Can a Christian have a premature death is he keeps living in lawlessness

[Oldmantook]

They saw a couple died, would you feel happy if your bible believer grandma died and went to heaven. You will be weeping and crying too.

Why do you have the habit of misquoting verses? The verse specifically stated they FEARED God - not cried. One can fear and not cry. Two totally different things. May I suggest that you not add to the Biblical text?

 

[Oldmantook]

We arent the tribulation saints, and if you keep trusting your works instead of trusting in Christ alone. You may end up in that camp.

There is no such term as "tribulation saints" in all of Scripture. If you want to know when Jesus returns he says so in Rev 16:15-16. I suggest you inform yourself accordingly.

 

[Danigt22]

Where does the verse associate works with mercy? It states no such thing. In fact it associates WORKS with JUSTIFICATION. "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone."

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Why do you omit v.10??
Faith alone saves (v.8,9). As a result of being saved, we then proceed to demonstrate our faith by doing good works which God created us to do (v.10) which is the outward evidence of our inward faith.

Then please tell me, how many works do I need to be forgiven of my sins. Was Jesus reluctant to forgive the unrighteous. Because I will never be worthy to recieve the forgiveness of what the lord Jesus Christ did for me. Only he can give it to me, not my works, but his mercy.

 

[Danigt22]

There is no such term as "tribulation saints" in all of Scripture. If you want to know when Jesus returns he says so in Rev 16:15-16. I suggest you inform yourself accordingly.

Romans 4:6-8
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

 

[Jamdoc]

That is a good point. Sanctification is a process - a lifetime process to be exact. We know that God is merciful and patient beyond what we deserve. With that being said, what I find objectionable though is the notion that God will always forgive no matter what we do and no matter how long we do it. The Israelites found out that it wasn't true. Ananias and Sapphira found out that it wasn't true. If one takes the mark of the beast, one will find out it isn't true. So yes, God's grace is indeed great but Scripture warns us that there is a limit to his grace as you can indeed sin yourself out of His grace.

Sometimes God makes examples yes, but could it also be that God destroys the flesh so that the soul might be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus to paraphrase 1 Corinthians 5:5?
When I say that there is grace and forgiveness I don't mean there is no consequence.
Psalms 89:30-33
Makes perfect sense to me that when our flesh causes us to sin that God punishes our flesh to correct us, even if it kills us.

 

[TLSITD]

Yes; God can and does sometimes end the lives of Christians who are sinning willfully. Sometimes it results in that person's forfeiture of salvation and condemnation to hell when he or she dies; other times God terminates the Christian's life to prevent him or her from continuing in rebellion to the point of condemnation. (See 1 Corinthians 11:27-34 and Hebrews 10:26-31, 12:9)

How much is too much rebellion or grievous sin for one to disqualify oneself from God's promise of eternal life to those who choose to remain in Christ? That's God's judgment call on an individual basis. Only a fool would test Him to find out.

I don't believe that Christians die prematurely unless they are being punished for sinning. Those who love God die at exactly the time He intends for them to according to His will for them, whether it be at a young age or an advanced age.

 

[Oldmantook]

Sometimes God makes examples yes, but could it also be that God destroys the flesh so that the soul might be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus to paraphrase 1 Corinthians 5:5?
When I say that there is grace and forgiveness I don't mean there is no consequence.
Psalms 89:30-33
Makes perfect sense to me that when our flesh causes us to sin that God punishes our flesh to correct us, even if it kills us.

It is both - not one or the other - otherwise known as a false dilemma logical fallacy. So while God does sometimes destroy the flesh in order to bring about correction due to disobedience, it is also true that despite His correction, some believers persist in rebellion and disobedience by continuing to live according to the flesh. In those cases, the consequence is spiritual death as stated in Rom 8:13 and Js 5:19-20.

