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[cvanwey]

evolution is a process sir...when all things come to an end, what will.....evolve from that?

To view it as a goal? That must be YOUR stance...but it isn´t mine

Based upon your assertion, I wanted to know your position?

You assertion was "all creation is moving away from that initial (and perfect) state towards corruption and decay"

Based upon your assertion above, does this mean that you understand what macroevolution claims entirely, and then reject parts or all of it?

I'm trying to seek clarification?

 

[miknik5]

Based upon your assertion, I wanted to know your position?

You assertion was "all creation is moving away from that initial (and perfect) state towards corruption and decay"

Based upon your assertion above, does this mean that you understand what macroevolution claims entirely, and then reject parts or all of it?

I'm trying to seek clarification?

There is NO difference sir...the world and living beings are not stagnant...they evolve/change over time...and both the environment and living beings effect and are affected by change....

 

[miknik5]

I am not too interested in your personal beliefs I am interested if you have good evidence for your beliefs.

Yes I do and I again point you to what I said...which IS the evidence for my belief.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Yes I do and I again point you to what I said...which IS the evidence for my belief.

Ok.

 

[cvanwey]

There is NO difference sir...the world and living beings are not stagnant...they evolve/change over time...and both the environment and living beings effect and are affected by change....

The reason I ask, is because if you believe there exists macroevolution, at what point did 'Adam' come into the picture?

 

[miknik5]

The reason I ask, is because if you believe there exists macroevolution, at what point did 'Adam' come into the picture?

The moment GOD decided and declared it

 

[Kylie]

You mean to tell me that these believers , these....CHRISTIAN believers....don´t mention JESUS?

Mentioning the same name does not mean they are telling me the same thing.

The devil is in the details, as they say.

 

[Kylie]

You see I don't even need to ask what qualifications you have because your answers seem to just parrot information that you personally don't know anything about.

And look at you not answering the question.

This just proves my point. You don't know enough about the material to understand what you were asked and why. I told you why your answers were not correct in relation to the question and had you known the material you would have known that. Which is fine, not everyone is well versed in every subject that is discussed. However, I find from reading other posts to other posters you usually put on this air of superiority, as if you are so much more knowledgeable than your simple minded counterpart.

You told me why you assumed my answers were incorrect, but since you apparently don't have any qualifications, you don't seem capable of recognising the answers when they are given to you.

So how about you tell me what qualifications you have?

 

[miknik5]

Mentioning the same name does not mean they are telling me the same thing.

The devil is in the details, as they say.

THE FOUNDATION is sufficient...anything after that is yeast...

 

[coffee4u]

Can you tell me how two consenting adults having homosexual sex is any different health wise, emotionally or spiritually than consenting heterosexual sex within a marriage?

You need to ask God that. I already told you that as humans we are not seeing the whole picture. If your friend hits you with a stick to stop you walking because he sees a snake ahead in the grass you might not immediately thank him until you realize what he saved you from.

Every law was to protect the people either physically, mentally or spiritually in some way.
A Christian is someone who not only believes in God but trusts God. Because God tells me in his word these things are sinful or things to avoid them I trust his judgment.

This all may be true but that does not mean a god exists.

Not sure whay you keep saying this. I will keep saying back, that I do. Do you take an issue with my belief in God, does it offend you?

Ok, I just think you believe on insufficient evidence.

Once again, God is spirit and we know him in spirit. It has nothing to do with physical 'evidence'.

No I don't. I do believe humans are animals but evolution is not a complete chance random process. I know what you mean though.

So evolution is a guiding force like a god to you then?

So what should we do if God does not exist?

Nice but this says nothing about the existence of a god. This is again just you not liking the implications of god not existing.

Already told you, he does.

Well then God got it wrong because it does not convince me.

He isn't setting out to convince you. You find God is the spirit and nature confirms it.

No, it is not the same thing. A crack addiction is not who they are it is an addiction that I can define as bad because it has terrible consequences and negatively affects his well being. If my son was homosexual that is part of who he is and you cannot hate the homosexual sin without hating the person as well. It actually will increase his well being.

