Is evolution real?

[VirOptimus]

Atheism is an empty assertion.

Wow, what a comeback! You win the internet.

I tip my hat to you, master of wit and debate!

 

[JIMINZ]

Why? As long as you know how they are using it you will understand what they mean, even if they don't mean the same thing as you usually do.

Does clarity in a discussion really bother you that much?

 

[JIMINZ]

Creation is not an argument against evolution. Evolution is entirely consistent with divine creation. It is, of course, not consistent with biblical literalist creationism. If that's the "creation" which is your argument against evolution, then you will have to bring evidence for it.

To you for judgment of validity, no thanks.

 

[JIMINZ]

If all you can do is say you disagree with evolution but you can't actually tell me where the flaw lies, then you'll find most people won't consider your argument very convincing.

Will you accept my telling you, God Created everything there is and there is nothing that He did not Create?

 

[VirOptimus]

Will you accept my telling you, God Created everything there is and there is nothing that He did not Create?

Using magic in a science debate is an auto-loss.

 

[JIMINZ]

Using magic in a science debate is an auto-loss.

The following seems to be some sort of slight of hand, smoke and mirrors trick to me.

Do all of the skulls pictured below, retain the same DNA or not, can it be shown they are all Humanoid, or are they just close enough to look like a Human.

Do all of the skulls represented in the picture come from the same area or from all over the world?

Lines of solid evidence demonstrate that we evolved from earlier precursors.

 

[VirOptimus]

The following seems to be some sort of slight of hand, smoke and mirrors trick to me.

Do all of the skulls pictured below, retain the same DNA or not, can it be shown they are all Humanoid, or are they just close enough to look like a Human.

Do all of the skulls represented in the picture come from the same area or from all over the world?

Que? What does that have to do with my post?

 

[JIMINZ]

Que? What does that have to do with my post?

Didn't you say you wanted Scientific evidence in a Science debate?

If I have to keep reminding you what you said in your last post to me then we will be here all night.

I will ask questions you will teach my befuddled brain on the subject.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Do all of the skulls pictured below, retain the same DNA or not, can it be shown they are all Humanoid, or are they just close enough to look like a Human.

You seem to be suggesting that they aren't all human. In post #7, emett22 asserted that they were ALL human. This is one way we know that creationism is not a coherent theory. No one seems to agree on what it means or implies about the empirical evidence.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

But to answer the OP, is evolution real... yes. Yes it is.

 

[JIMINZ]

You seem to be suggesting that they aren't all human. In post #7, emett22 asserted that they were ALL human. This is one way we know that creationism is not a coherent theory. No one seems to agree on what it means or implies about the empirical evidence.

No not at all, I am not suggesting that at all, I am asking the question, How do we know all the skulls are human?

Sounds like Emmit22 made a tongue in cheek endorsement of the skulls.

I had a question regarding their being found, care to elaborate?

"Do all of the skulls represented in the picture come from the same area or from all over the world?"

 

[Brightmoon]

Why would creationists argue about stuff they’ve never examined nor read a scientific description of ? That is the ultimate argument from ignorance and is one of the main ( just one, there are others) reasons that scientists and scientifically literate pay no attention to them when they complain about confirmed natural facts. Macroevolution has been observed . Any polyploid species that has a living ancestors demonstrates macroevolution. Roses can have 7, 14, 28 and 35 chromosomes . These are well known polyploids . Bread wheat and macaroni wheat are both allopolyploid which means they hybridized with still a 3rd species In fact macaroni wheat is an ancestor of bread wheat . This type of mutation added an entire genome and sometimes as with both wheats it wasn’t another wheat but a goat grass. Both times it was a different goat grass

 

[JIMINZ]

Why would creationists argue about stuff they’ve never examined nor read a scientific description of ? That is the ultimate argument from ignorance and is one of the main ( just one, there are others) reasons that scientists and scientifically literate pay no attention to them when they complain about confirmed natural facts. Macroevolution has been observed . Any polyploid species that has a living ancestors demonstrates macroevolution. Roses can have 7, 14, 28 and 35 chromosomes . These are well known polyploids . Bread wheat and macaroni wheat are both allopolyploid which means they hybridized with still a 3rd species In fact macaroni wheat is an ancestor of bread wheat . This type of mutation added an entire genome and sometimes as with both wheats it wasn’t another wheat but a goat grass. Both times it was a different goat grass

You don't believe in Creation by God?

 

[essentialsaltes]

No not at all, I am not suggesting that at all, I am asking the question, How do we know all the skulls are human?

Not all of them are genus Homo. I believe they are all hominins, but not all humans.

"Do all of the skulls represented in the picture come from the same area or from all over the world?"

They are all Old World -- oh, except possibly the last one.

Let's skip A, which is a modern chimpanzee.

I believe B-F are from Africa.
G is from Georgia (the country, not the state).
H and I are Africa.
J-L are all three from France.
M (Cro Magnon) is probably Europe.
N could be from anywhere in either the Old or New Worlds.

 

[sjastro]

You didn't answer the question...why should it have to?

Are you serious?
Isn’t the point of arguing the existence of a great flood in a science forum is to produce evidence such as wide scale sedimentation?
The geological cross section I provided clearly contradicts a great flood and your avoidance in answering the question is running away from the facts.

 

[Brightmoon]

You don't believe in Creation by God?

there’s a difference between believing in Creation by a deity and pretending science doesn’t work. I’m Christian to make that clearer. I’m just not a science illiterate. Not all Christians are young earth or old earth creationists.

 

[Strathos]

there’s a difference between believing in Creation by a deity and pretending science doesn’t work. I’m Christian to make that clearer. I’m just not a science illiterate. Not all Christians are young earth or old earth creationists.

Haven't you heard? You have to either believe that God created the earth and every extant species in 6 literal days 6000 years ago, or else you're an atheist.

 

[JIMINZ]

there’s a difference between believing in Creation by a deity and pretending science doesn’t work. I’m Christian to make that clearer. I’m just not a science illiterate. Not all Christians are young earth or old earth creationists.

Don't get me wrong, I am not interested in Old or Young Earth views, only in do you believe in Creation or Evolution, the two are mutually exclusive.

 

[Strathos]

Don't get me wrong, I am interested in Old or Young Earth views, only in do you believe in Creation or Evolution, the two are mutually exclusive.

No they're not.

 

[pitabread]

Don't get me wrong, I am not interested in Old or Young Earth views, only in do you believe in Creation or Evolution, the two are mutually exclusive.

Not according to most Christians.