Ask God for Me

[Clizby WampusCat]

I was asking you for counter evidence that supports your position of only believing something if it has sufficient evidence...that by reading my post would assure you that I was saying if I am right in assuming your honesty, you would be inclined to answer my questions.

I am not skirting your questions when I say I don't know.

Information. I have repeated that several times.

What information? DNA?

Is it subjective? If you were to go to the beach and in the sand near a low lying tree there were scratches in the sand. Subjectively, it could be someone playing with a branch, scratching around or it could be the tree itself making the marks by the wind. However, if we go to the beach and there in the sand is a message, "George was here". Now do we think this was made by a branch blowing in the wind or do we think someone named George was writing in the sand? We would be correct in concluding that an intelligent being wrote in the sand.

I agree but I would like you to explain your criteria for concluding that. Why would you conclude an intelligent being wrote that?

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

GOD bless you sir.
Keep praying for your family and never cease from praying for them...
And in your heart, acknowledge the GOD and FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST...

This will protect you from every lying spirit that whispers and mutters anything but THE TRUTH...

Give me a reason to believe this is true and I will do it. Muslims can say the same thing, should I pray to Allah as well, just in case?

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Not what I asked.

You said my argument was a straw man and I am asking you why you think it is a straw man.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I am not skirting your questions when I say I don't know.

You don't know what exactly?

What information? DNA?

The information in DNA.

I agree but I would like you to explain your criteria for concluding that. Why would you conclude an intelligent being wrote that?

One doesn't take intelligence and the other does.

 

[miknik5]

Give me a reason to believe this is true and I will do it. Muslims can say the same thing, should I pray to Allah as well, just in case?

You KNOW the answer...
In your heart pray to THE GOD and FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST...

Many profess to have god(s), but deny the SON...those who deny the SON, deny THE FATHER...and call GOD a liar...because they do NOT believe GOD´S TESTIMONY which HE has given of HIS SON...

GOD, by sending HIS SON, not only did for man what man could not do for himself...HE shut the mouths of every lying whispering spirit that mutters anything and everything apart from THE TRUTH...

satan knew THE TRUTH from the beginning too...and rather than speaking it, he distorted it and twisted it and sowed in seeds of confusion from the beginning.

So, in your heart, acknowledge the GOD and FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST>

For there is only ONE GOD...

 

[Oncedeceived]

You said my argument was a straw man and I am asking you why you think it is a straw man.

You were citing an argument that I wasn't making.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Give me a reason to believe this is true and I will do it. Muslims can say the same thing, should I pray to Allah as well, just in case?

Why do you think that is a good argument against the Christians here?

 

[John Helpher]

@John Helpher , given that you spent so long telling me that what I did was the wrong way, I wonder if you are at all interested in telling me the right way?

The way to know if these teachings really are from God is to obey them. John 7:17

 

[Tinker Grey]

The way to know if these teachings really are from God is to obey them. John 7:17

That's not bright. "Do the stuff and then you'll know the stuff is of God."

Yeah, no.

 

[John Helpher]

That's not bright. "Do the stuff and then you'll know the stuff is of God."

Hey, if you don't want what Jesus has to offer, then that's up to you. The point is that you can't say you didn't have a chance, or that God didn't give you the means to find him. If you want to know if God exists, this is the way. If you don't want the way, don't blame God for it; take responsibility for your own choice and just say you don't want it.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

You don't know what exactly?

When I say I don't know to something I am being honest. You seem to think that if I don't believe something I must believe the opposite. This is not true.

The information in DNA.


One doesn't take intelligence and the other does.

On what basis do you say this? Why do you think that DNA took intelligence to come into being?

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

You KNOW the answer...
In your heart pray to THE GOD and FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST...

Please don't tell me I know things I have said I don't know.

Many profess to have god(s), but deny the SON...those who deny the SON, deny THE FATHER...and call GOD a liar...because they do NOT believe GOD´S TESTIMONY which HE has given of HIS SON...

GOD, by sending HIS SON, not only did for man what man could not do for himself...HE shut the mouths of every lying whispering spirit that mutters anything and everything apart from THE TRUTH...

satan knew THE TRUTH from the beginning too...and rather than speaking it, he distorted it and twisted it and sowed in seeds of confusion from the beginning.

So, in your heart, acknowledge the GOD and FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST>

For there is only ONE GOD...

How can I do this? How can I just choose to believe in your god when I am unconvinced? You are asking me to do the impossible or lie. Can you believe the moon is made of cheese?

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

You were citing an argument that I wasn't making.

I know the definition of a straw man I wanted to know why you think I was doing this. Where did I misrepresent your argument?

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

Why do you think that is a good argument against the Christians here?

When Christians say things that other religions can say how is this evidence for Christianity?

 

[Oncedeceived]

When I say I don't know to something I am being honest. You seem to think that if I don't believe something I must believe the opposite. This is not true.

I was taking your word on what you said. You said you had studied the evidence and found it insufficient. I would assume with that you had actually studied the evidence and found it lacking.

On what basis do you say this? Why do you think that DNA took intelligence to come into being?

Hm, I'm trying to keep in mind you are honest here and then you take two quotes out of context. That seems suspect to me.

 

[miknik5]

Please don't tell me I know things I have said I don't know.

How can I do this? How can I just choose to believe in your god when I am unconvinced? You are asking me to do the impossible or lie. Can you believe the moon is made of cheese?

You KNOW that Allah is NOT the GOD and FATHER of the LORD and SAVIOR...so please don´t offer comments like this when you do know the answer a CHRISTIAN will give you already

 

[Oncedeceived]

When Christians say things that other religions can say how is this evidence for Christianity?

You were once a Christian, I find it strange for someone who is searching for truth would not look into other religions.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I know the definition of a straw man I wanted to know why you think I was doing this. Where did I misrepresent your argument?

I wasn't arguing your pride.

 

[Clizby WampusCat]

You KNOW that Allah is NOT the GOD and FATHER of the LORD and SAVIOR...so please don´t offer comments like this when you do know the answer a CHRISTIAN will give you already

Yes, you misunderstood me. I was not saying a Muslim will tell you to pray to Jesus, but they will tell me to pray to god and that god will protect me and such the same as a christian would say.

 

[John Helpher]

How can I just choose to believe in your god when I am unconvinced? You are asking me to do the impossible or lie. Can you believe the moon is made of cheese?

This is a pretty classic example of cognitive bias where the person has convinced himself that what he's asking others to convince him of is already impossible, meaning that he does not believe that he can be convinced, but rather the effort to convince him is only a pretense.

Clizby claims to have been a Christian at some point in the past, but even Jesus recognized there were plenty of people saying to him, "Lord, Lord" who did not obey him. What people like this will not do is to try the teachings of Jesus. Instead they make obedience out to be some impossible thing that no one can do; how convenient.

This essentially means he's a malcontent; he does not want to obey Jesus, but neither is he prepared to just move on with his life, so he presents himself here on this forum as a guy who's trying to be convinced to perpetuate his disgruntled feelings.