THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

[Jord Simcha]

Indeed this is why I share God's Word with you dear Fine, as it is God's Word not mine and we should believe and follow it over the teachings of the gambling lady of second chances (Universalism)

Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. Luke 2:10

God's Word, not mine.

We should believe and follow it over [a] gambling lady (uh idk, Ellen G. White comes to mind).

Wat do you believe it means, great joy to all people?
Will the wicked experience some sort of ecstacy right before The Great Annihilation?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. Luke 2:10

God's Word, not mine.

We should believe and follow it over [a] gambling lady (uh idk, Ellen G. White comes to mind).

Wat do you believe it means, great joy to all people?
Will the wicked experience some sort of ecstacy right before The Great Annihilation?

I have only shared Gods' Word with you and God's Word is not my words but God's but you do not believe them. There is no joy in the destruction of the wicked in the second death in the lake of fire *Revelation 21:7-8 because they reject the free gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing *Hebrews 10:26-31; (more scripture here) as this is a strange work to God as he is not willing that any should perish according to the scriptures but that all should be saved and come to repentance *Isaiah 28:21-22; 2 Peter 3:9.

Sadly not all will choose the gift of God's dear son and choose death over life according to the scriptures. There is indeed great joy in all the world when God's people receive the gift of God's salvation as God's people will believe and follow his Word from every nation. According to the scriptures not all the world and every nation however will choose the gift of God's salvation but instead according to the scriptures choose rather sin and death over salvation and life and receive the second death in the lake of fire after the second coming *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31; (more scripture here).

According to Jesus, the unrepentant wicked world that was destroyed in the flood and the unrepentant wicked people in Sodom and Gommorah that were destroyed by fire are all examples of what will happen to the unrepentant wicked after the second coming *Luke 17:26-29 when the unrepentant wicked receive the second death in the lake of fire *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31.

Only God's Word is true and it is to the Word of God we should believe and follow. The teachings of Universalism have their origen from Genesis 3:1-5 in the lie told Eve in the garden of Eden which was you can disregard God's Word and break God's commandments and not surely die. Their mistake was believing the devils word over God's Word when only God's Word is true and we sould believe and follow it.

Hope this helps.

 

[Jord Simcha]

I have only shared Gods' Word with you and God's Word is not my words but God's but you do not believe them. There is no joy in the destruction of the wicked in the second death in the lake of fire *Revelation 21:7-8 because they reject the free gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing *Hebrews 10:26-31; (more scripture here) as this is a strange work to God as he is not willing that any should perish according to the scriptures but that all should be saved and come to repentance *Isaiah 28:21-22; 2 Peter 3:9.

Sadly not all will choose the gift of God's dear son and choose death over life according to the scriptures. There is indeed great joy in all the world when God's people receive the gift of God's salvation as God's people will believe and follow his Word from every nation. According to the scriptures not all the world and every nation however will choose the gift of God's salvation but instead according to the scriptures choose rather sin and death over salvation and life and receive the second death in the lake of fire after the second coming *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31; (more scripture here).

According to Jesus, the unrepentant wicked world that was destroyed in the flood and the unrepentant wicked people in Sodom and Gommorah that were destroyed by fire are all examples of what will happen to the unrepentant wicked after the second coming *Luke 17:26-29 when the unrepentant wicked receive the second death in the lake of fire *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31.

Only God's Word is true and it is to the Word of God we should believe and follow. The teachings of Universalism have their origen from Genesis 3:1-5 in the lie told Eve in the garden of Eden which was you can disregard God's Word and break God's commandments and not surely die. Their mistake was believing the devils word over God's Word when only God's Word is true and we sould believe and follow it.

Hope this helps.

"Great joy in all the world" is not the same as "great joy to ALL people".

I believe all Bible verses, but don't draw the same conclusions from them as you.

Destruction can mean many things. Nowadays it's a very popular word to describe embarassment, as in, the Lakers destroyed the Clippers. Meaning they kicked their ***es. And God is going to kick some *** for sure, but I believe it will be delightful, loving, tender, while at the same time perhaps furiously angry. God has said, "I kill, and I make alive". Not the other way around. What He kills He makes alive I believe. He wounds, and He heals. Deuteronomy 32:39

 

[LoveGodsWord]

"Great joy in all the world" is not the same as "great joy to ALL people".