 

[Oldmantook]

Romans 4:6-8
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Once again you take scripture out of context. Are you not aware that the NT passage you quote is a direct from the OT; Psalm 32? V.6 simply means that we have no righteousness of our own to justify ourselves as our works do not justify us. Only faith saves. However, righteous works which we were created to do (Eph 2:10) demonstrate that we are truly saved which is something you continue to ignore.
In v.7, the verse does not state that are iniquities are automatically forgiven and our sins are automatically covered. How do we know this? Because Ps 32:5 states "Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the Lord.” And you forgave the guilt of my sin."
This verse states that David had to first acknowledge and confess his sin before the LORD in order to obtain forgiveness. In other words he had to do something in order to be forgiven. He had to stop sinning and confess. Christ's righteousness wasn't just automatically imputed/transferred to him.

 

[Danigt22]

Once again you take scripture out of context. Are you not aware that the NT passage you quote is a direct from the OT; Psalm 32? V.6 simply means that we have no righteousness of our own to justify ourselves as our works do not justify us. Only faith saves. However, righteous works which we were created to do (Eph 2:10) demonstrate that we are truly saved which is something you continue to ignore.
In v.7, the verse does not state that are iniquities are automatically forgiven and our sins are automatically covered. How do we know this? Because Ps 32:5 states "Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the Lord.” And you forgave the guilt of my sin."
This verse states that David had to first acknowledge and confess his sin before the LORD in order to obtain forgiveness. In other words he had to do something in order to be forgiven. He had to stop sinning and confess. Christ's righteousness wasn't just automatically imputed/transferred to him.

I see your point, that is why I believe God kills us out of mercy. For our spirit can be save.

 

[Philip_B]

I see your point, that is why I believe God kills us out of mercy. For our spirit can be save.

Please try not to tell people that God is a killer. It is unhelpful, and probably counter our understanding of God as the giver of life.

 

[Danigt22]

Please try not to tell people that God is a killer. It is unhelpful, and probably counter our understanding of God as the giver of life.

Most people already know about the book of Judges, and the lord Jesus Christ preached eternal hell. OT is full of God judgement, we are lucky to be born in the gospel of grace.

 

[Philip_B]

Most people already know about the book of Judges, and the lord Jesus Christ preached eternal hell. OT is full of God judgement, we are lucky to be born in the gospel of grace.

God is your Advocate, not your Accuser

 

[Danigt22]

God is your Advocate, not your Accuser

Yes, but not teaching parts of the gospel of grace such as the judgement seat of Christ
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Will take many Christians by suprise who were living in lawlessness.

 

[charsan]

God is your Advocate, not your Accuser

Many do not understand and have very strange ideas which have nothing to do with Christianity

 

[Guojing]

I believe you were the one to first use the term "positional righteousness." Why do you ask me if you brought it up?? Are you now back tracking?

I never distinguished between the 2 in the first place. It was you who did that here, and I objected to your distinction. My conclusion in that post clearly states that John will never consider anyone positionally righteous.

Can a Christian have a premature death is he keeps living in lawlessness

 

[Danigt22]

Many do not understand and have very strange ideas which have nothing to do with Christianity

Everything that God does is just, he is our judge after all. We all ended up short and worthy of hell, if all of us end up there it will be justify by our sins. Nevertheless, he sended his son to take the cup of wrath for us. We cant change God to fit our emotions.

 

[charsan]

Everything that God does is just, he is our judge after all. We all ended up short and worthy of hell, if all of us end up there it will be justify by our sins. Nevertheless, he sended his son to take the cup of wrath for us. We cant change God to fit our emotions.

Some change God to fit their weird ideas. I reckon I can understand now why heresy is a big problem here

 

[Danigt22]

Some change God to fit their weird ideas. I reckon I can understand now why heresy is a big problem here

Every church has that to say to every other church. I mean, atleast no body is in apostasy here.

 

[charsan]

Every church has that to say to every other church. I mean, atleast no body is in apostasy here.

There quite a bit

 

[Danigt22]

There quite a bit

I dont feel its wise to debate someone who is an apostate, I argue about many topic to learn about other people counter arguments and gain insight of the scriptures. If they arent using the bible, and arent believers I see no point debating.