I do not believe or see that. God says all sexual sin is sin, he does not separate them out and say this one is worse than that one. He says all sexual sins are sins against your own body. There is no condemnation in having feelings, it's the acting on them that God condemns.
1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.
Adultery, fornication, homosexual practices, incest, rape. They all in the same basket. If I viewed homosexuals as different I would have to view everyone as being different because very few adults have not committed some kind of sexual sin. The only sexual sin that the Bible singles out is paedophilia.
Matthew 18:6
but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

Thankfully society at this time happens to concur that paedophilia is a terrible thing. Let's hope they always do, but I place no trust in man-made morals they are as sifting and changeable as sand.
Sexual sins are addictive but they do not define a person. If that were so then male and females living together would also define them. You might try and separate things out but God does not. Sexual sin is sexual sin, all in one basket. In fact I doubt there are very few adults who have not sinned sexually in some way.

I have seen the affects of gods morality, some good but some bad as well. Christians cannot decide on what that morality is and often times when applied it hurts people just as above when you say homosexuality is a sin. What if god said that being female was a sin and we should love you but hate that you are a female. How would that feel?

I think you are mistaking people for God. God's morality is right and just and never changing. People are the ones who change and make mistakes or try and bend things because of selfishness or pride.
The new Testament makes it plain that God wants us to love others as we love ourselves.
Mark 12:30-31

30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’

31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’
There is no commandment greater than these.”

We don't get provisos on that such as, "Love others who are good to you" or 'love others who don't do those particular sins" Just ‘Love your neighbour as yourself'.

If people are not doing this, if they are spewing hatred around that isn't Gods fault it is their fault.

These don't apply to healthy homosexual relationships.

God says it isn't healthy. It is sexual sin which means it is sin against their own body.
Which means somehow it hurts them either physically, mentally and or spiritually in some way. And again don't ask me how exactly, God says it, take it up with him.

Then you do think it is your business. Biblical marriage is far from one man one woman. Jesus may have said that but that is not how it was practiced in the OT.

Matthew 19
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Again if you don't like it, take it up with God.

I don't make it my business what people do, That is between them and God as I have already said. No different than a heterosexual couple shacking up.

What people practice and what God wants them to practice are two different things. You seem to have a hard time separating God from God's people. And again if you are back to the Old Testament you are back to people who were little more than barbarians.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

You need to ask God that. I already told you that as humans we are not seeing the whole picture. If your friend hits you with a stick to stop you walking because he sees a snake ahead in the grass you might not immediately thank him until you realize what he saved you from.

Every law was to protect the people either physically, mentally or spiritually in some way.
A Christian is someone who not only believes in God but trusts God. Because God tells me in his word these things are sinful or things to avoid them I trust his judgment.

Ok. I am not willing to tell homosexuals that they cannot marry the person they love without any evidence it is harmful to anyone.

Not sure whay you keep saying this. I will keep saying back, that I do. Do you take an issue with my belief in God, does it offend you?

No, you are missing the point. You keep talking about mans morals as being bad and I am not sure why. It has no bearing on if a god exists.

So evolution is a guiding force like a god to you then?

No, the mutations are random but natural selection is not a random chance process. It is guided by natural laws.

He isn't setting out to convince you. You find God is the spirit and nature confirms it.

So nature then does not proves a god exists like Romans 1 says? It just confirms what you already believe?

I do not believe or see that. God says all sexual sin is sin, he does not separate them out and say this one is worse than that one. He says all sexual sins are sins against your own body. There is no condemnation in having feelings, it's the acting on them that God condemns.
1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.
Adultery, fornication, homosexual practices, incest, rape. They all in the same basket. If I viewed homosexuals as different I would have to view everyone as being different because very few adults have not committed some kind of sexual sin.

When you lump homosexual practices which hurts no one if done in a consensual relationship in with rape that always hurts someone that is very bigoted.

The only sexual sin that the Bible singles out is paedophilia.
Matthew 18:6
but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

I don't think this is talking about pedophilia. I think it is talking about their faith.

Thankfully society at this time happens to concur that paedophilia is a terrible thing. Let's hope they always do, but I place no trust in man-made morals they are as sifting and changeable as sand.

Why is this important to you? It does not matter if we are talking about evidence for a god.

Sexual sins are addictive but they do not define a person. If that were so then male and females living together would also define them. You might try and separate things out but God does not. Sexual sin is sexual sin, all in one basket. In fact I doubt there are very few adults who have not sinned sexually in some way.

