Breaking Mask Requirements to Red States

[Paulos23]

I can't recall hearing anyone sneeze in public in the last 5 months.

I have allergies and sneeze a lot. Needless to say I take drugs to not sneeze in public, or if I do, it is in the mask.

 

[jgarden]

Breaking Mask Requirements to Red States

July 13th, 2020 - USA recorded 65,488 new cases and 485 deaths attributed to COVID-19

July 13th, 2020 - Canada recorded 585 new cases and 7 deaths

Population of USA (2020) - 337 million

Population of Canada (2020) 37.75 million

Population adjustment factor 8.74

July 13th, 2020 - Canada with adjusted data (X 8.74) 5, 199 new cases and 61 deaths

Coronavirus Update (Live): 13,433,455 Cases and 580,028 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
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Given that Canada shares 5250 miles of border with America, one might assume that with the differences in population factored in, the Pandemic statistics comparing the 2 nations would be similar!

Such is not the case, which leads to the hard questions that this President and his supporters steadfastly refuse to address - what is America doing wrong?

 

[pitabread]

What is the problem people have with wearing a mask?

It seems that some people never grew out of petty, adolescent rebellion.

 

[-57]

I've got a serious question for you. I don't know the real answer because this is not my area of expertise by a long shot, but what if someone were to see a post like that and decide NOT to wear a mask and what if (just humor me for a second) the highly trained professionals at the CDC are RIGHT that it is an imperfect but still highly useful item to protect people...what if the person who decided the posted video was more correct than the CDC and they contracted COVID and died.

Does that bother you in the slightest? I'm not asking to be nasty here. It is something that always troubles me about posting "contrarian" material online. What if the experts are actually CORRECT and the viral video isn't?

(I'm not saying who is right or wrong, just curious how you, as a Christian deal with this sort of uncertainty. When I was a Christian the mere thought that I might do something that could potentially lead someone to death kept me awake at night. You may be made of strong stuff. I'm just curious how you parse this sort of thing. And, again, I'm not being snarky or nasty or anything like that. I'm honestly curious).

It is my opinion that masks don't work.
Part of that is based upon the 40,000 supermarkets in the country and the virus isn't spreading like wildfire in the supermarkets. So what does that mean? It means the virus isn't really in the supermarkets...and there's something fishy going on. So, how does the virus really spread?? What's really going on?

This is from Worldometer. Scroll down to the graph that shows Daily New Deaths in the United States....Why does the graph show a spike then taper off for about 7 days then spike again? Repeating the pattern over and over.

Why are many test sites in Florida only reporting positive cases?

 

[istodolez]

It is my opinion that masks don't work.
Part of that is based upon the 40,000 supermarkets in the country and the virus isn't spreading like wildfire in the supermarkets. So what does that mean? It means the virus isn't really in the supermarkets...and there's something fishy going on. So, how does the virus really spread?? What's really going on?

Yes, I understand it is your opinion, and you have a basis for it based on some random things you've read on the internet. I'm just curious if you are given pause when healthcare experts and professionals give guidance that indicates these are perhaps imperfect but helpful and SHOULD be used.

In a sense (at least this is how I frame it in my mind when I post something online): do I trust MY interpretation of the data over PROFESSIONALS so much so that I am willing to risk possibly leading someone to a dreadful error?

Like I said, I'm not saying you or the CDC are right or wrong (I'm more prone to believe professional scientists but that is me). I'm just asking how you come to a position of comfort by posting things which, if wrong, could hurt people.

(And, again, I can't stress this enough, this is a serious question I have especially when I post something online. I'm just curious how others square this particular circle).

 

[Sparagmos]

It is my opinion that masks don't work.
Part of that is based upon the 40,000 supermarkets in the country and the virus isn't spreading like wildfire in the supermarkets.

Aren’t pretty much all supermarket employees masked up? Those are the first places where I saw masks.

 

[istodolez]

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In cases like this I think this discussion has value, but that only goes so far. At some point those of us who are not healthcare professionals or disease experts need to listen to the people whose expertise this is. Regardless of what wonderful videos randos make and post on YouTube.

If masks are not perfect but they ARE helpful then the default should be just to wear them. If they did actual HARM then we shouldn't. So I am forced to go with the word of what healthcare professionals say. If they are wrong it is on them. But it is not up to me to post random YouTube clips suggesting people SHOULDN'T do this when the CDC and most healthcare experts say you should.

