Saved by Whom?

[OrdineeeBe]

But she was named after a flower.

But she isn't one, she's Rose.

I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that YHWH had written a syncretism exemption for running roughshod over his perfect law. Can you show me that verse?

I wasn't aware there needed to be one. Words have different meanings in various contexts, languages, dialects, etc that's a basic principle of humanity, meaning matters, because it is what people mean and their intention that is the truth behind their words

If YHWH says don't let him hear those names come out of your mouth;

They aren't calling out the name of a god that isn't God, they are using a word that used to have a different meaning but has an agreed upon meaning now and generations.

I don't think that the sycretism defense is going to cut it. I would still like to see the scripture on that though.

It cuts it just fine, there doesn't need to be a scripture on this, but if you want to play the fallacy of the scripture game, show me the scripture that says words cannot change meanings and languages can't evolve and people can't have different dialects, etc.

 

[Athanasius377]

I . . ., never mind. ignored.

 

[HARK!]

But she isn't one, she's Rose.

Riiight. We covered that already. If her parents named her Harlot Bat Satan. That doesn't mean that she actually is; but if she's named as Satan's harlot seed, she might want to find a more appropriate name when she turns to YHWH.

 

[HARK!]

I wasn't aware there needed to be one.

There really doesn't. We can ignore scripture, and make up our own rules as we go along. We have freewill. Of course there are consequences; but we still have that choice.

 

[HARK!]

They aren't calling out the name of a god that isn't God, they are using a word that used to have a different meaning but has an agreed upon meaning now and generations.

If YHWH calls Pagan gods, gods; then that's good enough for me. Personally, I don't look for loopholes in his instructions.

 

[HARK!]

if you want to play the fallacy of the scripture game

There is no fallacy of the scripture game. The scripture is not fallacious. I accept it as fact.

 

[pescador]

In your poll question, who is Grace? I've never even heard of her.

 

[HARK!]

In your poll question, who is Grace? I've never even heard of her.

A Pagan goddess. It's all in the OP.

 

[OrdineeeBe]

Riiight. We covered that already. If her parents named her Harlot Bat Satan. That doesn't mean that she actually is; but if she's named as Satan's harlot seed, she might want to find a more appropriate name when she turns to YHWH.

That's such a different context. What if the name was passed down generationally, like what if every female had a Rose in this family tree that was passed down, and the reason why they named the child Rose was because their aunt and grandmother were also named Rose.

If you're naming your daughter "Harlot Bat Satan" there's probably a nefarious motive behind it, yunno what else can be a name tho? Grace, and i'm sure if people did name their daughter Grace they aren't thinking about naming their daughter after a fertility goddess (who had a pretty different name originally btw)

There really doesn't. We can ignore scripture, and make up our own rules as we go along. We have freewill. Of course there are consequences; but we still have that choice.

This has nothing to do with ignoring scripture, you are ignoring how language itself works. You might need to go on a linguistic forum instead of a christian one.

If YHWH calls Pagan gods, gods; then that's good enough for me. Personally, I don't look for loopholes in his instructions.

Using the word grace is not calling upon the name of a pagan god, it's using a word that means something very specific in the current year 2020 in most english dialects that are naturally agreed upon when we communicate with eachother.

There is no fallacy of the scripture game. The scripture is not fallacious. I accept it as fact.

I didn't say the scripture was fallacious, but the game you are playing with it, is. Words have different meanings, just because there isn't a bible verse that says words can't have different meanings, doesn't mean this is the case. The Bible doesn't say a lot of things, and it's quite sinful to add your own made up rules just because you don't like how human communication works or because you disagree with modern linguistic definitions.

It'd be one thing if this was some hidden nefarious message or word, such as the word "gender" or maybe a hostile force trying to get us to use a really nasty word to become a part of lingo to make a mockery of us, but this is not that, at all.

 

[klutedavid]

Sick; isn't it? I have to convert my calendar to keep YHWH's appointed times, in a nation that supposedly trusts in him.

Hope that's a lunar calendar and you rest on the new moon day!

 

[HARK!]

i'm sure if people did name their daughter Grace they aren't thinking about naming their daughter after a fertility goddess

That's the etymology of the word. I could go on all day looking for excuses to sin.

I don't.

 

[klutedavid]

Grace, Greek Charis or plural Charites, Latin Gratia, in Greek religion, one of a group of goddesses of fertility.

Grace | Definition & Facts

Thalia (Grace)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Greek mythology and religion, Thalia or Thaleia (/ˈθeɪlɪə/[1] or /θəˈlaɪə/[2]; Ancient Greek: Θάλεια Tháleia "the joyous, the abundance") was one of the three Charites, referred to as the Gratiae (Graces) within ancient Rome, along with her sisters Aglaea and Euphrosyne.[3] In art, they were usually depicted dancing in a circle.

