Black Lives Matter Protesters Storm Church, Harass Children, Assault Parishioners in Troy, New York

[renniks]

Would this mean that it would just as ok for caucasian people to storm a black church like the one Obama used to attend for 20 years under Reverend Wright who condemned white people and even America? Nah! That would be "racist"!

This is the hypocrisy of opposing white power with black power. Both are equally wrong.

 

[Quartermaine]

They were protesting the overt racism this church embraces against blacks as Jewish people. The pastor is preaching hate. He has sermons titled “Jews are cursed” and “blacks are cursed ,” and has required attendees to touch a piece of ham before entering the church to weed out any Jewish or Muslim people.
“Blacks Are Cursed” The Truth Of What The NY Church Harassed By BLM Protesters Was Actually Teaching About Race ⋆ Activist Mommy

“Pastor John Koletas, the church’s senior pastor, preaches to his congregation a dangerous, legitimately racist false teaching: that “the black race” are the descendants of Ham and Canaan and are especially cursed by God.

On the church’s website, which presents itself as your typical independent fundamentalist Baptist church, “an ol’ time church preaching the ol’ time religion,” you can find for yourself the sermon archives of Pastor Koletas, nestled among which is a message titled simply “Blacks Are Cursed.”

In the sermon, preceded by “Jews Are Cursed” and “Greeks Are Cursed,” Pastor Koletas preaches that, deviating from the standard biblical doctrine that all humanity is fallen, that God has cursed Black individuals particularly so.

Koletas shouts things like, “The day you understand that God Almighty has cursed the black race, the sooner you can start living right.””


“It’s not only black folks who might not receive the warmest of welcomes at Grace Baptist Church. On the church’s website, among the rules for its recent AR-15 giveaways, it reminds prospective visitors that they will be made to touch a piece of ham used to weed out Muslims and Jews who will not touch pork:

“As always, there will be a slice of ham (the Bible word is swine) outside the front church doors.

Everyone entering the building for the service is required to touch the ham before entering the building.”

Anyone refusing to touch the ham outside the front church doors is not permitted to enter the building.“

Thank you for the research in the information. Sadly i think after reading this most of the posers here will either support this church more or go find some other place to bash BLM

 

[Aldebaran]

Thank you for the research in the information. Sadly i think after reading this most of the posers here will either support this church more or go find some other place to bash BLM

BLM is bashing itself by allowing such a video to be made that exposes them for exactly who they are. Would you prefer such information not be seen by everyone, lest it be perceived as 'bashing"?

 

[Sparagmos]

You're not saying you think the mob's behavior is justified, are you?

And BTW I scrolled through some sermon titles. One is called "God Hates Palm Sunday, Easter and Christmas", so this is no kind of church the majority of us here would call Christian.

Let me get this straight - after hearing about what this Church is doing - and no, they aren’t representing Christianity at all - you’re still more concerned about the people protesting that? Our country went to war with and killed Nazis, I certainly don’t have a problem with people getting in the faces of such vile people here in our country.

 

[Of the Kingdom]

To summarize:

Church seems to be hate-filled toward many, not representing Christ at all. But no violence as far as we know?

Church is apparently not totally anti-black. They have black parishioners, so must accept blacks and convince some to attend.

This particular BLM group is willing to use somewhat violent means to suppress whites they consider "hateful".

The question doesn't seem to be who are the good guys; there are none. May the Lord have mercy on the souls of all involved.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Would this mean that it would just as ok for caucasian people to storm a black church like the one Obama used to attend for 20 years under Reverend Wright who condemned white people and even America? Nah! That would be "racist"!

Or blow them up with dynamite like the good old days?

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Let me get this straight - after hearing about what this Church is doing - and no, they aren’t representing Christianity at all - you’re still more concerned about the people protesting that?

What the church teaches is irrelevant...

 

[durangodawood]

If there was any integrity at all to this anti BLM thread, these same people who are soooo indignant here would have been denouncing this quasi nazi church long before.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

If there was any integrity at all to this anti BLM thread, these same people who are soooo indignant here would have been denouncing this quasi nazi church long before.

Denounce them on what grounds? What laws have they broken?

 

[durangodawood]

Denounce them on what grounds? What laws have they broken?

I guess you didnt read about the outrageous things they say about other people in a "house of God".

And note, I did not say we should apply the force of law against them.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Denounce them on what grounds? What laws have they broken?

I would think speaking out about how their views do not represent Christianity, but I fear Christianity may be shrinking to the point they can’t afford to lose any more people no matter how deranged they are. They’ll let the most racists people share their banner to avoid sliding into further irrelevance. It’s a sad state to be in.

