Israel GOD'S time clock ?

[jgr]

Of course they are God never changes: yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

The only apples of His eye are those who are faithful and obedient to His Son.

Both Jew and Gentile.

 

[Broken Fence]

True, He never changes. So if He judged and punished them for unfaithfulness and disobedience in the past, He will continue to do so.

As He does with all of us.

Yes you can either fall on Jesus or He will fall on you. Israel will be delivered by Jesus. God does not cause bad things to happen in your life. The tester tests you. Your accuser, The Lord rebuke him.

 

[Broken Fence]

The only apples of His eye are those who are faithful and obedient to His Son.

Both Jew and Gentile.

Romans 11:26

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

So how long is it before a generation passes away? Its when the last person from that generation dies. And since a few people today can live to be 100 years or more, its possible the end of the tribulation could be as long 90 or even 100 years from May 14, 1948, before the last person from that generation passes away.

Hundred years from now they will have interpret that generation meant sea turtles when nothing happens.

 

[chilehed]

They say that Israel is Gods time clock...

Has it occurred to you that maybe they don't know what they're talking about?

 

[Zao is life]

They say that Israel is Gods time clock and they have always added 70 years onto 1948 , however 2018 came and went. But Psalm 90:10 says , ( The years of our life are seventy, or even by reason of strength eighty. ) Now given that we now live longer due to modern tech and meds , I personally would have taken the 80 years.

They also say that the state we call Israel today was created by God. Yet it was secular non-Christian Jewish Zionists with a goal to create a homeland for the Jews who started the Zionist movement in the late 1800's. After the end of WWI, which saw the land then called Palestine fall into the hands of the British, Lord Balfour promised part of the land which thousands of years before had been called "Judea and Samaria", to the Jews.

The United Nations (hardly "God") finally agreed to partition Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state in 1947, leaving most of the land allotted by God to the Jews (Judea) and Samaria out of "Israel" (the West Bank). Yet they say it was the hand of God?

Jerusalem, in terms of the 1947 U.N resolution, was also to be an international city belonging to neither state, and governed by the U.N. When the Arabs who lived in the "Israeli" part of Palestine revolted, the war which ensued between the Jews and the Arabs resulted in who knows how many thousands of Palestinian Arabs fleeing "Israel" and others being kicked out by the Israeli army.

That war became called Israel's "War of Independence" by guess who? The Jews. The Arabs don't call it that. It certainly wasn't their "war of Independence".

The united Nations is not God and in creating a Jewish state while ignoring the population demographics and the protest of the Arabs living there and the Arab world in general, the U.N created a huge mess that the finest diplomats of the world have not been able to sort out until now.

So is this all God's doing? If God brings His people back into the land they would, I would think, first have to acknowledge their Messiah? Is God going to bless the state after 70 years or 100 years or 500 years while they remain in unbelief and in rebellion against God through their continued rejection of their Messiah?

If Israel is a time-clock of anything, it's a time-clock to Armageddon. Just because God allows man to do what man purposes in his heart to do, doesn't mean that it's God doing it.

 

[Broken Fence]

They also say that the state we call Israel today was created by God. Yet it was secular non-Christian Jewish Zionists with a goal to create a homeland for the Jews who started the Zionist movement in the late 1800's. After the end of WWI, which saw the land then called Palestine fall into the hands of the British, Lord Balfour promised part of the land which thousands of years before had been called "Judea and Samaria", to the Jews.

The United Nations (hardly "God") finally agreed to partition Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state in 1947, leaving most of the land allotted by God to the Jews (Judea) and Samaria out of "Israel" (the West Bank). Yet they say it was the hand of God?

Jerusalem, in terms of the 1947 U.N resolution, was also to be an international city belonging to neither state, and governed by the U.N. When the Arabs who lived in the "Israeli" part of Palestine revolted, the war which ensued between the Jews and the Arabs resulted in who knows how many thousands of Palestinian Arabs fleeing "Israel" and others being kicked out by the Israeli army.

That war became called Israel's "War of Independence" by guess who? The Jews. The Arabs don't call it that. It certainly wasn't their "war of Independence".

The united Nations is not God and in creating a Jewish state while ignoring the population demographics and the protest of the Arabs living there and the Arab world in general, the U.N created a huge mess that the finest diplomats of the world have not been able to sort out until now.

So is this all God's doing? If God brings His people back into the land they would, I would think, first have to acknowledge their Messiah? Is God going to bless the state after 70 years or 100 years or 500 years while they remain in unbelief and in rebellion against God through their continued rejection of their Messiah?

If Israel is a time-clock of anything, it's a time-clock to Armageddon. Just because God allows man to do what man purposes in his heart to do, doesn't mean that it's God doing it.

Yes I understand that, but the Hebrews are returning to Israel.

 

[Zao is life]

Yes I understand that, but the Hebrews are returning to Israel.

Why wouldn't they? They have a state now and antisemitism is rife everywhere. How was that state created though? By whom? By God? Or was it the goal of certain wealthy Jews which was finally realized?

If everyone hated Germans all round the world I would also move to Germany.

 

[jgr]

Romans 11:26

Romans 2:28,29; Romans 9:6-8,27; Romans 11:1-5,26.

Two Israels.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed

2. All Israel:
Not of Israel
Not the children of the flesh
The children of God
The children of the promise
Counted for the seed

Only one of these Israels shall be saved.

