Theistic Evolution makes Judgment and Sin feel distant and less real

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It's not what about what is harder to make, but where are the details on what came first? You are telling us to assume things from Genesis just to excuse your arguments of being completely empty of all forms of reasoning.

I am still waiting how a 1st day just happens on a globe sphere, if lets say the Garden of Eden was located somewhere in the Mesopotamia region, wouldn't it's 1st day not be the 1st day yet for other parts of the earth? So how does the 6 days actually work if one side is advanced in daylight?

The location of the garden of Eden is unknown...as there was no Mesopotamia region prior to the world wide flood of Noah.

 

[Cis.jd]

The location of the garden of Eden is unknown...as there was no Mesopotamia region prior to the world wide flood of Noah.

yes, that is why the term "lets say" is in there. Obviously the location of the Garden isn't important, nor the point of the post (which you just avoided in this reply of yours), the point is how does the first day work for a globe sphere.

 

[Cis.jd]

Can you present the equation for Jesus' resurrection?

What kind of question is this? You are scratching for anything to reply to and not even thing on how absurd it sounds.

 

[-57]

yes, that is why the term "lets say" is in there. It's being hypothetical, because obviously the location of the Garden isn't important, nor the point of the post, the point is asking that no matter where this was, one side of the Earth is facing the first day and the other side isn't.

I'm not understanding your argument...it makes no sense.

Perhaps you could elaborate.

 

[-57]

What kind of question is this? You are scratching for anything to reply to and not even thing on how absurd it sounds.

Maybe I'll say it in terms you understand...can you provide the equation for a miracle?

 

[Bobber]

If mankind evolved...then sin is a non-issue. Why? Because that what makes us sinners was a natural step in our evolution. A random mutation changed our DNA one micro step at a time...and eventually produced a population of sinners. That's just who we are and God can't count us accountable for our sin nature.

I agree that's what that would mean. Theistic evolution Christians haven't thought through on the issue.

 

[Cis.jd]

Maybe I'll say it in terms you understand...can you provide the equation for a miracle?

No I can't with all of them but the universe itself is a miracle and we actually can read it through Physics.

Also, I understood what you are asking but it's a ridiculous question to ask, because it is challenging that what i said about equations being shown.
So, if i don't find or know any equations behind miracles does that mean that i'm wrong about the laws in our universe being readable?lol

 

[Cis.jd]

I'm not understanding your argument...it makes no sense.

LOL. I've had this argument in every post i've made since I started in this thread, which you've ignored, so please do not play the "i don't understand" game so you can continue avoiding it.

 

[Bobber]

Nope, that's just straight up not true. We believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. We believe that He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried, that He descended into hell, that He rose again on the third day, ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father with all power and authority, and that He will come again to judge the living and the dead and that His kingdom will have no end.

The reason why we accept the theory of evolution is because it is true.

Did God tell you that or did Man?

 

[Cis.jd]

Did God tell you that or did Man?

God did not tell you anything because if he did it would not be refuted by evidence. It's just so you, using God to be on the side of your views.

 

[Bobber]

We can argue whether the final editor of Genesis intended us to take it as history. I think likely he didn’t. But Paul seems to have, and in that he was simply wrong.

Well at least you've revealed what you believe about the scriptures and the writings of Paul being inspired by God. Apparently you don't believe they were. I think most Christians though will side in with Peter's defence of Paul. 2 Peter 3:15. I do as well.

 

[hedrick]

Well at least you've revealed what you believe about the scriptures and the writings of Paul being inspired by God. Apparently you don't believe they were. I think most Christians though will side in with Peter's defence of Paul. 2 Peter 3:15. I do as well.

2 Peter simply says Paul had wisdom. This is no stronger than the common 2 Tim 3:16 statement that Scripture is inspired in the sense of being useful.

Paul dealt with important questions about the relationship between Christianity and Judaism. He did so wisely. That doesn't make him an expert on everything.