I believe all Bible verses, but don't draw the same conclusions from them as you.

Destruction can mean many things. Nowadays it's a very popular word to describe embarassment, as in, the Lakers destroyed the Clippers. Meaning they kicked their ***es. And God is going to kick some *** for sure, but I believe it will be delightful, loving, tender, while at the same time perhaps furiously angry. God has said, "I kill, and I make alive". Not the other way around. What He kills He makes alive I believe. He wounds, and He heals. Deuteronomy 32:39

Sure it is your just repeating yourself. As posted earlier there is indeed great joy in all the world when God's people receive the gift of God's salvation as God's people will believe and follow his Word from every nation. According to the scriptures not all the world and every nation however will choose the gift of God's salvation but instead according to the scriptures choose rather sin and death over salvation and life and receive the second death in the lake of fire after the second coming *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31; (more scripture here).

According to Jesus, the unrepentant wicked world that was destroyed in the flood and the unrepentant wicked people in Sodom and Gommorah that were destroyed by fire are all examples of what will happen to the unrepentant wicked after the second coming *Luke 17:26-29 when the unrepentant wicked receive the second death in the lake of fire *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31.

Only God's Word is true and it is to the Word of God we should believe and follow. The teachings of Universalism have their origen from Genesis 3:1-5 in the lie told Eve in the garden of Eden which was you can disregard God's Word and break God's commandments and not surely die. Their mistake was believing the devils word over God's Word when only God's Word is true and we sould believe and follow it.

Sounds a little different when context of the scriptures are added back doesn't it.

Hope this helps.

 

[Jord Simcha]

Sure it is your just repeating yourself.

And you aren't?

As posted earlier there is indeed great joy in all the world when God's people receive the gift of God's salvation as God's people will believe and follow his Word from every nation. According to the scriptures not all the world and every nation however will choose the gift of God's salvation but instead according to the scriptures choose rather sin and death over salvation and life and receive the second death in the lake of fire after the second coming *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31; (more scripture here).

According to Jesus, the unrepentant wicked world that was destroyed in the flood and the unrepentant wicked people in Sodom and Gommorah that were destroyed by fire are all examples of what will happen to the unrepentant wicked after the second coming *Luke 17:26-29 when the unrepentant wicked receive the second death in the lake of fire *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31.

Only God's Word is true and it is to the Word of God we should believe and follow. The teachings of Universalism have their origen from Genesis 3:1-5 in the lie told Eve in the garden of Eden which was you can disregard God's Word and break God's commandments and not surely die. Their mistake was believing the devils word over God's Word when only God's Word is true and we sould believe and follow it.

Sounds a little different when context of the scriptures are added back doesn't it.

Hope this helps.

There won't even be great joy with us, the saved, if 80+% of mankind burns in hell.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Destruction can mean many things. Nowadays it's a very popular word to describe embarassment, as in, the Lakers destroyed the Clippers. Meaning they kicked their ***es. And God is going to kick some *** for sure, but I believe it will be delightful, loving, tender, while at the same time perhaps furiously angry. God has said, "I kill, and I make alive". Not the other way around. What He kills He makes alive I believe. He wounds, and He heals. Deuteronomy 32:39

The reason why your argument here is useless to this conversation is that it is the context of the Greek to scripture application that determines its meaning not the word in isolation to context. The Greek and Hebrew langauge and word meaning are normally multiple unlike the english and have many meaning. It is the context that determines word definitions not the word in isolation of context. This is what you do not seem to understand.

Go Google if what I am sharing with you or not. There are many Greek and Hebrew words used that are translated into the english as destruction for example.

2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 [6], SEEING IT IS A RIGHTEOUS THING WITH GOD TO RECOMPENSE TRIBULATION TO THEM THAT TROUBLE YOU; [7], AND TO YOU WHO ARE TROUBLED REST WITH US, WHEN THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS, [8], IN FLAMING FIRE TAKING VENGEANCE ON THEM THAT KNOW NOT GOD, AND THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST: [9], WHO SHALL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING (G166 αἰώνιος) DESTRUCTION (G3639 ὄλεθρος) FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, AND FROM THE GLORY OF HIS POWER; [10], WHEN HE SHALL COME TO BE GLORIFIED IN HIS SAINTS, AND TO BE ADMIRED IN ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE BECAUSE OUR TESTIMONY AMONG YOU WAS BELIEVED IN THAT DAY.

