Saved by Whom?

[HARK!]

I'm pretty sure the ancient Jews in general, whose writings we have in the Greek, didn't have this concern the modern day Sacred namers do.

The LXX stems from a time of extreme Hellenistic syncretism. The Pharisees and the oral torah emerged from those transitions. Yahshua wasn't all snuggly with this behavior.

 

[HARK!]

I'm unaware of the Tetragrammaton being in any Greek Jewish text.

That's because the Pharisees blotted it out over 7000 times. What does YHWH say about adding and subtracting from his word? They were the ones who came up with the oral law that Yahshua rebuked.

 

[HARK!]

I wonder how you can believe anything about the New Testament since it's all in the evil Greek language.

I believe in Yahshua. I believe in YHWH. Abraham didn't have a book. Moses didn't have a book. I have a big head start on drawing near to YHWH.

(CLV) 2Co 6:14
Do not become diversely |yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness? Or what communion has light with darkness?

(CLV) 2Co 6:15
Now what agreement has Christ with Belial? Or what part a believer with an unbeliever?

(CLV) 2Co 6:16
Now what concurrence has a temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, according as God said, that I will be making My home i and will be walking i in them, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

(CLV) 2Co 6:17
Wherefore, Come o out of their midst and be severed, the Lord is saying. And touch not the unclean, and I will admit you,

(CLV) 2Co 6:18
and I will be a Father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to Me, says the Lord Almighty.

(CLV) 2Co 7:1
Having, then, these promises, beloved, we should be cleansing ourselves from every pollution of flesh and spirit, completing holiness in the fear of God.

I know. This probably sounds obsessive.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Romans 9:15
For he says to Moses,

“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

God decides who He saves and who He doesn't save. It is His decision which He decided in His eternity who He saves and who He doesn't save. He gave us a decision to love Him and obey Him. Humanity in Adam has decided to rebel, because they wanted to be like God, because what God gave them wasn't enough for them, and thus we fell. Very well said the Lord, I gave you an option to obey and told you what will happen if you disobey you can decide for yourself because God wanted humanity to love Him as a decision to love Him. If you are not given a choice to obey God then you really don't obey Him. God wanted us to decide to love Him, we decided to hate Him, to rebel, to sin. Thus we all deserve to go to hell, because punishment for sin is hell. No one loved God, unless God loved Him first. No one wants in their heart to come to Jesus, no one wants to repent, no one wants to be saved because our hearts are wicked and our deeds are dark. And we love the darkness, therefore we hate the Light. So when the Light (Jesus) came into the world we hated the light, because it shined on our dark deeds so we wanted to kill the light.

It is only by God's grace that some people get saved. He saves whom He wants. And here's something many might hate but it is truth, God doesn't love everyone equally, He has a scale of love, He loves His chosen children unconditionally and only them. 'He loved Jacob and hated Esau' and no one can do anything about that.

 

[HARK!]

God doesn't love everyone equally,

It should be said:

(CLV) Ro 2:11
For there is not partiality with God,

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

It should be said:

(CLV) Ro 2:11
For there is not partiality with God,

If God loved everyone equally the maximum possible way as only He can, everyone would be saved. But some are not. We all chose to sin, we all chose hell, it is only be His choice who gets adopted as His child and who isn't. That's why He loved Jacob more than Esau, before they were even born

 

[HARK!]

If God loved everyone equally the maximum possible way as only He can, everyone would be saved. But some are not. We all chose to sin, we all chose hell, it is only be His choice who gets adopted as His child and who isn't. That's why He loved Jacob more than Esau, before they were even born

Did not YHWH know you while you were still in the womb? Is he not wise enough to foresee that Esau would throw away his inheritance?

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Did not YHWH know you while you were still in the womb? Is he not wise enough to foresee that Esau would throw away his inheritance?

God loves His creation for sure, but He doesn't not love everyone equally, or He does not have the same type of love for everyone. He certainly has a different type of love for His adopted children...that's why they are adopted, because He loves them so much

 

[HARK!]

