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Do you believe the KJV is the one and only perfect and divine Word of God?


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It's not an opinion that a certain Bible translation included a woman farting as she got off her horse. It is also not an opinion that the Living Bible translation used vulgar language. It's also not an opinion that the New Age movement hit America around the same time that these Modern Translations showed up. Sure, you can write their appearance at the same time as a coincidence but if you look at things from a spiritual and moral standpoint, it does not seem like it is a simple coincidence. Also, morals started to decline significantly since the start of the 70's, too. Another coincidence? If you say so.

Actually, morals started to decline when we moved from a nation where fathers worked the land and their wives and children helped. Morals started to decline when the industrial revolution happened and the majority of men now had to go to the office or warehouse to work.

This is the true decline of morals.
 
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I also want to address this as well.

I am not appearing to be a woman in my avatar. If it was a picture of me in drag, then you would have a point. The avatar is for you to express yourself, not to necessarily point out your gender.

This goes back to your other thread on VPNs. You have this obsession with lying, and while that's admirable that you don't want to lie, you take it too far and what isn't lying, becomes lying to you.

You may want to think more before you post when addressing such things.

I am not going to continue to argue with you on off topic discussions. I brought these topics up briefly because it tied slightly in with my point about the use of Modern Translations. You are free to do as you wish. I just do not agree with you. I doubt anything I will say will convince you of the truth that the KJV is God's Word. You have already made up your mind and will not look at the 30 points I made in Scripture. You have your reasons. I have mine. You think it is opinion. Well, atheists can think that our belief in Jesus as our Savior is just an opinion, but we know that is a fact. But faith is more than just having a belief in Jesus. There is more to the Word of God than that.
 
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Slapping a Christian label on something does not make it Christian. I used to be into that junk. But after putting it away, my eyes were then opened to what these things really were. I put away secular movie watching out of my life in October 2016.

Anyways, you can check one of my posts on this topic here:

Harry Potter should not be watched by Christians.

Nah, I have seen all the arguments against and like most of stuff which you have posted, it's found wanting.
 
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Actually, morals started to decline when we moved from a nation where fathers worked the land and their wives and children helped. Morals started to decline when the industrial revolution happened and the majority of men now had to go to the office or warehouse to work.

This is the true decline of morals.

Uh, things morally today are not like they were back in the 50's or 60's.
 
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I am not going to continue to argue with you on off topic discussions. I brought these topics up briefly because it tied slightly in with my point about the use of Modern Translations. You are free to do as you wish. I just do not agree with you. I doubt anything I will say will convince you of the truth that the KJV is God's Word. You have already made up your mind and will not look at the 30 points I made in Scripture. You have your reasons. I have mine. You think it is opinion. Well, atheists can think that our belief in Jesus as our Savior is just an opinion, but we know that is a fact. But faith is more than just having a belief in Jesus. There is more to the Word of God than that.

That's fine. Just be more careful before bearing false witness.
 
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Uh, things morally today are not like they were back in the 50's or 60's.

Yep, and things in the 50's and 60's we're moral like they were in the 20's and 30's or the 1800s, which is my point. It all started with the industrial revolution. Not just in the 70's.
 
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Nah, I have seen all the arguments against and like most of stuff which you have posted, it's found wanting.

I have never seen a good 30 point defense on the King James Bible before. There are many points that I came up with that I did not even know existed before. So if I did not know about them, until recently (being a KJV advocate), the chances are even greater that you are not aware of them, as well. Did you look at all 30 points? I just recently added point 30 yesterday. I also added point 29 a few days ago.
 
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Yep, and things in the 50's and 60's we're moral like they were in the 20's and 30's or the 1800s, which is my point. It all started with the industrial revolution. Not just in the 70's.

No. Things today are rampantly immoral and in your face. Gender neutral bathrooms, children taking their parents to court and forcing them to get sex changes, etc. is just the tip of the iceberg of changes between now and the 50's and 60's.
 
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I have never seen a good 30 point defense on the King James Bible before. There are many points that I came up with that I did not even know existed before. So if I did not know about them (being a KJV advocate), the chances are even greater that you are not aware of them, as well. Did you look at all 30 points? I just recently added point 30 yesterday. I also added point 29 a few days ago.

Your points are basically the same points that have been made ad infinitum. Just altered slightly. This is what I mean.
 
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Your points are basically the same points that have been made ad infinitum. Just altered slightly. This is what I mean.

It does not seem like you read all of my points. Did you read all 30 points?
 
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Things today are rampantly immoral and in your face.

That is because of the very medium you are using now. Back then, there was not such an instant way to get the news or to share ideas, so it took longer.

With the advent of the internet, things are shared more quickly, we get the news as it happens.
 
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It does not seem like you read all of my points. Did you read all 30 points?

I did, yes. I read every single one. That is why I am making the comments that I am.
 
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That is because of the very medium you are using now. Back then, there was not such an instant way to get the news or to share ideas, so it took longer.

With the advent of the internet, things are shared more quickly, we get the news as it happens.

So you believe these things happened on the same level today as they did even in the 50's and 60's? Come on now.
 
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I did, yes. I read every single one. That is why I am making the comments that I am.