Note the Greek words used for everlasting destruction used for Gods judgements and vengence given to the wicked; everlasting (G166 αἰώνιος) which means eternal for all time linked with destruction (G3639 ὄλεθρος) primary word means to destroy; a prolonged form; ruin, that is, death, punishment: - destruction.

The context to be destroyed by "flaming fire" where the wicked receive the second death in the lake of fire *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31; (more scripture here). You may want to cross reference this to Hebrews 10:26-31 and look at the Greek Word for "Devour"

God's Word does not teach what Universalism teaches. This is a doctrine that has originated from the fist lie told in the garden of Eden to Eve in Genesis 3:1-5 that you can ignore God's Word and his commandments and not surely die when God says you will indeed die. I choose to believe God how about you dear friend? For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings of men that deny God's Word.

Hope this is helpful.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

And you aren't?
There won't even be great joy with us, the saved, if 80+% of mankind burns in hell.

There will be great joy got the saved. There will be no joy for the unrepentant wicked that rejected the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite to the Spirit of God's grace *Hebrews 10:26-31.

 

[FineLinen]

There will be great joy got the saved. There will be no joy for the unrepentant wicked that rejected the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite to the Spirit of God's grace *Hebrews 10:26-31.

You poor dear girl: you must be awakened by the Christ of Ephphatha!

Deaf ears, blind eyes are His specialty.

 

[Jord Simcha]

There will be great joy got the saved. There will be no joy for the unrepentant wicked that rejected the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite to the Spirit of God's grace *Hebrews 10:26-31.

The underlined part goes against Luke 2:10 in my opinion.

 

[Jord Simcha]

The reason why your argument here is useless to this conversation is that it is the context of the Greek to scripture application that determines its meaning not the word in isolation to context. The Greek and Hebrew langauge and word meaning are normally multiple unlike the english and have many meaning. It is the context that determines word definitions not the word in isolation of context. This is what you do not seem to understand.

Go Google if what I am sharing with you or not. There are many Greek and Hebrew words used that are translated into the english as destruction for example.

2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 [6], SEEING IT IS A RIGHTEOUS THING WITH GOD TO RECOMPENSE TRIBULATION TO THEM THAT TROUBLE YOU; [7], AND TO YOU WHO ARE TROUBLED REST WITH US, WHEN THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS, [8], IN FLAMING FIRE TAKING VENGEANCE ON THEM THAT KNOW NOT GOD, AND THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST: [9], WHO SHALL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING (G166 αἰώνιος) DESTRUCTION (G3639 ὄλεθρος) FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, AND FROM THE GLORY OF HIS POWER; [10], WHEN HE SHALL COME TO BE GLORIFIED IN HIS SAINTS, AND TO BE ADMIRED IN ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE BECAUSE OUR TESTIMONY AMONG YOU WAS BELIEVED IN THAT DAY.

Note the Greek words used for everlasting destruction used for Gods judgements and vengence given to the wicked; everlasting (G166 αἰώνιος) which means eternal for all time linked with destruction (G3639 ὄλεθρος) primary word means to destroy; a prolonged form; ruin, that is, death, punishment: - destruction.

The context to be destroyed by "flaming fire" where the wicked receive the second death in the lake of fire *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31; (more scripture here). You may want to cross reference this to Hebrews 10:26-31 and look at the Greek Word for "Devour"

God's Word does not teach what Universalism teaches. This is a doctrine that has originated from the fist lie told in the garden of Eden to Eve in Genesis 3:1-5 that you can ignore God's Word and his commandments and not surely die when God says you will indeed die. I choose to believe God how about you dear friend? For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings of men that deny God's Word.

Hope this is helpful.

Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Jeremiah 23:29

His Word destroys, you see?

Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them. Jeremiah 5:14

That's my favorite cross reference for the word "devour".

