiates his own salvation then God
SEES what a good thing man has done and saves that
person.


While the True Gospel says NO MAN will seek God.
Your Boaster's Gospel says SOME MEN will seek God.


The True Gospel says GOD is Sovereign and initiates salvation.
The Boaster's Gospel says MAN is Sovereign and initiates the process.


One of these Gospels is the narrow way that leads to life.
One of these Gospels is the BROAD WAY leading to destruction.


The vast majority of Christians follow the Boaster Gospel.
The vast majority of Christians follow the BROAD WAY.


Because MANY are called ["called" by hearing the Gospel]
But FEW are chosen ["chosen" or "elected" to become saved]


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[CaspianSails]

Ephesians 4:32 comes to mind as do other such verses.

 

[5thKingdom]

Ephesians 4:32 comes to mind as do other such verses.

And I was thinking about Titus 3:10

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[CaspianSails]

Which of course would bring us to Galations 5:23

 

[5thKingdom]

Which of course would bring us to Galations 5:23

No, it would bring us to Galatians 5:20-21

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[Behold]

I have read you say that man needs to develop faith in his heart
and God will SEE that good work that man has done and God
will then (be obligated to - my words) save that man.

You should take more time reading what i actually write, as this way what you say would be honest.
For example, ive never said anyone needs to "develop" faith.
Ive also never said that faith is a work.
Faith is not a work. Its a change of mind from lack of faith to faith.
God himself has set "faith" as the one requirement that he requires that we possess..
He sees our heart, He sees our thoughts, and He sees if we have unbelief or Faith.
When we have Faith in Christ, God accepts this to save us..
"Grace through Faith". "Justified by Faith".

 

[5thKingdom]

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I said:
I have read you say that man needs to develop faith in his heart
and God will SEE that good work that man has done and God
will then (be obligated to - my words) save that man.

You should take more time reading what i actually write, as this way what you say would be honest.

Sir, I do not lie.
I have SEEN you write that man develops faith (deep) in
his heart and God SEES that faith and saves that man.
You absolutely preach a "works gospel" that man can
initiate his own salvation. That MAN is sovereign...
and God RESPONDS to the "works" of man.

Faith is not a work. Its a change of mind from lack of faith to faith.

But, of course deciding to have "faith" is a work.
The fact that it is a DECISION (by definition) makes it a work.
Many people are paid to "work" when they only make decisions
all day. It is a mental work just like digging ditches is physical work.

God himself has set "faith" as the one requirement that he requires that we possess..

That only shows how LITTLE you know about the Gospel.
Faith (real faith) does not come from man... it is GIVEN
to men as a GIFT OF GOD.


This is the "milk" of the Gospel buddy...
How do you expect to handle the "meat" when you
cannot even handle the "milk"?


Eph 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that [faith is] not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.


Read that again:
It says faith is a GIFT OF GOD...
not of men, so none can boast


That is why I (correctly) say you preach a "BOASTER'S GOSPEL"
because you pretend that faith comes from men ("yourselves")
when the BIBLE says it is GIVEN to men as a GIFT OF GOD.


Again.. this is the "milk" of the Gospel buddy.
You cannot preach the (True) Gospel when you don't know this.
You can preach a false "works gospel" or a "Boaster's Gospel"
but you cannot preach the True Gospel.

He sees our heart, He sees our thoughts, and He sees if we have unbelief or Faith. When we have Faith in Christ, God accepts this
to save us..

You are just hilarious.
At the start of this post you DENIED saying that God SEES
the faith that man develops... Above you say God SEES our
thoughts and SEES our faith.


You are just so confused you have no idea what you are
saying... but you are DEFINITELY preaching a "works gospel",
you are absolutely preaching the "Boaster's gospel"


Listen friend... you can design whatever "works gospel" you
want. But when you preach (as you do) that man develops
faith or belief you are preaching a BOASTER'S GOSPEL that
teaches that MAN is sovereign over God. You teach that MAN
initiates the salvation process and then God SEES what good
work man has done and God is OBLIGATED to save the man.


You make MAN Sovereign over GOD because you pretend that
MAN initiates the process and God responds to what man did.


The REAL Gospel teaches that NO MAN will seek God [Rom 3]
That God must GIVE men faith AS A GIFT [Eph 2]... God does
not just SEE man having faith, God GIVES man that faith.


Alright... I will be serious with you for a minute.
You are preaching a false gospel. You are preaching heresy.
God does not SEE what good work man has done and save them.
NO MAN can come to Christ unless the Father first "draws them"
and ALL MEN the Father draws "shall come" to Christ and He will
lose NONE of them [John 6:37,39,43]


In fact, when His disciples realized that Jesus was teaching
salvation by ELECTION many immediately abandoned Him
[John 6:65-66]


Now WHY in the world would anyone abandon the Son of God?
The answer is simple: They (like most men today) did not WANT
a salvation plan where God is Sovereign. The wanted a salvation
plan were MAN is Sovereign... where MAN can do something to
initiate his salvation (like "accepting" or "believing" or having faith)
and then GOD would be OBLIGATED to save them... in other words
they wanted a "works gospel" or a "Boaster's Gospel" where man
initiates his own salvation. But that is NOT the Gospel of the Bible.
And HERE is why it is important to follow the True Gospel:


Gal 5:20-21
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife,
seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings,
and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you
in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the
kingdom of God.