God loves His creation for sure, but He doesn't not love everyone equally, or He does not have the same type of love for everyone. He certainly has a different type of love for His adopted children...that's why they are adopted, because He loves them so much

I wasn't aware that YHWH had any adopted children. I thought that they were all begotten.


(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.

And who is the only one who doesn't sin? Because even saved people sin, not that they can and Heavenly Father will surely discipline them.

The reason that we are adopted children, is because we are all children of satan. We are enslaved by sin, and thus with every sin we have an increasing debt to God. Jesus Christ has fully paid this debt, thus adapting us. It's like slavery. If someone wants to buy a slave, he has to pay the owner of the slave. And Jesus paid this debt, so they no longer belong to sin but they belong to God. Thus they are adopted. Jesus is the true begotten Son, we are adopted children.

 

[OrdineeeBe]

Be real, nobody uses the word "grace" with any ill will or pagan intentions. Languages and words are not some evil spell where we accidentally say bad incantations. Words have origins, but that doesn't change their meaning.

 

[HARK!]

Be real, nobody uses the word "grace" with any ill will or pagan intentions. Languages and words are not some evil spell where we accidentally say bad incantations. Words have origins, but that doesn't change their meaning.

The origin of this word is rooted in Paganism. Should believers continue in that tradition, regardless of how long others have been doing it that way? What did Yahshua say about traditions?

 

[HARK!]

And who is the only one who doesn't sin? Because even saved people sin, not that they can and Heavenly Father will surely discipline them.

The reason that we are adopted children, is because we are all children of satan. We are enslaved by sin, and thus with every sin we have an increasing debt to God. Jesus Christ has fully paid this debt, thus adapting us. It's like slavery. If someone wants to buy a slave, he has to pay the owner of the slave. And Jesus paid this debt, so they no longer belong to sin but they belong to God. Thus they are adopted. Jesus is the true begotten Son, we are adopted children.

I showed you a verse that says that YHWH's children are begotten. I don't want to hear about true sons until you can show me scripture which talks about adopted sons.

If a voice comes from above; and YHWH tells me I'm his son; I'm not going to look up and tell him, "you're not my real daddy."

 

[OrdineeeBe]

The origin of this word is rooted in Paganism. Should believers continue in that tradition, regardless of how long others have been doing it that way? What did Yahshua say about traditions?

The word is not pagan anymore, things have power and meaning behind them. For example, an upside down cross was originally a Christian symbol and could be found in various Christian Churches, but Satanists now use it as a symbol to mock God.

Just because something was something in the past or originated as something doesn't mean that's how it is now. These word games are meaningless unless we're discussing differences in meanings or definitions when something was written. Like how Biblically speaking the word Nation meant race or how Murder and Killing had different definitions, etc.

The only reason we need to care about old definitions of words is when we're reading old texts and modernizing the translation in our current dialect or explaining it in our current dialect. Grace doesn't mean fertility Goddess.

 

[HARK!]

The word is not pagan anymore, things have power and meaning behind them. For example, an upside down cross was originally a Christian symbol and could be found in various Christian Churches, but Satanists now use it as a symbol to mock God.

Just because something was something in the past or originated as something doesn't mean that's how it is now. These word games are meaningless unless we're discussing differences in meanings or definitions when something was written. Like how Biblically speaking the word Nation meant race or how Murder and Killing had different definitions, etc.

The only reason we need to care about old definitions of words is when we're reading old texts and modernizing the translation in our current dialect or explaining it in our current dialect. Grace doesn't mean fertility Goddess.

I disagree.


(CLV) Ex 23:13
You shall beware in all that I say to you. And the name of other elohim you shall not mention; let it not be heard coming out of your mouth.

Their names are their names.

I don't believe that it is OK to perpetuate the Pagan practices of our ancestors.

I read of a study in which people who were completely uneducated in the science, were shown long forgotten ancient symbols. They were asked to report how each symbol made them feel. Interestingly, the feelings of the test subjects, correlated to the meanings of the symbols. From this the scientists, who conducted the experiment, concluded that we communicate with each other in ways in which we are not conscious.