As others have pointed out it is not a perfect fix. But it's one of the few things we DO have.

And my actual question goes unanswered: how does one deal with the possibility that they are fomenting actions that could possibly lead to someone's death? (NOTE: again, I'm not sayin -57 is passing on good or bad info, just a "what if your random YouTube of a dude spraying aerosol cans at a set of masks" is wrong and the CDC and the world's healthcare experts are right?)

 

[RocksInMyHead]

It is my opinion that masks don't work.
Part of that is based upon the 40,000 supermarkets in the country and the virus isn't spreading like wildfire in the supermarkets. So what does that mean? It means the virus isn't really in the supermarkets...and there's something fishy going on. So, how does the virus really spread?? What's really going on?

Wait, your evidence that masks don't work is that supermarkets are not associated with large numbers of cases? What kind of backwards logic is that? If anything, the fact that supermarkets don't see a lot of cases is evidence that masks do work. After all, most supermarkets require them.

Furthermore, people don't spend a long time in close proximity to each other in the supermarket. Meaning that if there is someone infected there, you're unlikely to be close to them for more than a few seconds as you pass by them in the aisle. That limited exposure makes it unlikely that the disease will be transmitted.

This is from Worldometer. Scroll down to the graph that shows Daily New Deaths in the United States....Why does the graph show a spike then taper off for about 7 days then spike again? Repeating the pattern over and over.

Because different areas report their data in different ways. You generally see a spike on Monday because some places don't report over the weekend. Tuesday through Friday generally see a slight negative curve due to further data lag. Then Saturday and Sunday are generally low because, as I said, some states don't report results over the weekend.

 

[stevil]

Perhaps this is a good approach. Whatever works is good.
Make various pro Trump or anti left slogans, put the Flag on it to cater to the ultra patriotic, all lives matter, The perfect call, fake news, russian hoax etc
Whatever works is an improvement on current state.

 

[istodolez]

Perhaps this is a good approach. Whatever works is good.
Make various pro Trump or anti left slogans, put the Flag on it to cater to the ultra patriotic, all lives matter, The perfect call, fake news, russian hoax etc
Whatever works is an improvement on current state.

Agreed! Sometimes it is necessary to give up a little "pride" to help get everyone on the same page. It is clear that not all people feel it is necessary to believe experts and it is clearly onerous to do things "for other people". Whatever gets us to the goal.

 

[jgarden]

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Jun 24, 2020 - New US coronavirus modeling projects 180,000 deaths by October but 33,000 lives could be saved if 95% of Americans wear a face mask.
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Breaking Mask Requirements to Red States

A recent study from the University of Washington concluded that the lives of 33,000 Americans could be saved over the next 3 months if 95% of Americans wore masks outside the home - apparently that is a price that this President, his supporters and Republican governors are more than willing to pay not to suffer the indignity of admitting they were wrong and wearing masks in public!

 

[-57]

Yes, I understand it is your opinion, and you have a basis for it based on some random things you've read on the internet. I'm just curious if you are given pause when healthcare experts and professionals give guidance that indicates these are perhaps imperfect but helpful and SHOULD be used.

In a sense (at least this is how I frame it in my mind when I post something online): do I trust MY interpretation of the data over PROFESSIONALS so much so that I am willing to risk possibly leading someone to a dreadful error?

Like I said, I'm not saying you or the CDC are right or wrong (I'm more prone to believe professional scientists but that is me). I'm just asking how you come to a position of comfort by posting things which, if wrong, could hurt people.

(And, again, I can't stress this enough, this is a serious question I have especially when I post something online. I'm just curious how others square this particular circle).

What I have a problem with is the cry bullies who are shaming people who don't want to wear a mask....when the mask they wear do virtually nothing. They think they're being noble for wearing a mask that passes the virus trough the fabric and out through the sides. Some people mask you can look at the side of their face and see their nostrils.

What I've seen on the internet is far from random. I look at the science rather than the shame.

I use to be mask fitted for my job....and I understand what a fit test is. Even with a rubber face mask it's often hard to get a proper seal....the fabric seal is useless especially when you sneeze or cough and pressurize it.

Do I wear a mask? If the sign on the door says so. It keeps the Karens happy.

 

[-57]

Aren’t pretty much all supermarket employees masked up? Those are the first places where I saw masks.

Pretty much...and understanding the leakage of the mask and the employees being in the store all day...the virus should be spreading like wildfire in the supermarkets.

