How Many Will Die As A Result Of Tomorrow's Rally?

[Hazelelponi]

...we'll have plenty of images of maskless faithful later today.

It is illegal to advertise either surgical or cloth face masks as helping to prevent a SARS-COVID-19 infection in the wearer..

Why?

Because to do so would be an outright LIE.

So worrying about who is wearing a mask or who is not wearing a mask is rather moot. They dont prevent the spread of the coronavirus, if they did they could be advertised to do so.

Only an actual n95 mask can help with that, which is something no ordinary individual can get their hands on...

 

[Richard T]

I get the sense that something very significant will be the result of today. After the rally takes place and it's found there isn't significant increased covid cases Trump will have crushed the whole quarantine thing and the nation will feel set free. If it goes the other way it won't be so positive for him. I suspect though media will look for absolutely any case and say, "See there! Trump made a big mistake!" The thing reasonable people will be watching for though is will the hospitals be flooded and overwhelmed with an increase of cases.....serious cases of people dying. That's the thing that's really considered.

I get that too, that this rally will be an inflection point that is meaningful. Tulsa is a Christian town, with Rhema and Oral Roberts and a ton of great churches. The rally represents the spiritual battle we are in. I would go so far as to say if the virus is not contained in Tulsa we will see extended cancellations of sports and other mass events, more restrictions on churches, bars etc. It might be an inflection point on the exuberant stock market too. It could be a turning point for the bad or good of Trump in the ways you have suggested.

 

[pitabread]

The media keeps telling me that Church is deadly but the grocery store is perfectly fine. Now protesting is safe and Trump rallys will be the death of mankind. Anybody else see anything wrong with what's being pushed??

What "media" are you talking about?

Where I live, media reporting includes specifically recommending protective measures including the wearing of masks regardless of activity.

 

[lasthero]

It is illegal to advertise either surgical or cloth face masks as helping to prevent a SARS-COVID-19 infection in the wearer..

That's a new one. Where'd you hear that from?

Only an actual n95 mask can help with that, which is something no ordinary individual can get their hands on...

Where to start with this one...ah.
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[pitabread]

Only an actual n95 mask can help with that, which is something no ordinary individual can get their hands on...

N95 masks are common (most dust masks are rated N95). N95 is just a rating that states that it filters about 95% of particulates.

Furthermore, N95 won't strictly prevent the spread of COVID-19 either since it doesn't 100% filter everything either. Only a self-contained respiratory system perfectly fitted arguably could completely prevent a person spreading and/or being infected by COVID-19 via their airways.

 

[mark46]

N95 masks are common (most dust masks are rated N95). N95 is just a rating that states that it filters about 95% of particulates.

Furthermore, N95 won't strictly prevent the spread of COVID-19 either since it doesn't 100% filter everything either. Only a self-contained respiratory system perfectly fitted arguably could completely prevent a person spreading and/or being infected by COVID-19 via their airways.

N95 make are indeed available. Our dentist office routinely uses them.

 

[Hazelelponi]

N95 masks are common (most dust masks are rated N95). N95 is just a rating that states that it filters about 95% of particulates.

Furthermore, N95 won't strictly prevent the spread of COVID-19 either since it doesn't 100% filter everything either. Only a self-contained respiratory system perfectly fitted arguably could completely prevent a person spreading and/or being infected by COVID-19 via their airways.

Right now with the ppe shortage, ordinary people are told not to purchase those masks that hospital workers actually need (n95 etc), plus they are single use.

And I agree with your analysis other than that.

So arguing mask usage is moot. They do nothing but give people a false confidence.

 

[mark46]

I suppose we should have poll.

QUESTION 1
Would you attend a rally inside with 19,000 others for several hours, knowing that everyone will be very crowded and most won't be earring masks?

QUESTION 2
Other than anyone who any respect for science, who do you think should avoid such gatherings?

 

[Hazelelponi]

I suppose we should have poll.

QUESTION 1
Would you attend a rally inside with 19,000 others for several hours, knowing that everyone will be very crowded and most won't be earring masks?

QUESTION 2
Other than anyone who any respect for science, who do you think should avoid such gatherings?

People at highest risk of mortality from the virus, and those who care for them should avoid the rally.

Attendance is a choice...