 

[FineLinen]

I have only shared Gods' Word with you and God's Word is not my words but God's but you do not believe them.

Your dear this and dear that is not the energes, or the anakrino of the oxus word of Spirit that separates between soul and spirit.

You must be awakened, dear dear dear girl, from your death spiral.

Rectitude=

Straightness.

Rightness of principle or practice.

Exact conformity to truth by Divine laws.

Uprightness of mind.

Uprightness/ integrity/ honesty/ justice.

Right judgment.

Assured probity.

High ideal.

Incorruptibility.

Pure/stainless/unimpeachable/worthy.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You poor dear girl: you must be awakened by the Christ of Ephphatha!Deaf ears, blind eyes are His specialty.

For me, he must increase and I must decrease. I only point all to the Word of God because it is there we find the one who loves us that we may love him. I know him and am known by him. All that he shows me I see because I do not walk by sight and must show to all because I am blind yet He shows me the way. He tells me it is those that say they see that walk by sight that do not see. These are they that have once known him or do not know him.

For me there is only life in the living Word. These are his Words and not my own. Freely I give because freely I have received. I must speak in the light and what I hear preach in the housetops. Many will not hear because they do not know Him. It is given to the blind that do not walk by sight to have eyes to see and ears to hear and the lame to walk while those saying they see do not see. Those saying they hear do not hear and those saying they walk but are not walking.

They that be whole do not need the physician but those that are sick seek him. Many do not know the meaning. He is the teacher of all the poor, blind, deaf and lame in spirit, he knows them all by name. he heals the sick and the blind and the lame because he reads the intent of the heart that is sick. Who can look into the mirror that God gives to see who they are? These are those that look into the mirror and see God. The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because in his mind they are foolishness. To those who say they see but do not He says you says their sins remains. Yet they cannot see who is blind when they close their eyes and ears when God is calling them to come to him so that they may be healed.

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The above is mainly scripture (God's Word) although this time I left out the references on purpose. Do you know these scriptures dear Fine? If so what do you think they mean?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The underlined part goes against Luke 2:10 in my opinion.

Why? Are the saved Saints from all the nations of the world? If you say yes then it the underlined earlier is in perfect harmony with Luke 2:10. As posted earlier according to the scriptures not all the world and every nation however will choose the gift of God's salvation but instead according to the scriptures choose rather sin and death over salvation and life and receive the second death in the lake of fire after the second coming *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31; (more scripture here). According to Jesus, the unrepentant wicked world that was destroyed in the flood and the unrepentant wicked people in Sodom and Gommorah that were destroyed by fire are all examples of what will happen to the unrepentant wicked after the second coming *Luke 17:26-29 when the unrepentant wicked receive the second death in the lake of fire *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? Jeremiah 23:29

His Word destroys, you see?

Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them. Jeremiah 5:14

That's my favorite cross reference for the word "devour".

Context is king dear friend and it is context your not considering. As posted earlier the unrepentant wicked are desroyed with the second death in the lake of fire after the second coming *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31; (more scripture here). Here we are 2061 posts and 113 pages and not a single scripture that says that the unrepentant wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming? Does that not worry you when God's Word says that the unrepentant wicked are destroyed after the second coming? It should. Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear.

 

[FineLinen]

For me, he must increase and I must decrease.

Excellent!

"The purpose of the cross is to do away with you, blessed riddance." -A.W. Tozer-

At the consummation of doing away with us & our faith is glorious living by the faith of the Son of God.

 

[FineLinen]

You cannot believe in annililation and believe in the Christ who visits the disobedient dead from the great flood with zao life & release of unprecedented proportions!

You cannot believe in a God of limited!

 

[Jord Simcha]

Why? Are the saved Saints from all the nations of the world?

Because all people means all people. Every single one. Not all nationalities. That's not good enough.

If you say yes then it the underlined earlier is in perfect harmony with Luke 2:10. As posted earlier according to the scriptures not all the world and every nation however will choose the gift of God's salvation but instead according to the scriptures choose rather sin and death over salvation and life and receive the second death in the lake of fire after the second coming *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31; (more scripture here). According to Jesus, the unrepentant wicked world that was destroyed in the flood and the unrepentant wicked people in Sodom and Gommorah that were destroyed by fire are all examples of what will happen to the unrepentant wicked after the second coming *Luke 17:26-29 when the unrepentant wicked receive the second death in the lake of fire *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31.

Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city. Matthew 10:15

How does annihilation score on the tolerability-index? High?

If they're better off than others how does that work, if they be utterly destroyed?

 

[Jord Simcha]

Context is king dear friend and it is context your not considering. As posted earlier the unrepentant wicked are desroyed with the second death in the lake of fire after the second coming *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31; (more scripture here). Here we are 2061 posts and 113 pages and not a single scripture that says that the unrepentant wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming? Does that not worry you when God's Word says that the unrepentant wicked are destroyed after the second coming? It should. Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear.

It does not worry me, because I believe Luke 2:10.

I believe John 3:17.

I believe Job 42:2.

I believe 1 Timothy 4:10.

And so on.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You cannot believe in annililation and believe in the Christ who visits the disobedient dead from the great flood with zao life & release of unprecedented proportions!

You cannot believe in a God of limited!

God is not limited dear Fine. God is a God of love and mercy and justice and judgment. It is Universalism that limits God and does not understand the love of God by denying the justice and judgment of God for sin. If there was no justice and judgment for sin then Jesus did not have to die for the sins of the World. Indeed universalism makes a mockery of the cross of Christ which is where God's justice and judgment for sin is shown in his great love and mercy for all mankind. If you do away with God's justice and judgment for sin you do away with the love of God which is the only place where Gods' great love for mankind is revealed. For God's great love is revealed in his justice and judgment for sin in sending his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlating life. It is the cross of Jesus in God sending his only begotten son into our world to die for the sins of the whole world where Gods' love is seen. Gods' love is revealed in his justice and judgment but universalism says no... God is not a God of justice and judgement but love and mercy but it is only in the cross of JESUS and his spilt blood for all mankind and his sacrifice for sin in receiveing God's justice and judgment so that we can be reconcilled to God where Gods' great love is revealed to all mankind. Universalism is the sepent in the Garden of lies saying you can deny God's Word and will not surely die when God says in the day you eat thereof you shall surely die.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Because all people means all people. Every single one. Not all nationalities. That's not good enough.

Actually no. Context matters. I tried to show you earlier but your disregarding it. Let's discuss it in detail to show why. You quoted Luke 2:10 to try and argue that all the world will receive eternal life. Now how you can pull this single scripture out and come to this conclusion when that interpretation contradicts over 100+ scriptures already provided to you that show and say that the unrepentant wicked receive the second death and are destroyed in the lake of fire and do not receive eternal life and do not enter into God's kingdom is beyond me but let's leave that for now.

Let's look at your claims in relation to Luke 2:10 which says; [10], And the angel said to them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

I responded by saying to you that this scripture is to the saved Saints from all the people and nations all over the world. This is in perfect harmony with the scriptures shared with you earlier. The point here is that no where in Luke 2:10 does it say anywhere that all the world will be saved. It simply says "Fear not I bring you good tiding (gospel) of great joy which shall be for all people. This is the gospel message of Jesus Christ and the offer and invitation of salvation for all mankind.

Now a few points to note. Where is the great gospel commission to go to? Yep the whole world (all nations). In the world where the gospel is preach people will receive it with great joy (the saints). It does not say or mean that all the people of the world will receive the gospel as those who reject the gospel and the unrepentant wicked do not. Its meaning is that the gospel will go to the whole world and those who receive it will receive it with great joy.

According to the scriptures not all the people of the world will choose the gift of God's salvation but instead according to the scriptures choose sin and death over salvation and life and receive the second death in the lake of fire after the second coming *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31; (more scripture here).

According to Jesus, the unrepentant wicked world that was destroyed in the flood and the unrepentant wicked people in Sodom and Gommorah that were destroyed by fire are all examples of what will happen to the unrepentant wicked after the second coming *Luke 17:26-29 when the unrepentant wicked receive the second death in the lake of fire *Revelation 21:7-8; Hebrews 10:26-31.

May you receive Gods' Word and be blessed.