The depth of our relationship with YHWH transcends the depth of our own understanding. He knows us better than we ever will ever know ourselves. Any understanding that we have of ourselves is a thought that we have taken from him; but how can we ever come near him; until we can identify the ego, that we elevate above him, to stand between us.

If he reveals any trace of wickedness before me; then that is a sign to me that I am off the path.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

I showed you a verse that says that YHWH's children are begotten. I don't want to hear about true sons until you can show me scripture which talks about adopted sons.

If a voice comes from above; and YHWH tells me I'm his son; I'm not going to look up and tell him, "you're not my real daddy."

Ephesians 1:5 "he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will"

Romans 8:15, "For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

Romans 9:4 "They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises."

Would you like some more evidence?

 

[OrdineeeBe]

I disagree.


(CLV) Ex 23:13
You shall beware in all that I say to you. And the name of other elohim you shall not mention; let it not be heard coming out of your mouth.

Their names are their names.

I don't believe that it is OK to perpetuate the Pagan practices of our ancestors.

I read of a study in which people who were completely uneducated in the science, were shown long forgotten ancient symbols. They were asked to report how each symbol made them feel. Interestingly, the feelings of the test subjects, correlated to the meanings of the symbols. From this the scientists, who conducted the experiment, concluded that we communicate with each other in ways in which we are not conscious.

The depth of our relationship with YHWH transcends the depth of our own understanding. He knows us better than we ever will ever know ourselves. Any understanding that we have of ourselves is a thought that we have taken from him; but how can we ever come near him; until we can identify the ego, that we elevate above him, to stand between us.

If he reveals any trace of wickedness before me; then that is a sign to me that I am off the path.

If I know someone with the name Rose, and I call her Rose, that doesn't mean i'm calling her a type of flower. Your logic is extremely flawed because a word used to mean something in the past or means something when used in a specific context. Well when people use the word "Grace" they don't mean fertility goddess.

 

[dqhall]

Pagan is Pagan. Why on earth did the translators adopt the name of Greek Pagan fertility goddess, and infuse that into our language instead of choosing the Hebrew word, or choosing the English word "favor?"

You can call it an accusation. I call it a matter of fact. As far as reason goes, there is always a reason. I'll leave that supposition up to the readers.

John Newton was the captain of a slave trade ship. He converted to Christianity and worked with the anti-slavery movement in England. He wrote a hymn. Various versions are loved by Christians.

Amazing Grace, by John Newton, 1779

1. Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
   That saved a wretch like me!
   I once was lost, but now am found;
   Was blind, but now I see.
2. ’Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
   And grace my fears relieved;
   How precious did that grace appear
   The hour I first believed.
3. Through many dangers, toils, and snares,
   I have already come;
   ’Tis grace hath brought me safe thus far,
   And grace will lead me home.
4. The Lord has promised good to me,
   His Word my hope secures;
   He will my Shield and Portion be,
   As long as life endures.
5. Yea, when this flesh and heart shall fail,
   And mortal life shall cease,
   I shall possess, within the veil,
   A life of joy and peace.
6. The earth shall soon dissolve like snow,
   The sun forbear to shine;
   But God, who called me here below,
   Will be forever mine.
7. When we’ve been there ten thousand years,
   Bright shining as the sun,
   We’ve no less days to sing God’s praise
   Than when we’d first begun.

 

[FenderTL5]

Their names are their names.

Out of curiosity; what day is today (5/10/2020) - to what name do you use to ascribe the day?

 

[HARK!]

If I know someone with the name Rose, and I call her Rose, that doesn't mean i'm calling her a type of flower.

But she was named after a flower.

Your logic is extremely flawed because a word used to mean something in the past or means something when used in a specific context.

I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that YHWH had written a syncretism exemption for running roughshod over his perfect law. Can you show me that verse?

Well when people use the word "Grace" they don't mean fertility goddess.

If YHWH says don't let him hear those names come out of your mouth; I don't think that the sycretism defense is going to cut it. I would still like to see the scripture on that though.