30 Reasons why the KJV is the Divine and Pure Word of God for Today (Update: KJVO Posters Only)

[Bible Highlighter]

Did I not warn you about bearing false witness?

How am I bearing false witness in post #397?

 

[Isilwen]

And you would not do the same?

Nope. I know when to admit that I am wrong.

 

[Isilwen]

You are saying that there is no pure Word and it has been defiled by Catholics.

I said no such thing.

 

[Strong in Him]

There is going to be things we agree upon. That is why I can have fellowship with believers who are not against my position strongly.

But at the end of the day, we are all going to have to given an account to Jesus Christ Himself. You cannot explain how Modern Translations make Jesus appear to sin, put the devil's name in places for Christ and other holy things.

They don't.

You cannot explain how fasting is removed to cast out a persistent devil, etc.

That's a good example of what I'm asking; WAS it removed, or was it never in the original and the KJV added it?
Obviously, you're not going to consider that possibility - so show us the Greek.

It's too much. Too much. The line has been drawn. The corruption is subtle

You haven't proved it is corruption.
You can't prove it is corruption unless you can show us the Greek and the fact that certain words are/are not there and yet appear/don't appear in the modern versions.

But believe as you will. Only God can reveal this truth to you if you are truly seeking the truth.

The same applies to you.

I can only pray that others may see in time so that the enemy does not win in whatever deception he hopes to gain or destroy a believer by his subtle change of God's Word.

What difference do these "changes" have upon the Gospel and our eternal salvation?
None.

I am genuinely glad that you find the KJV so helpful in your faith; that you read it, are blessed through it and you are growing in your faith.
Anyone who reads God's word, in ANY translation, will be similarly blessed.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I said no such thing.

You said, “No, in the real world, the Catholics compiled the Bible long before King James was alive.” ~ Isilwen

Do you believe there is a perfect Word of God today?
Is there a perfect Bible that we can hold in our hands right now?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

They don't.

Simply not true. Go back to the beginning of this thread and look at my 30 points more closely. But are you gonna do that? My guess is.... “no.”

That's a good example of what I'm asking; WAS it removed, or was it never in the original and the KJV added it?

You are not thinking like the enemy thinks. What advantage would the devil have in Christians fasting to cast out his own minions?

I would see it as more as hurting his kingdom by that verse being removed because it is true.

In fact, I can personally testify to this truth in my own life in helping another being beset by devils.

Obviously, you're not going to consider that possibility - so show us the Greek.
You haven't proved it is corruption.
You can't prove it is corruption unless you can show us the Greek and the fact that certain words are/are not there and yet appear/don't appear in the modern versions.

It's Greek to me.

You don't know Biblical Greek. Nobody does. Nobody has grown up in that culture speaking and writing it. It is arrogant in my opinion to suppose that Paul would not be correcting scholars on their Greek today.

The same applies to you.

I tell you what. You prove the Modern Translation and or OAO position with the Bible, and I will listen. Please do not take offense, but so far: You have nothin but an appeal to words that are like at the tower of babel to me.

What difference do these "changes" have upon the Gospel and our eternal salvation?
None.

I believe in certain instances that it can cause a loss of faith and salvation by trusting Modern Translations. As I said before, I started off believing in a perfect Word or Bible. Later I discovered a Christian magazine of a scholar saying there was an error in the Bible. He pointed out the discrepancy in 1 Kings 4:26, and 2 Chronicles 9:25. At the reading of this article, I felt a dark cloud of doubt overshadowing me and it felt like my world was tumbling down before me. This lasted only for a few seconds, but I said.... “no.” My changed life by God told me otherwise that this was an error. I did not have an explanation for this supposed error until many many years later. I provided an explanation on this here. The thing is that if I believed back in 1992 the lie of that scholar, most likely I would not be a believer today. My faith would have been destroyed in thinking that God could not preserve His own Word and could not be trusted.

I am genuinely glad that you find the KJV so helpful in your faith; that you read it, are blessed through it and you are growing in your faith.
Anyone who reads God's word, in ANY translation, will be similarly blessed.

The Queen James Bible?
The New World Translation?
The Word on the Street Translation?
The gender neutral NIV that cuts out whole swafs of Scripture?

Yeah, okay. I will stick with my King James Bible.

 

[Isilwen]

You said, “No, in the real world, the Catholics compiled the Bible long before King James was alive." ~ Isilwen

Do you believe there is a perfect Word of God today?
Is there a perfect Bible that we can hold in our hands right now?

Now your back peddling. All I did was state a fact. You bore false witness against me and I ask that you rescind it.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Now your back peddling. All I did was state a fact. You bore false witness against me and I ask that you rescind it.

Okay. I did reread what I wrote. My apologies.
It was not my intention to openly bear false witness against you.
My words were not clear to what my thoughts wanted to portray.

Yes. You do not believe the Catholics defiled the Bible.

