Can a Christian have a premature death is he keeps living in lawlessness

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from Christ, yes. we ourselves are NOT righteous. only through Christ. the new testament is full of verses supporting that. it is a righteousness BY FAITH in Christ.

As I have said, there is no scripture that distinguished positional righteousness from "other" types of righteousness. As far as God is concerned, one who is born again thru 1 Cor 15:1-4 is righteous, period.

When you use the term Faith in Christ, I suspect you are not using the KJV. It is not our faith IN Christ that made us righteous, it is the faith OF Christ.

You don't accept that God sees you in your spirit? Your true identity is your spirit and you are reborn with the Spirit of Jesus in you. (Romans 8:10, Galatians 2:20, Colossians 1:27 are some examples)
 
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If that happens, what consequences happens when goes to heaven.
Yes, I knew Christians who died before their time. Another risk factor is abusing Holy Communion. Those people are in heaven but miss out on rewards that are given to those who finish the course that God has for them.
 
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If that happens, what consequences happens when goes to heaven.
It’s impossible to have a premature death. Since God knows when sparrows are sold per the example given by Christ, He most certainly knows the time of our deaths. The key to salvation is seeking God The Father through Christ. Christ is The Way, The Truth and The life. I felt as though I wasn’t prepared when He came to me. Once He begins a work, He will finish it.
 
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If that happens, what consequences happens when goes to heaven.


notice what Romans 11 says on this topic.

Rom 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.


==================== another example of that
1 Cor 6
7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

===================== another example of that
Romans 2
3 But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds:

The success model
7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;

The failing model
8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.

9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,

The success model
10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

11 For there is no partiality with God.

12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
 
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If that happens, what consequences happens when goes to heaven.

Ezek 18
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel? 32 For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord God. “Therefore, repent and live.”

Ezek 18
24 “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die.
 
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Ezek 18
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel? 32 For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord God. “Therefore, repent and live.”

Ezek 18
24 “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die.

Yeah, this makes it very clear we can physically die out of disobidience. And that God will be angry at the judgement seat of Christ.
 
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If that happens, what consequences happens when goes to heaven.
If you mean death as judgment for unrepentant sin, I have to assume the answer is yes. I think that's implied by St. Luke 12.

Grace can go a long way, I realize. But inasmuch as grace is unmerited, I don't think somebody should necessarily expect to receive it simply because they believe (or claim to believe) in Christ. Because it may not be that simple.
 
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A Christian can have a premature death regardless of how he/she lives their life.
This is what it gets me confuse, is dying of old age a sing you are more glorify than someone who dies a violent death?
 
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As I have said, there is no scripture that distinguished positional righteousness from "other" types of righteousness. As far as God is concerned, one who is born again thru 1 Cor 15:1-4 is righteous, period.

When you use the term Faith in Christ, I suspect you are not using the KJV. It is not our faith IN Christ that made us righteous, it is the faith OF Christ.

You don't accept that God sees you in your spirit? Your true identity is your spirit and you are reborn with the Spirit of Jesus in you. (Romans 8:10, Galatians 2:20, Colossians 1:27 are some examples)
Your are incorrect. There is scripture that distinguishes positional righteousness from other types of righteousness. One must be practically righteous as well as positionally righteous.
Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous. 1 Jn 3:7
 
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Your are incorrect. There is scripture that distinguishes positional righteousness from other types of righteousness. One must be practically righteous as well as positionally righteous.
Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous. 1 Jn 3:7
We will never practice righteousness in our own merits. It is in the blood of the blood we are make righteous. We deserve hellfire, even if you believe you are doing good you are not. Be humble and trust the lord Jesus Christ and not your works.
 
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Your are incorrect. There is scripture that distinguishes positional righteousness from other types of righteousness. One must be practically righteous as well as positionally righteous.
Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous. 1 Jn 3:7

In the first place, Its a bit of a leap in logic to conclude that John was distinguishing 2 types of righteousness in that verse.

In the second place, John was writing to circumcised (Galatians 2:9). For the Jews, they believe that Faith without works is dead, as James instructed them.

Under the gospel of the kingdom, they are only finally righteous/born again, when Jesus comes back to Earth and usher them to the promised kingdom in Israel (Acts 3:19-21).

In the meantime, they are required to keep the Law to the best of their ability. John and the rest will never consider a Jew as positionally righteous, there is no such concept in the gospel of the Kingdom.
 
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If that happens, what consequences happens when goes to heaven.
What you are referring to is the sin unto death. That is the condition of the fornicator that Paul turned over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh as was mentioned in 1 Corinthians 5:5 (KJV)
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
This is why many can believe in once saved, always saved. Here we have a man in gross sin and his spirit will be saved.
1 John 5:16 (KJV)
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
This second scripture we have a sinning brother and here again the sin is so great that we should not pray for this person. They are under severe judgement like the one in I Corinthians, and if they do not change, they will die early. I think this is very rare and generally will be preceded by warnings. Here is one instance where it was documented.
 
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Maybe thats why God end our lifes out of disobedience.

How does that square with the fact that in this world the wicked often live long lives, while those seeking to be faithful to the Lord often have their lives cut short? Or how about the deaths of small children?

In the Gospel story there was a man who was blind since birth, and to this some asked Jesus why he was born blind, was it because his parents sinned or because he sinned. Jesus' answer was that it was neither, it was so that God would be glorified and then proceeded to heal the blind man.