Then we are done talking. Nothing I will say at this point will convince you. My mission is to preach the Word. I cannot force you to believe it. All I can do is pray and hope you may see one day. Most of course will not see. That is their choice of course.
 
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It's like panning through the dirt (Modern Translations) to get to the gold found in the KJV. There are many verses that do happen to agree. But in those places that do not agree, I side with the King James (much like you would do with the Biblical Hebrew and Biblical Greek). The difference between us is that I can understand 1600's English in many cases without the aid of a code key.

But when you CAN'T understand your "perfect" version, you turn to "the dirt" to understand what is being said.

This is not the case with Hebrew and Greek. You have to place your faith entirely in religious scholars who have a religious bias when they interpret certain words.

You are placing your faith in, even being prepared too die for, a translation made by 47 human beings, who did not themselves claim that they were making a perfect Bible.

You really think that the KJV is better than the Greek and Hebrew Bibles??

So a person cannot pull the wool over other people's eyes with false doctrine (like with Hebrew and Greek) by quoting some ancient language that nobody knows.

That sounds like an excuse to me - you won't compare the KJV with the Hebrew and Greek in case it is proved that the KJV is wrong. So better to bad mouth the Hebrew and Greek Bibles than possibly have your false belief disproved.

The problem is that you have no perfect Bible that you can read today in a language that is close to your own. This means you are ever on the hunt to create or find the Word of God. The next translation coming into online Christian bookstores could be the one. Hold your breath. It could be the perfect Word this time.

Nonsense. The word of God is perfect.
I've asked this before and, either you haven't answered because you can't, or you've come up with some excuse - what key doctrines of the Christian faith are there in the KJV that are missing in modern translations?
I'll take pity on you; none. Hate to say it but people can read about Christ's incarnation, ministry, teachings, death, resurrection, ascension, Pentecost and Jesus' 2nd coming through the modern versions. They can even learn about the Trinity - sorry to disappoint you.
Jesus is the same, the Gospel is the same, the wages of sin and way to salvation are the same.

(Which new age practices is visible or reflective in the Modern translations we see today).

What "new age practices"?

You act like this is the Hebrew and Greek. It is not. God's Word tells us to study to show yourself approved unto God. If I study a passage or verse in the KJV and look at the old dictionaries, and compare it with other verses, pray, and on occasion look to a Modern Translation if needed, etc. I can know what it is saying with no troubles. This is not possible with trusting the Biblical Hebrew and Greek that you did not grow up writing or speaking. Hebrew and Greek requires a backwards free fall of faith.

No, it means trusting that scholars who can understand the languages that the Bible was written in have translated it correctly, under the Holy Spirit, and now what they are talking about.

The Bible was not written in KJ English - I know that's a huge disappointment to you, but it wasn't. The OT was written in Hebrew, the NT was written in Greek and, as Jesus spoke Aramaic there is some of that in there too.
Jesus' OWN WORDS were written down in Greek - fact.
He was God in the flesh - fact. Therefore the words that he, God, spoke were recorded in Greek, and in Hebrew in the OT - fact.
Jesus did not speak in KJ English, nor have, nor use, the KJV - fact.

1600's English does not require that because you can see the connection between that kind of English without our English

That's got nothing to do with the fact that the NT was written in Koine GREEK - street language, slang - and KJ English is NOT street language.

So the very thing Jesus warned us against, the OAO (Original Autograph Only) proponent runs openly into their arms with complete trust.

I've no idea what you mean by that.
 
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If you were to read the beginning point of my opening post, I said that I believe the circa. 1900 Cambridge KJV (a KJV Edition that removed the Apocrypha) along with some slight updates is the perfect Word of God for today. I believe there were seven purifications of the King James Bible (Which fits Psalms 12:6).

Which means it wasn't perfect first time round.
Psalms 12:6 has nothing to do with the KJV Bible.

Modern Translations are problematic at best because they have to each go by copyright law. Meaning, they have to make enough significant changes from one another in order to be copyrightable.

That's nonsense.
Normally a book/song goes out of copyright 50 years after the author/composer's death. In the case of the Bible, copyright may run out 50 years after the translation is published, or after the translators have died - the KJV is 400 years old, so I think that covers that one. The NIV, for example, came out in 1979 - so I guess copyright will run out 50 years from 1979. (Unless it's 100 years, in which case it will take a little longer.)
I expect there are a number of Bible translations that are no longer in Copyright; means nothing.

Also, the problem with never having a perfect Word in our world language today means you are still looking for God's perfect words. You are still seeking for the book of the Lord (as if it is not in your possession).

No I'm not. I have God's perfect word - the Bible.

I have the book of the Lord in my possession. You don't. That's the problem.

You own a Bible; I own a Bible - we both have the word of God, the Gospel, the truth about Jesus and the way of salvayion.

How can you change this?

Don't need to.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).

Exactly what the NIV says - what a surprise.
I have faith and I have the word of God.

If what you guys believe is true, then the Scriptures should have never progressed into the Greek. They should have remained in the more ancient language (Hebrew). .

The NT was WRITTEN in Greek.

It doesn't help anyone if God keeps His Word in dead languages that nobody today speaks. Think.

He doesn't KEEP it in those languages; there are English translations.
And more are made as more manuscripts are found - think.
 
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