Gal 1:8-9
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


So you can preach that MAN develops his own faith or belief
and then God SEES that good work and is obligated to save them,
but you are preaching "another gospel", you are preaching a "works
gospel", you are preaching a "Boaster's Gospel" that says...
"just do what I did and you will be saved".


You have been warned.


Now, let me tell you what will happen now. You will either
(1) Ignore this post entirely (because it's embarrassing to you) or
(2) You will be deceptive and edit out certain PARTS and respond
with a strawman argument... or even DENY you said such things
(like you tried to deny the God SEES part at the start of this post)


Whatever you do... will not effect me in the least.
I was saved about 50 years ago and have walked with God
ever since. But you are effected by what you preach and the
reader is effected by the heresy you preach and THIS is what
happens to false teachers:


Jas 3:1
My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we
shall receive the greater condemnation.


As I said, as God is my witness, you have been WARNED
from Scripture. Read Ephesians 2:8-9 a dozen times before
you tell someone they can have faith and God will SEE their
good works. You are preaching "another gospel" buddy.


Jim

 

[CaspianSails]

No, it would bring us to Galatians 5:20-21

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And yet you believe it within the walk of a Christian to treat one who may be a brother without kindness.

 

[5thKingdom]

And yet you believe it within the walk of a Christian to treat one who may be a brother without kindness.

What does this verse mean to you?


Luk 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.


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[fhansen]

-
Reader..
if you will get this one thing i'm going to teach you...., if you can SEE THIS, and believe it,... it will revolutionize your faith and this will create you to be on the True path that pleases God, by walking in the Light which will allow you to rest in the peace of God that will deliver you from the carnal mind and engage you and sustain you within Right Believing.

Its like this, Believer...

A believer, born again, STARTS FINISHED.
The born again, when we are born again, we start finished.
What do i mean?
I mean that we begin our very first moment of our "new birth" as "the righteousness of God", having been given "the Gift of Righteousness", right from the beginning of our born again redemption.
We START Finished.
We Start RIGHTEOUS and remain so.

See, we dont start our born again life as on our way to becoming righteous later on, down the road, working it, trying to improve it....try to get there.
We BEGIN our Born Again Redemption as the "righteousness of God"..from the INSTANT we are SAVED.
That is what it means to be IN Christ.
We dont as the born again, get on the track of life and try to become more righteous over the decades...
NO. We BEGIN as "the righteousness of God, In Christ", before we even get on the Track of Discipleship.

We START = finished. RIGHTEOUS. "in Christ".... "the Gift of Righteousness". "made Righteous"..
See that ? ??
If you can SEE that God started your salvation from the instant He saved you, as you being completed as " MADE RIGHTEOUS", then you have seen GOD's Blood Atonement and "the finished work of Jesus on the Cross =as the GRACE of God, as it truly exists.

So, when you are able to see this LIGHT, when you can believe this LIGHT, that you start as a "new Creation in Christ" = RIGHTEOUS, from the instant you are born again, that very second, God made you RIGHTEOUS, as HE IS RIGHTEOUS.....then you have seen the literal effect of the Eternal Blood Atonement.
This revelation frees you completely.....It will destroy your bondage to "self" so that you stop trying to live your Christian Life trying to become or stay Righteous....but rather you SEE that you NOW Exist from the second you are born again, AS The Righteousness of God..... and you learn how to exist IN THIS PLACE of sustained perfect peace with God.. Romans 5, where all sin is forgiven. Colossians 2:13.

When you can SEE this, you will now begin to live in Hebrews 13:9, where you are meant to exist in FAITH.

Right Believing is to see yourself as God has made you to be.....instantly, = AS His very Righteousness.
You START there, FINISHED.... as that is what you have BECOME by being born again.
You START....finished, and you learn to walk in this Kingdom of God that is your place of Eternal Spiritual Existence.
You learn to Exist there, mentally, literally, in this MIND, as this is how you "work out your Salvation".
You work it out by understanding what you have BECOME, as "the righteousness of God", while you are STILL In this World.

You recognize that THIS has happened to you..= "As CHRIST IS...so ARE THE BORN AGAIN = IN THIS WORLD"... Today, Tomorrow, always.

THAT is what it means to be "born again".. and when you are able to SEE THIS, then you have finally begun to walk in the Spirit and exist in the Grace of God, "under Grace".

So it's kind of like being freed by pretending to be righteous? Placating ourselves by allowing non-righteousness to sort of stand in as of it were authentic righteousness? Deciding that God couldn't sanctify us if He tried-even though He made everything in creation good-and certainly not sinful-to begin with? Being snow-covered dung heaps, i.e. white-washed tombs which Jesus villified? We should just deny the idea that God has a grand purpose for man-one that He's working out even now as we begin to get on board with Him?

Sounds like we've not been pardoned at all, not released from our prison in that case, still slaves to sin rather than new creations capable of overcoming sin and fulfilling the Law with His help. No real change. Why does Isaiah 5:20 keep ringing in my ears?
"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."

 

[CaspianSails]

What does this verse mean to you?


Luk 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.


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It means that when Christ returns to set up His kingdom He will deliver punishment to those whom did not want Him to be King. However, I don't see what that has to do with brotherly love to those who are believers. Unless you believe that one who professes Christ is your enemy or in light of the verse is an enemy of Christ.