Sin is a barbaric concept anyway. We do good and bad things. God defines us a sinful from birth not man. You seem to think that homosexuals can stop being homosexual or you want them to not have sexual fulfillment like heterosexual people do.

I think you are mistaking people for God. God's morality is right and just and never changing. People are the ones who change and make mistakes or try and bend things because of selfishness or pride.
The new Testament makes it plain that God wants us to love others as we love ourselves.
Mark 12:30-31

30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’

31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’
There is no commandment greater than these.”

We don't get provisos on that such as, "Love others who are good to you" or 'love others who don't do those particular sins" Just ‘Love your neighbour as yourself'.

If people are not doing this, if they are spewing hatred around that isn't Gods fault it is their fault.

No, it is God fault when he said to kill them at one time.

God says it isn't healthy. It is sexual sin which means it is sin against their own body.
Which means somehow it hurts them either physically, mentally and or spiritually in some way. And again don't ask me how exactly, God says it, take it up with him.


Matthew 19
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Again if you don't like it, take it up with God.

I have tried, he will not respond.

I don't make it my business what people do, That is between them and God as I have already said. No different than a heterosexual couple shacking up.

What people practice and what God wants them to practice are two different things. You seem to have a hard time separating God from God's people. And again if you are back to the Old Testament you are back to people who were little more than barbarians.

Barbarians with a barbaric moral code that was straight from God.

 

[Kylie]

THE FOUNDATION is sufficient...anything after that is yeast...

That's like saying focaccia and Ciabatta are the same thing.

Your analogy doesn't work, and you still haven't said what qualifications you have that allow you to determine that the experts are wrong.

 

[Kylie]

The only sexual sin that the Bible singles out is paedophilia.
Matthew 18:6
but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

Numbers 31:18

 

[Qwertyui0p]

I have read this book before. This is just encouraging to believe without evidence. I can believe Allah exists without evidence too. Also, showing us he exists will not override our free will. We could still choose to follow him or not but at least it would be an informed decision.

This is not encouraging to believe without evidence. There is a difference between not having indisputable proof and having no evidence whatsoever. It is explaining why God does not give indisputable proof of his existence. God doesn't coerce, because that would be overriding free will. He gives us choice. Speaking of which, I have a question for you: do you think we actually do have free will?

These evidences heavily rely on the bible which I am not convinced can be treated as a reliable source.

I am convinced it is Manuscript evidence for superior New Testament reliability | CARM.org

 

[Kylie]

I am convinced it is Manuscript evidence for superior New Testament reliability | CARM.org

It makes the mistake of lumping all the NT texts in as one, when it is not.

Also, we accept that the Iliad et al are works of fiction, so any changes that have been made in the earliest extant copies compared to the lost originals aren't as important. Whereas if the NT is being presented as a work of fact, then any such changes are very important.

 

[coffee4u]

Ok. I am not willing to tell homosexuals that they cannot marry the person they love without any evidence it is harmful to anyone.

You are also confusing the laws of God with the laws of the land.

They can get a secular legal piece of paper marriage.
They can't be married in God's eyes.
Two different things.

No, you are missing the point. You keep talking about mans morals as being bad and I am not sure why. It has no bearing on if a god exists.

I already know that God exists, so if you talk to me you know that is my starting position.
Without God there are no morals. God is the one who wrote them on men's hearts but the further mankind goes away from God the more they become about one person's judgment against another's.
Romans 2:15
who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves, their thoughts accusing or else excusing them.
This happened at the time of the new covenant.

I didn't say they were all necessarily bad but because man's morals come from experience, circumstance, feelings and social climate from the point in time they are born and the surrounding culture; this makes them changeable. You only have to study the past 200 years in the west to see how laws have changed. These days morals seem to be based largely upon the warm fuzzies.

We already established that a person who goes around bashing gay people thinks he is doing the right thing. He probably thinks he's doing society a favour.
The person who wants gay marriage also thinks it's the right thing.
Two vastly differing morals because this is what happens when people have left God. The heart knows there is a moral code in there somewhere but it gets twisted either one way or the other because it's based on emotions. This is what you get when mankind sets the morals.
If the US or any western country was overtaken by Communism you can bet your dollar that all those morals based on warm fuzzies will be tossed out the window. Would you like to be under Kim Jong-un? Because I sure wouldn't.

No, the mutations are random but natural selection is not a random chance process. It is guided by natural laws.