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Only the faithful obedient "all Israel", comprised of the believing remnant of Israel (Romans 9:27, 11:1-5), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.

 

[Broken Fence]

Why wouldn't they? They have a state now and antisemitism is rife everywhere. How was that state created though? By whom? By God? Or was it the goal of certain wealthy Jews which was finally realized?

If everyone hated Germans all round the world I would also move to Germany.

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

 

[Broken Fence]

Romans 2:28,29; Romans 9:6-8,27; Romans 11:1-5,26.

Two Israels.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed

2. All Israel:
Not of Israel
Not the children of the flesh
The children of God
The children of the promise
Counted for the seed

Only one of these Israels shall be saved.

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Only the faithful obedient "all Israel", comprised of the believing remnant of Israel (Romans 9:27, 11:1-5), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.

Your talking about two separate promises. The promise to the Hebrews, and the promise to believers. The children of the promise counted for the seed. Two promises both fulfilled in Jesus. Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism.

 

[jgr]

Your talking about two separate promises. The promise to the Hebrews, and the promise to believers. The children of the promise counted for the seed. Two promises both fulfilled in Jesus. Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism.

Yes, all of the promises of God are fulfilled in Christ, and in those who are in Christ (Galatians 3:16,28,29; Galatians 4:28; Romans 4:28; 2 Corinthians 1:20).

There are no promises for those who are not in Christ.

 

[Broken Fence]

Yes, all of the promises of God are fulfilled in Christ, and in those who are in Christ (Galatians 3:16,28,29; Galatians 4:28; Romans 4:28; 2 Corinthians 1:20).

There are no promises for those who are not in Christ.

Romans 11

 

[Zao is life]

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Possibly, but I think many Christians of a certain group (people who I personally think are wonderful people) place too much emphasis on what certain Rabbis want to believe about 70 years etc. It's not even all the Jews who believe all that stuff. Not even nearly all Israeli Jews. But when it comes to one state out of 195 countries in the world, many Christians are looking for the hand of God in every detail of whatever happens in it, though the majority of its population doesn't even believe in Christ. What about those states where Christ's people are persecuted, and what about those states where Christ is openly glorified by who knows how many hundreds of thousands or millions (i.e the USA)? Would God's hand not be upon them too? What's the difference between a Hindu state that rejects Christ and a Muslim state that rejects Christ and a Jewish state that says God has no Son?

 

[Dkh587]

Mistake number 1, thinking that when the Bible says “Israel”, it’s referring to the nation created in 1948

 

[Broken Fence]

Possibly, but I think many Christians of a certain group (people who I personally think are wonderful people) place too much emphasis on what certain Rabbis want to believe about 70 years etc. It's not even all the Jews who believe all that stuff. Not even nearly all Israeli Jews. But when it comes to one state out of 195 countries in the world, many Christians are looking for the hand of God in every detail of whatever happens in it, though the majority of its population doesn't even believe in Christ. What about those states where Christ's people are persecuted, and what about those states where Christ is openly glorified by who knows how many hundreds of thousands or millions (i.e the USA)? Would God's hand not be upon them too? What's the difference between a Hindu state that rejects Christ and a Muslim state that rejects Christ and a Jewish state that says God has no Son?

A Hebrew people who reject Christ our waiting for the second coming together. When He comes both promises will be fulfilled.
Romans 11

 

[jgr]

Romans 11

Yes, Romans 11 as well (quoted previously).

 

[Broken Fence]

Yes, Romans 11 as well (quoted previously).

The whole chapter discusses exactly what your talking about. Romans 10:21 Romans 11:1

 

[Zao is life]

A Hebrew people who reject Christ our waiting for the second coming together. When He comes both promises will be fulfilled.
Romans 11

Yes I agree that just as Judah and his brothers who had sold Joseph into slavery at Judah's instigation were forgiven by Joseph, who is a Biblical type of Jesus, so we will see the prodigal son return and the other brother who had served his father all the years becoming angry and jealous when a great banquet is held in honor of the prodigal son,

and I agree that Joseph revealed to Judah and his brothers who he was the moment Judah showed remorse and repentance for what he had done to Joseph, by offering to become Joseph's slave instead of Benjamin, because of Judah's angst regarding what it would do to Jacob if they returned without Benjamin. Joseph had to bring a great deal of pressure on them before that happened, though.

Judah had been a scoundrel and had brought a great deal of harm to his father and his father's house even after the harm he brought when he was the instigation of the sale of Joseph into slavery in Egypt. But not all Judah's descendants were scoundrels like Judah was - king David was a man after God's own heart and there was always a handful who remained faithful to God, just as in the days of the apostles. Judah's descendants also fared better in this regard than the house of Israel which was exiled and scattered among the nations even before the Babylonian captivity of the Jews.

I agree that Romans 11:25-33 is talking prophetically about what you think it's talking about.

But I do not agree that the creation of Israel or the state called Israel is God's clock. He never brought them back and is not bringing them back because they are in unbelief, and they forced their way back in unbelief, and in unbelief are determined to bring their "Messiah" about. ("We want Moshiach now! We want Moshiach now! We want Moschiach now!") - the chant of many Orthodox Jews.

So they will bring about the fulfillment of the prophecies their way and every time they do this, they will say that it's God fulfilling His Word.

... and many Christians will keep falling for it.

PS: I also want the prodigal son to come home.

 

[Cis.jd]

They say that Israel is Gods time clock .

Who is "they"?