You do believe we got our Bible from Catholics (Which I believe is false), and I get the impression that you believe that there is no perfect Word of God for today.

I edited post #397.

 

[Isilwen]

Okay. I did reread what I wrote. My apologies.

You do not believe the Catholics defiled the Bible.

You do believe we got our Bible from Catholics (Which I believe is false), and I get the impression that you believe that there is no perfect Word of God for today.

I edited post #397.

Thank you!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Thank you!

Your welcome. My words are not always in line with my thoughts always.
I did not intentionally set out to bear false witness against you. But again, my apologies.

 

[Isilwen]

Your welcome. My words are not always in line with my thoughts always.
I did not intentionally set out to bear false witness against you. But again, my apologies.

Apology accepted.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Folks should know that my wife and I do fellowship with a close brother (and his wife, and family) in whom they do not agree with me on this topic. But I am praying for him and his family on this, though. My soul is very grieved that they cannot see what I see on this topic. But I let the topic rest in debating this issue with them because our love for Christ and love for each other in Christ goes beyond this topic. But still... I fervently continue to pray and hope that they may see one day.

The fact that he accepts me as a brother to fellowship with (even despite our disagreement) shows the love of Christ in his life. We can agree on core doctrines, and love & worship the Lord, and love each other and others in Christ. But again, I still pray, and hope (out of my love for my brother and his family, and out of love for the truth of God's Word).

 

[Broken Fence]

No, but they are the ones that assembled the Bible.

That is fact that cannot be denied.

Well the Catholics killed the waldensons around 400 ad because they had copies of the Bible the vatican didn't want common man to have a Bible. They are an apostate church.

 

[Broken Fence]

The Catholic Church has killed so many saints of God. How can you trust anything they say or do. Their doctrine is a lie they change commandments and God's law. Don't trust them.

 

[Isilwen]

Well the Catholics killed the waldensons around 400 ad because they had copies of the Bible the vatican didn't want common man to have a Bible.

There was killing on both sides, so neither is innocent.

 

[Isilwen]

The Catholic Church has killed so many saints of God. How can you trust anything they say or do. Their doctrine is a lie they change commandments and God's law. Don't trust them.

Again, there was much killing on both sides.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

There was killing on both sides, so neither is innocent.

History accounts that the Catholic church instigated these wars or attacks against other Christians. I believe those believers who fought back were not acting in accordance to New Covenant teaching. Those who adhered to Jesus' teaching on New Covenant Non-Resistance simply became martyrs at the hands of the Catholic church. Not very nice. Scripture actually speaks of this martydom. So yeah, the Catholic church here was in the wrong.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

There was a Catholic plot to kill King James with a super bomb that would have taken out a giant chunk of the city, which would have stopped the translation of a Bible in English to be given into the hands of the common man. Catholics always wanted to control what others heard what God's Word said by their holy men. It was not to be read by the comman man.

 

[Strong in Him]

The great commission has been altered. If you trust Modern Translations over the KJV, you believe that you must MAKE disciples. The KJV simply says to preach the gospel, baptize, and to teach his commandments. We can teach. But we cannot make or force a person to believe. We cannot make anything.

Sure we can.
God's Spirit draws someone to Jesus, Jesus saves, forgives their sin and reconciles them to the Father and the Spirit causes them to be born again. All 3 members of the Trinity are involved in salvation.We do not force anyone to believe; we cannot.

But that's not making disciples.
Making disciples = teaching about prayer, different forms of prayer and persevering in prayer even if you don't think you're getting answers. It involves encouraging someone to read Scripture and not give up because they don't feel like it, or because they think they are too busy. It involves teaching about Christian commitment, serving God, holding firm to the words of Jesus even when the world tries to tell us something different, or mocks us for doing so. Discipleship is about letting your light shine, bearing fruit, being the salt of the earth and shining as stars in a depraved world. The Christian life is a journey; discipleship is how to keep going on that journey and follow our Lord.
Conversion, which is the work of God, takes an instant; discipleship is lifelong, and disciples are indeed made.

Also, if you adhere to certain Modern Translations (like the NIV, NLT, GNT) over the KJV, your John 3:16 is in error. It says that Jesus is the Father's one and ONLY Son. But the KJV properly says that Jesus is the only BEGOTTEN Son. We are sons of God, too.

But not in the same sense that Jesus is.
He is God the Son; we aren't.

So it would not be a true statement that Jesus is the ONLY Son of God. But Jesus is the only BEGOTTEN Son of God. So the KJV is telling the truth and certain Modern Translations are lying to you.

No, that's your interpretation.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

My point before still stands. If folks believe our Bible came from Catholics, and they do not agree with the bad fruits of Catholicism, how can they say that the Word of God (the Bible) is a good tree? Jesus said a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit. Psalms 12:6 says the words of the Lord are pure words. I believe my Bible (the KJV) is pure. My Bible is a good tree that has not been formed primarily by any religion that I disagree with.