 

[mark46]

The media keeps telling me that Church is deadly but the grocery store is perfectly fine. Now protesting is safe and Trump rallys will be the death of mankind. Anybody else see anything wrong with what's being pushed??

Inside church is fine, if everyone wears masks, there is no singing, everyone is 6 feet away for anyone but family, and they are only there for half an hour. Is that the kind of service that you are discussing?

Of course, some churches have services in parking lots and online.

 

[pitabread]

So arguing mask usage is moot. They do nothing but give people a false confidence.

While I don't think anyone should think a mask gives them 100% protection, the whole point of masks is to reduce the general risk of spreading/contracting the disease. Even if that reduction is marginal, any reduction of risk is better than no reduction.

 

[mark46]

Right now with the ppe shortage, ordinary people are told not to purchase those masks that hospital workers actually need (n95 etc), plus they are single use.

And I agree with your analysis other than that.

So arguing mask usage is moot. They do nothing but give people a false confidence.

???

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[mark46]

While I don't think anyone should think a mask gives them 100% protection, the whole point of masks is to reduce the general risk of spreading/contracting the disease. Even if that reduction is marginal, any reduction of risk is better than no reduction.

The idea is that the CDC is incompetent, I guess.

Surgical masks are other face coverings are advised by almost every agency in the US. They protect OTHERS. If we all wear them, we will all be protecting others. Few individuals are sure that they don't have the virus, so they wear face coverings and stay 6 feet away (at least) to protect others.

With regard to protecting ourselves, surely we understand that covering your face while walking several feet away from others will HELP prevent the virus from infecting us.
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The conclusion by Republicans seems to be since surgical masks (worn by every surgeon) don't protect us at 100% level, then we in our awesome freedom have no need to wear them; ditto for staying 6 feet away from those who might carry the virus (that is, everyone but family). And then, finally there is the argument that it's all up to God, we all die sometime. One presumes that these same folks don't where seat belts or motorcycle helmets.

 

[LostMarbels]

While I don't think anyone should think a mask gives them 100% protection, the whole point of masks is to reduce the general risk of spreading/contracting the disease. Even if that reduction is marginal, any reduction of risk is better than no reduction.

People do not believe there is yet another, another, another, another, another wolf at the door concerning Trump this time. That is over and done with. Their credibility to even cause modest concern to get up and look out the window has been lost. I do not think anyone even believes there won't be yet again, another 'something'..... And more after that.

 

[mark46]

People at highest risk of mortality from the virus, and those who care for them should avoid the rally.

Attendance is a choice...

Yes, but social distancing and wearing masks should NOT be a choice. We shouldn't have the choice to intentionally put others at risk.

It is not the rally that is at issue, not even an indoor rally. One can imagine how to have a RELATIVELY safe rally at this venue, probably with 5000 people. The open question is why it is necessary to purpose try to infect people. EVERYONE on federal medical team and task force is well aware that wearing masks and social distancing is necessary.
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The BOTTOM LINE is that there president wants this rally as a symbol of his person and presidency. And, I agree; it is certainly that.

 

[keith99]

{OFF TOPIC} - Who is pictured in your avatar?

Claus von Stauffenberg. Probably the most widely known of the conspirators involved in the many plots to assassinate Hitler.

Still handsome even after the strafing of his command car that cost him an eye, a hand and 3 fingers on the other hand.

 

[LostMarbels]

Yes, but social distancing and wearing masks should NOT be a choice.

This is America. We have rights. You are going to have to get used to this. Things aren't going back.

 

[keith99]

Rising infections due to the protests was actually quite commonly mentioned. Not sure how people don't know that. :/

And typically the vast majority of those at protests regarding police misconduct wore masks. Unlike protests over barber shops and bars being closed.

 

[JIMINZ]

Uh, no. The rally is indoors so any virus is stuck indoors. Few masks and absolutely no social distancing. That makes the Trump rally a far better breeding ground.

I take it your not going then?

That makes you safe, unless of course your wife goes.

 

[JIMINZ]

So Trump supporters are justifying his decision making by what protesters are doing?

Isn’t that what parents say to their children when questioning them about making bad decisions?
Asking them, “If your friends jumped off a cliff would you?”

I support no Rally for Biden!!

It's to dangerous.