Can a Christian have a premature death is he keeps living in lawlessness

[eleos1954]

The kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are different things. One can be taken by force, such as the antichrist the other one will never experience that. Paul isnt a false prophet, Peter approve him as a brother in Christ.

I didn't say nor imply Paul was a false prophet ... I just posted the scripture that the "Lord Lord" phrase is contained in ... nothing more nothing less.

 

[Danigt22]

Here's the entire passage to put it in context.

Matthew 7
A Tree and Its Fruit
(Luke 6:43-45)

15Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20So then, by their fruit you will recognize them.21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness

"But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith . . . Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:"

Nevertheless he never promise to give full rewards. That is something scares me if I fail to be lawful.

 

[Danigt22]

I didn't say nor imply Paul was a false prophet ... I just posted the scripture that the "Lord Lord" phrase is contained in ... nothing more nothing less.

My bad, I have talked with some people believe he is the devil. Poor Paul.

 

[eleos1954]

"But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith . . . Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:"

Nevertheless he never promise to give full rewards. That is something scares me if I fail to be lawful.

We just need to follow the Lamb ;o)

 

[eleos1954]

My bad, I have talked with some people believe he is the devil. Poor Paul.

Like Peter said ... Paul is hard to understand ... no way Paul is the devil.

2nd Peter 3:16

New International Version
He (Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

 

[Danigt22]

Like Peter said ... Paul is hard to understand ... no way Paul is the devil.

2nd Peter 3:16

New International Version
He (Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Quite a literal destruction seing how Paul send the fornicator to Satan.

 

[Megan Nicole]

I don't think a person can even be a Christian and be living in lawlessness. The two contradict

 

[Guojing]

If that happens, what consequences happens when goes to heaven.

Romans 5:12-19 explained it well. If all the righteous deeds you done after Adam's disobedience still condemned you to death, is Christ's obedience weaker such that unrighteous deeds you done after accepting Christ will cause you to lose your righteousness?

 

[Danigt22]

I don't think a person can even be a Christian and be living in lawlessness. The two contradict

Maybe thats why God end our lifes out of disobedience.

 

[Danigt22]

Romans 5:12-19 explained it well. If all the righteous deeds you done after Adam's disobedience still condemned you to death, is Christ's obedience weaker such that unrighteous deeds you done after accepting Christ will cause you to lose your righteousness?

I was never righteous, only the Father is.

 

[Megan Nicole]

Maybe thats why God end our lifes out of disobedience.

perhaps, but I know plenty of lawless, disobedient people who haven't died yet. I was one of them once. so I think we should hesitate to make assumptions about why someone dies. lots of very wonderful, godly christians have died young or what we would consider prematurely.

 

[Guojing]

I was never righteous, only the Father is.

But after you receive Christ, the Father sees you as righteous, he sees Christ's obedience in you.

You are righteous, you have to see yourself as how God sees you.

 

[Danigt22]

But after you receive Christ, the Father sees you as righteous, he sees Christ's obedience in you.

You are righteous, you have to see yourself as how God sees you.

When I get my new spiritual body I will, for now I fight along side the holy ghost my own wickedness.

 

[Megan Nicole]

But after you receive Christ, the Father sees you as righteous, he sees Christ's obedience in you.

You are righteous, you have to see yourself as how God sees you.

*positionally righteous I believe is the term. we ourselves are not righteous, totally without sin. but through Christ we are POSITIONALLY righteous. the distinction is important but either way, it means the same: we are forgiven and He does not see our transgressions when He looks at us.

 

[Guojing]

When I get my new spiritual body I will, for now I fight along side the holy ghost my own wickedness.

Oh you don't believe that you are a Trinity, just like God? You are a spirit-soul-body. What you are talking about is the redemption of your body into one just like Christ had after he resurrected.

But in your spirit NOW, you are just like Christ. You don't believe that?

 

[Guojing]

*positionally righteous I believe is the term. we ourselves are not righteous, totally without sin. but through Christ we are POSITIONALLY righteous. the distinction is important but either way, it means the same: we are forgiven and He does not see our transgressions when He looks at us.

There is no scripture that distinguished like that I believe, do you have scripture that says what you are saying?

God is a spirit, and he sees us in the spirit. In the spirit, we are just like Christ.

As Isaiah 61:10 stated We don't just have the garments of salvation, we also have the robe of righteousness from Christ.

 

[Danigt22]

*positionally righteous I believe is the term. we ourselves are not righteous, totally without sin. but through Christ we are POSITIONALLY righteous. the distinction is important but either way, it means the same: we are forgiven and He does not see our transgressions when He looks at us.

Justification cant be lose.

Oh you don't believe that you are a Trinity, just like God? You are a spirit-soul-body. What you are talking about is the redemption of your body into one just like Christ had after he resurrected.

But in your spirit, you are just like Christ. You don't believe that?

Oh you don't believe that you are a Trinity, just like God? You are a spirit-soul-body. What you are talking about is the redemption of your body into one just like Christ had after he resurrected.

But in your spirit NOW, you are just like Christ. You don't believe that?

I know im justify in faith alone in Christ. I dont think I can lose something was never mine. Jesus is the owner of my salvation.

 

[Guojing]

Justification cant be lose.

I now im justify in faith alone in Christ. I dont think I can lose something was never mine. Jesus is the owner of my salvation.

So do you believe that, right now, God sees your spirit as perfect, as righteous, as Christ is?

 

[Megan Nicole]

There is no scripture that distinguished like that I believe, do you have scripture that says what you are saying?

God is a spirit, and he sees us in the spirit. In the spirit, we are just like Christ.

As Isaiah 61:10 stated We don't just have the garments of salvation, we also have the robe of righteousness from Christ.

from Christ, yes. we ourselves are NOT righteous. only through Christ. the new testament is full of verses supporting that. it is a righteousness BY FAITH in Christ.

 

[Danigt22]

So do you believe that, right now, God sees your spirit as perfect, as righteous, as Christ is?

I see your point, I do.