This idea that God is in the business of going around smiting people is nonsense. We don't worship a petty, petulant little false god. We worship the real God.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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He ain't going to heaven.

I'd say not necessarily, a poster above posted pertinent verses in 1 Corinthians but the mouseover doesn't catch the most pertinent verse imo which is 1 Corinthians 5:5, it's what comes to mind as I read OP's question.
Destruction of the flesh
so that the soul is saved in Christ.

So yes, if you have faith in Jesus, you SHALL not come under condemnation, that is future tense. John 5:24
So once you are a believer in Christ, you're saved, but as Paul writes in his epistles especially Romans 7, your spirit is new, your flesh is not, and it's a war between the spirit and the flesh, it requires effort to deny the flesh on a daily basis to walk in spirit, not even daily, just moment to moment you just have to keep consciously denying the flesh, if you don't, you walk in the flesh, you fulfill the lusts of the flesh, and you sin. What Paul talks about in 1 Corinthians 5 is a brother, that is a believer, someone who is saved, is doing such foul sin that the only way to stop it is for their flesh to be destroyed, for them to die prematurely, so that their spirit goes to the Lord.

So yes, if a Christian is walking in the flesh and sinning, God is going to chastize them and scourge them (Hebrews 12:5-6), it's a part of sanctification, and He may decide, that the most suitable way to sanctify you, if you're not responding to corrective actions, is to remove you from your body, so that your flesh is no longer an obstacle since you weren't capable of denying it.

The most pertinent part of that verse of 1 Corinthians 5, is the last part
that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

So, can you be saved after you die? As far as I know you die once, then comes judgement. So that person had to have been saved before they died. Otherwise, if they were not saved, there'd be nothing about their spirit being saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. It'd just be delivering them up to Satan to be destroyed, OR, it would be saying they weren't saved, and appealing to them to GET saved. But at least as far as the inspired scripture that Paul was writing was concerned, this brother WAS saved, was walking in the flesh, sinning, and so they'd have Satan kill his body to save his spirit.
 
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All of us die a premature death ... we were originally created to live forever .... death is a consequence of sin.

All judgement is up to Jesus and only He knows the heart ... He knows the secret things (inside of a person) ... we do not.

Matthew 7:21

Berean Study Bible
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Who are all these "Lord Lord" people? We really do not know.

Those who believe in works salvation. Note how they try to justify themselves, they say
Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
So when Jesus denies them, they point to THEIR works.
What they should be defending themselves with is John 3:16, John 5:24, Ephesians 2:8, on and on. The scripture points to faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ.

As to the will of My Father in heaven?
John 6:37-40
The will of God is for you to believe Him when He says He is so great, so awesome, so benevolent, so forgiving, so merciful, that even though it's impossible for us to come near to Him because of our sin, that He would grant us a gift of a full pardon and bring us to Him. Why? Because as Luke 7:47 points out, that we love Him more if He gives us a gift we have NO way of repaying, and in giving that gift, it magnifies His glory and His goodness and makes ANY attempt at being good on our own look like a bad joke.
It HUMBLES us to be given a gift like that.

Many people can't accept a free gift, many people think there's some way they have to earn it.
They will say "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"
Because they don't trust that Jesus was enough.
That's unbelief in the gospel.
 
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"But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith . . . Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:"

Nevertheless he never promise to give full rewards. That is something scares me if I fail to be lawful.
I wonder if anyone will receive 100% of the reward that God would have given them, we all fall short of the ideal.
 
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If that happens, what consequences happens when goes to heaven.
What is a "premature death".

We all have our day when we die.

Even if we commit suicide... God knows that day and has known that day since creation.

You cannot "surprise" God.

No matter.... when we die.. the one question will be.... "Did you accept and acknowledge Christ as your savior"?
 
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Jesus said:"Matt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"

A person whom therefore does not behave as a believer in Christ is not a believer in him. Such a person as you describe has fallen form the faith and they are worse off than an unbeliever.

Scripture says they will be punished worse:"
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

Sorry if you're talking about someone you know or a relative, but this is the cold hard facts of it all.
 
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Those who believe in works salvation. Note how they try to justify themselves, they say

So when Jesus denies them, they point to THEIR works.
What they should be defending themselves with is John 3:16, John 5:24, Ephesians 2:8, on and on. The scripture points to faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ.

As to the will of My Father in heaven?
John 6:37-40
The will of God is for you to believe Him when He says He is so great, so awesome, so benevolent, so forgiving, so merciful, that even though it's impossible for us to come near to Him because of our sin, that He would grant us a gift of a full pardon and bring us to Him. Why? Because as Luke 7:47 points out, that we love Him more if He gives us a gift we have NO way of repaying, and in giving that gift, it magnifies His glory and His goodness and makes ANY attempt at being good on our own look like a bad joke.
It HUMBLES us to be given a gift like that.

Many people can't accept a free gift, many people think there's some way they have to earn it.
They will say "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"
Because they don't trust that Jesus was enough.
That's unbelief in the gospel.

I do believe Jesus is enough, that is the correct gospel. Nevertheless, I dont feel people who think they need works plus faith will be cast out to hell. Most of them are fearful that they will be cast out of bad behaviour, but they already know without Jesus their works are meaningless. This is wrong doctrine yes, but I feel they are still save. Jesus said we only need to believe in him. And for the part that said "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?" this happens after the wedding. I feel this are the Gentiles who survived the tribulation, but they didnt help the Jews. Since the tribulation saints quoted in revelation need to be under the law. So, my guess is that they are no longer under grace as we are.
 
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