So nature then does not proves a god exists like Romans 1 says? It just confirms what you already believe?

God says nature speaks of him and that man must believe and seek him diligently.

When you lump homosexual practices which hurts no one if done in a consensual relationship in with rape that always hurts someone that is very bigoted.

Because they are hurting themselves. I could guess and say the hurt is probably at a spiritual level, but God doesn't elaborate, he just wants us to trust. If it did not hurt them in some way God would not have made the law.

Rape is against ones own body and against someone else. Of course it's horrible. I put them together simply because they are sexual sins. Personally I think its worse but I don't know if God has sins on a ladder system of least bad to most bad. Sin is sin.
Exodus 22:22-24



22 “Do not take advantage of the widow or the fatherless. 23 If you do and they cry out to me, I will certainly hear their cry. 24 My anger will be aroused, and I will kill you with the sword; your wives will become widows and your children fatherless.

I don't think this is talking about pedophilia. I think it is talking about their faith.

I think it could be about numerous things, anything that hurts children and leads them astray. Child abuse, their faith, neglect and I certainly think sexual abuse can fall under it too.

Why is this important to you? It does not matter if we are talking about evidence for a god.

We are not talking about evidence of God. I've tried before-it's pointless. I will say Again God is spirit you meet him in the spirit, the only physical evidence is creation unless God does a miracle in front of or to you. What do you think 'ghosts' and all these other unexplained things are, when they have no physical or human explanation? They are from the spiritual realm. This is also why God strictly forbids us to try and contact spirits. Fortune telling, ouija boards etc because the fallen spirit side will answer.

John 20:29
Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

Sin is a barbaric concept anyway. We do good and bad things. God defines us a sinful from birth not man. You seem to think that homosexuals can stop being homosexual or you want them to not have sexual fulfillment like heterosexual people do.

Sin is anything that goes against the will of God. It can be as simple as being greedy too as horrible as rape. Any sin keeps us from the presence of God.

Some have, there is a current thread on here now by a man who said he was a homosexual and God delivered him. But whether or not isn't the point. All of us are to control ourselves. God isn't saying being tempted is wrong, he says we must master it and if we don't we are to repent of it and turn again from it. (all sin)
If a homosexual says "I can't control myself' then what about the rapist, will this be his excuse too, that he can't control himself?
I am not saying it is easy, just that Christians are called to be celibate unless married.

I have tried, he will not respond.

I don't know what you did, said or felt, only God does.

 

[miknik5]

That's like saying focaccia and Ciabatta are the same thing.

Your analogy doesn't work, and you still haven't said what qualifications you have that allow you to determine that the experts are wrong.

No actually itś not the same thing...
And the ¨EXPERTS¨ are the ones telling you.

May I ask YOU, your qualifications for making this statement?

You certainly do NOT believe in GOD so how can you say to me that I don´t know what I am talking about when I say THE FOUNDATION is sufficient?

THE FOUNDATION is sufficient...and I am NOT wrong...

As to qualifications regarding ¨evolution¨?

Again, the scientists have incomplete information...my qualifications are that I know the information they are missing, but they too, don´t want to listen to the ¨ËXPERTS¨

 

[miknik5]

It makes the mistake of lumping all the NT texts in as one, when it is not.

Why would you say that? How did you come to that conclusion? Please provide some evidence for this statement. Thank you

Also, we accept that the Iliad et al are works of fiction, so any changes that have been made in the earliest extant copies compared to the lost originals aren't as important. Whereas if the NT is being presented as a work of fact, then any such changes are very important.

OK...agreed...can you point to where they were changed? I take it from this article that this is what the author of the article is attesting to...the fact of its accuracy..

 

[Oncedeceived]

And look at you not answering the question.

Well considering you are demanding to know everyone's credentials, lets have yours.

You told me why you assumed my answers were incorrect, but since you apparently don't have any qualifications, you don't seem capable of recognising the answers when they are given to you.

So how about you tell me what qualifications you have?

No, I didn't assume your answers were incorrect, I know they are incorrect. Your answers were simplistic, I mean who says something like you being a mother assured you that reproducing was a thing! Very scientific and completely off point.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Numbers 31:18

False.
In the old testament:
"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" (Leviticus 18:22) and "If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13).

Leviticus also advocates the death penalty for adultery.

Paul writes: "God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Paul writes in Corinthians: "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."