 

[renniks]

If there was any integrity at all to this anti BLM thread, these same people who are soooo indignant here would have been denouncing this quasi nazi church long before.

I oppose all cults, but I'm not sure if this is a cult or not. That's not really the main issue at hand, either. I surely don't support people being assaulted and verbally abused for attending whatever kind of church they choose to attend. Would you like your children to be screamed at as they entered church because someone thought your church taught incorrect doctrine? By people who seem to think the "f" word is the universal verb and adjective? That's a slippery slope. It could happen at the most orthodox church in the country.
One that teaches that homosexuality is a sin for example.
And this isn't some isolated incident. BLM supporters have been inciting violence across the country. They are a hate group. All they have done is tear down." The thief comes only to kill and destroy."

 

[ViaCrucis]

What the church teaches is irrelevant...

Ja. Was wäre das Schlimmste, das passieren könnte?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[renniks]

Let me get this straight - after hearing about what this Church is doing - and no, they aren’t representing Christianity at all - you’re still more concerned about the people protesting that? Our country went to war with and killed Nazis, I certainly don’t have a problem with people getting in the faces of such vile people here in our country.

Funny you should mention Nazis, since BLM is associated with known communist groups like antifa and leaders of BLM have said they are marxists.

 

[Chesterton]

Let me get this straight - after hearing about what this Church is doing - and no, they aren’t representing Christianity at all - you’re still more concerned about the people protesting that?

Yes of course.

Our country went to war with and killed Nazis,...

Well, you used the word Nazi first so I guess you win the argument. Darn it, why didn't think of that?

I certainly don’t have a problem with people getting in the faces of such vile people here in our country.

So who the heck are you to get to harass anyone because you don't agree with them?

 

[durangodawood]

I oppose all cults, but I'm not sure if this is a cult or not. That's not really the main issue at hand, either. I surely don't support people being assaulted and verbally abused for attending whatever kind of church they choose to attend. Would you like your children to be screamed at as they entered church because someone thought your church taught incorrect doctrine? By people who seem to think the "f" word is the universal verb and adjective? That's a slippery slope. It could happen at the most orthodox church in the country.
One that teaches that homosexuality is a sin for example.
And this isn't some isolated incident. BLM supporters have been inciting violence across the country. They are a hate group. All they have done is tear down." The thief comes only to kill and destroy."

I just think its funny that in this discussion that some people save all their oxygen for wrongness of the protest....while the poison spread by this Christian church gets none.

 

[Chesterton]

I just think its funny that in this discussion that some people save all their oxygen for wrongness of the protest....while the poison spread by this Christian church gets none.

Nothing funny about that at all, Oski. You shouldn't get to tell other people what they can and can't say or believe no matter how much you dislike it.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

I guess you didnt read about the outrageous things they say about other people in a "house of God".

No, I didn't, and I don't care to either.

I would think speaking out about how their views do not represent Christianity,

Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses do not represent Christianity, but if BLM activists disrupted one of their worship services I would unconditionally support their right to property, to freedom of speech and assembly, and their freedom of religion. I would not so much as mention their heretical teachings - in that context, I would consider it inappropriate. So I will with this congregation. For them, I don't know whether their views represent Christianity, and I see no point making that determination.
This is not a theology forum, and the soundness of the church's teaching is not the issue here. I'm simply not going to go there...

Denounce them on their hateful I ideas which are non biblical but at the same time recognize that it is illegal to harass the members the way BLM did in the video.

Biblical or not, their ideas are protected by the Constitution. BLM's actions are not. That is why BLM alone is deserving of condemnation here.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

This article (by a conservative Christian) gives the backstory missing here. The church claims that Jews and Blacks are “cursed” and the pastor says absolutely horrible racist things about them in sermons which you can read on their website.
“Blacks Are Cursed” The Truth Of What The NY Church Harassed By BLM Protesters Was Actually Teaching About Race ⋆ Activist Mommy

So what does this have to do with police brutality?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

BLM at it's heart is a terrorist group. My concern is that there are a lot of good people with good intentions that have BLM signs on their door but no idea what they are supporting in reality.
A Terrorist’s Ties to a Leading Black Lives Matter Group

I really don't get it. Thousands of black lives are lost due to black on black crime and BLM is quiet because "They are a movement specifically addressing police brutality". But then they protest things that have nothing to do with police brutality. So again, BLM doesn't care about black lives unless a one is killed by a white cop.