Thalia (Grace) - Wikipedia

grace (n.)
late 12c., "God's unmerited favor, love, or help," from Old French grace "pardon, divine grace, mercy; favor, thanks; elegance, virtue" (12c., Modern French grâce), from Latin gratia "favor, esteem, regard; pleasing quality, good will, gratitude" (source of Italian grazia, Spanish gracia; in Church use translating Greek kharisma), from gratus "pleasing, agreeable," from PIE *gwreto-, suffixed form of root *gwere- (2) "to favor."

Sense of "virtue" is early 14c., that of "beauty of form or movement, pleasing quality" is mid-14c. In classical sense, "one of the three sister goddesses (Latin Gratiæ, Greek Kharites), bestowers of beauty and charm," it is first recorded in English 1579 in Spenser. In music, "an embellishment not essential to the melody or harmony," 1650s. As the name of the short prayer that is said before or after a meal (early 13c.; until 16c. usually graces) it has a sense of "gratitude." As a title of honor, c. 1500.

grace | Origin and meaning of grace by Online Etymology Dictionary

(CLV) Isa 43:11
I, I am Yahweh, And there is no Saviour apart from Me.

(CLV) Ex 23:13
You shall beware in all that I say to you. And the name of other elohim you shall not mention; let it not be heard coming out of your mouth.

That question you asked cannot be answered.

The name of, 'YHWH', is not the name given by the apostles when they spoke the gospel. The name they gave was Jesus Christ and that is the only name under heaven. Given to men that they may be saved.

Acts 4:12
And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.

The tetragrammaton is the correct translation though. That much you got right.

 

[OrdineeeBe]

That's the etymology of the word. I could go on all day looking for excuses to sin.

I don't.

There is no sin being committed if they aren't intentionally naming their child after a fertility goddess.

 

[HARK!]

Hope

1. Strong's Greek: 1680. ἐλπίς (elpis) -- expectation, hope
   www.biblehub.com/greek/1680.htm
   faith, hope. From a primary elpo (to anticipate, usually with pleasure); expectation (abstractly or concretely) or confidence -- faith, hope.

Elpis
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O: laureate draped bust of Diocletianus
A K Γ ΟΥΑΛ ΔΙΟΚΛΗΤΙΑΝΟϹ CEB

R: Elpis holding flower and raising skirt
L A (coin is from 1st year of reign)

bronze tetradrachm struck in Alexandria 284-285 AD; ref.: Milne 4750
In Greek mythology, Elpis (Ancient Greek: ἐλπίς) is the personification and spirit of hope (usually seen as an extension to suffering by the Greeks, not as a god). She was depicted as a young woman, usually carrying mishi or a horn of plenty in her hands.

Family
Elpis is perhaps a child of Nyx and mother of Pheme, the goddess of fame, renown and rumor.

Mythology
In Hesiod's Works and Days, Elpis was the last item in Pandora's box (or jar). Based on Hesiod's description, the debate is still alive to determine if Elpis was only hope, or more generally expectation. Her equivalent in Roman mythology was Spes.


Don't even get me started.

 

[HARK!]

That question you asked cannot be answered.

The name of, 'YHWH', is not the name given by the apostles when they spoke the gospel. The name they gave was Jesus Christ and that is the only name under heaven. Given to men that they may be saved.

(CLV) Isa 43:11
I, I am Yahweh, And there is no Saviour apart from Me.

Yah is the hyphenated expression of YHWH.


(CLV) Ps 106:48
Blessed| be Yahweh, Elohim of Israel, From the eon and until the eon. +Then all the people will say, Amen. Praise Yah!

Hallelu YAH!

Shua is the Hebrew word for save.

Mt 1:21
Now she shall be bringing forth a Son, and you shall be calling His name Yahshua, for He' (Yah) shall be saving (Shua) His people from their sins."

(CLV) Jn 5:43
I have come in the name of My Father, and you are not getting Me. If another should be coming in his own name, him you will get.

(CLV) Ac 4:12
And there is no salvation in any other one, for neither is there any other name, given under heaven among men, in which we must be saved."

Yah shua!

 

[HARK!]

There is no sin being committed if they aren't intentionally naming their child after a fertility goddess.

Sin is transgression of the law.

 

[Not David]

Will someone mention how the New Testament contain "Hades" and "Tartarus"?

 

[HARK!]

Will someone mention how the New Testament contain "Hades" and "Tartarus"?

Proof?

Book? Chapter? Verse?

 

[Not David]

Proof?

Book? Chapter? Verse?

Acts 2:27–2:27
27For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, or let your Holy One experience corruption

For if God didn't spare angels when they sinned, but cast them down to Tartarus, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved for judgment (2nd Peter 3:4)

 

[Radagast]

I don't even like to use that word.

It's in the New Testament: χάρις (not "Thalia").

Pagan is Pagan. Why on earth did the translators adopt the name of Greek Pagan fertility goddess

That is a total falsehood.

Sick; isn't it? I have to convert my calendar to keep YHWH's appointed times

These would be the times that the New Testament tells us not to keep, I'm guessing.