 

[LostMarbels]

"PROTEST IS GOOD, CHURCH IS BAD" Jim Jordan GOES OFF At Pandemic Hearing

 

[rjs330]

And don't forget as late as the end of March it wasn't recommended that we wear masks.

Face masks: WHO stands by recommendation to not wear them if you are not sick or not caring for someone who is sick - CNN

And like I said most countries still don't have mask requirements. So the US is after all not that horrible. We are pretty much falling in line with the rest of the world at this point.

And in April the White House advised people to wear masks. And yes I know Trump stated he wasn't planning on wearing one. But he still advised people to do it voluntarily. JUST LIKE OTHER COUNTRIES WERE DOING. And still are.

And now the Whitehouse is again urging the wearing of masks.

But still no mandate. Cause it should be left to the states.

 

[jgarden]

What I have a problem with is the cry bullies who are shaming people who don't want to wear a mask....when the mask they wear do virtually nothing. They think they're being noble for wearing a mask that passes the virus trough the fabric and out through the sides. Some people mask you can look at the side of their face and see their nostrils.

What I've seen on the internet is far from random. I look at the science rather than the shame.

I use to be mask fitted for my job....and I understand what a fit test is. Even with a rubber face mask it's often hard to get a proper seal....the fabric seal is useless especially when you sneeze or cough and pressurize it.

Do I wear a mask? If the sign on the door says so. It keeps the Karens happy.

Given that without a vaccine, the number of proven methods for combating the spread of COVID-19 in the current medical toolbox is extremely limited, so its irresponsible to summarily dismiss the usefulness of masks based on anecdotal accounts!

Healthcare workers on the frontline appear to have always placed confidence in wearing masks as an effective deterrent for years, so until their are enough medical studies to prove otherwise, at the very least we should be giving masks the benefit of the doubt!

 

[Tom 1]

They don't work.

Practical application says they do. In Europe Austria and the Czech Republic were the first to mandate use of masks in enclosed public spaces, and infection rates dropped appreciably, other countries have followed suit. Some vid on the Internet is not a good way to make decisions about things like that, the vid in any case doesn’t show that they don’t work as a protective measure to some degree - few people constantly cough and sneeze. The fairly obvious point is that it reduces risk, it doesn’t eliminate it, that’s why hospital staff working with infected patients wear full body protection rather than just a mask. There are all kinds of comparable safety measures, Kevlar body armour for example is uncomfortable to wear but offers some protection, although it is shredded by direct machine gun fire. The more important point however is the triviality of it, putting a mask on when you’re around other people as in a shop is hardly a difficult thing to do. So, back to the question - why do people make such a big deal about it?

 

[Tom 1]

Rolls eyes.

The bottom line....place the country and world into panic...lock you down...destroy the economy...then allow the New World Order to take over....like your bible says is going to happen.

This may or may not be a precursor to the White Horse in Revelation...perhaps its practice, but it's coming.

1) No, it doesn’t
2) Taking reasonable measures is not ‘panic’
3) No, it doesn’t

 

[LostMarbels]

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

Common Human Coronaviruses | CDC

Common Cold

Coronavirus. These tend to do their dirty work in the winter and early spring. The coronavirus is the cause of about 20% of colds. There are more than 30 kinds, but only three or four affect people.
Causes of the Common Cold

Why does this matter? Well, in my 45 years on this earth I cannot even give a number to the amount of times I have caught a common cold. The sniffles... what are the chances I will test positive for antibodies resulting in being labeled an active covid case? If you had a common cold in the last decade, chances are you will also test positive for covid 19.

And...

CDC conflates diagnostic, antibody test data creating 'inaccurate' portrayal of virus

There is also the question... how many people have a common cold right now??

 

[camille70]

It is my opinion that masks don't work.
Part of that is based upon the 40,000 supermarkets in the country and the virus isn't spreading like wildfire in the supermarkets. So what does that mean? It means the virus isn't really in the supermarkets...and there's something fishy going on. So, how does the virus really spread?? What's really going on?

This is from Worldometer. Scroll down to the graph that shows Daily New Deaths in the United States....Why does the graph show a spike then taper off for about 7 days then spike again? Repeating the pattern over and over.

Why are many test sites in Florida only reporting positive cases?

I guess Arizona and Texas are ordering refrigerated trucks simply because they have money to burn, its hot outside, and they are looking for a new way to cool off.

Refrigerated trucks requested in Arizona, Texas as morgues reach capacity amid COVID-19 surge