 

[Bobber]

God did not tell you anything because if he did it would not be refuted by evidence. It's just so you, using God to be on the side of your views.

Not really. My point is what did God ACTUALLY SAY in the Bible? Have you ever stopped to consider that if the evolutionary creation of man was actually true why wouldn't God have described it that way? I mean he could have just as easily have done so right? So why didn't he? Maybe that's something a lot of people haven't given much thought?

 

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No I can't with all of them but the universe itself is a miracle and we actually can read it through Physics.

Also, I understood what you are asking but it's a ridiculous question to ask, because it is challenging that what i said about equations being shown.
So, if i don't find or know any equations behind miracles does that mean that i'm wrong about the laws in our universe being readable?lol

No one denies physics...

Creation was a miracle....you deny the miracle and exchange it for the physics of chance.

 

[-57]

LOL. I've had this argument in every post i've made since I started in this thread, which you've ignored, so please do not play the "i don't understand" game so you can continue avoiding it.

Whatever...it has something to do with day and night....If I've ignored it, it's because it never made sense.

 

[hedrick]

Not really. My point is what did God ACTUALLY SAY in the Bible? Have you ever stopped to consider that if the evolutionary creation of man was actually true why wouldn't God have described it that way? I mean he could have just as easily have done so right? So why didn't he? Maybe that's something a lot of people haven't given much thought?

You are assuming what you are trying to prove, that God wrote Genesis. The person who wrote it didn’t know modern astronomy or biology, so your rhetorical questions make no sense.

 

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You are assuming what you are trying to prove, that God wrote Genesis. The person who wrote it didn’t know modern astronomy or biology, so your rhetorical questions make no sense.

The person who wrote it understood evolutionism is impossible. It's not how God made mankind.

 

[Cis.jd]

Whatever...it has something to do with day and night....If I've ignored it, it's because it never made sense.

Of course, if you believe the entire creation literal, how else are you going to handle questions about factual things such as time zones other than refusing to understand it?

You just don't have an answer for it.

 

[Cis.jd]

Not really. My point is what did God ACTUALLY SAY in the Bible? Have you ever stopped to consider that if the evolutionary creation of man was actually true why wouldn't God have described it that way? I mean he could have just as easily have done so right? So why didn't he? Maybe that's something a lot of people haven't given much thought?

Because the Bible is not a book of science, He did not inspire others to reveal him not evolution, the 9 planets, physics, gravity, etc. As man grew in knowledge we then saw the greater brilliance of God as a creator and as a designer which is why we accept the facts about evolution, because we don't see it as contradicting creation but just revealing more about how much of a master designer God is.

 

[Bobber]

Ok. I don’t believe the creation was 6 days. I believe it took billions of years. Is this incompatible with the Bible? no. I believe that Moses (and for that matter a long list of the authors of the books) could not have had a handle on a million, much less a billion. So it was put into terms they understood: days.

Nope. Sorry but you're just wrong. They understood the Hebrew word 'ôlām, meaning an indefinitely long period of time of greater or lesser extent.

The terms express especially the notion of the duration of time in which one generation succeeds another (Eccl 1.4) or indefinite periods of time long since past (Jos 24.2) and thus come to mean age (Ez 26.20). Moreover, 'ôl ām and αἰών come to take on the more precise meaning of eternity or unlimited, endless time in some passages in which Yahweh is said to live "from of old" (mê-‘ôlām ), as one generation succeeds another. He is "the everlasting God" (’ēl 'ôlām: Gn 21.33). He swears "As I live forever…" (l e 'ôlām: Dt 32.40). The The eternal King (melek 'ôlām: Jer 10.10) is, in the later, deuterocanonical books, He who lives forever (hê-' 'ôlām: Dn 12.7; Sir 18.1).

Aeon (in the Bible) | Encyclopedia.com

So they could have used olam, (indefinite periods of time) but chose to use the word, yō·wm meaning day with all the insinuation that it was referring to our basic 24 hour period, sun rising, sunset, morning and night.