With zero proof Joe Biden claims the President is going to postpone the election

[miamited]

So do Democrats tend to give a pass to other Democrats and want to convict the Republicans as nonredeemable?

Hi dC,

I'm sorry but you'll have to ask albion about giving passes. I just pointed out that the claim isn't much different than many, many similar claims made by the present CIC. For me it's a matter of scale. I can take a couple of questionable statements or claims made by any president. I don't think I can recall any president that I believed always told us the truth. Especially when looked at from an historical perspective. I tend to draw the line at 10 or more.

If that constitutes 'pass' giving in your understanding, as it seems to with albion, that's ok with me. This is America! You're allowed to believe whatever you'd like about me, my thinking, my attitude or my nature. However, I believe the 'facts' (you remember those little niggling things that are the reality of what is) clearly show that there is a far greater preponderance of claims made with no supporting evidence made by our current CIC.

But, you're free to disagree with me if you'd like.

As far as what Democrats in general believe or do or think, you'd have to ask a general poll question of them. I don't think I've ever held myself out as being the 'mind of the Democratic party'.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[Tom 1]

Maybe it can mend its damaged reputation with some concentrated effort.

Seems unlikely, the deny and double down defence seems pretty ingrained. It seems more probable that the party will become increasingly extreme if they lose power, their basic strategy is to keep their base riled up about a limited number of issues and fearful of the dreaded ‘socialism’. It’s hard to see that changing, it maximises their ability to consolidate wealth and power.

 

[miamited]

Hi again dC,

If I may expound just a bit on that last comment that you made...

I don't really align myself with political parties. I have a set of beliefs that I hold about people and how a society would best operate and I try to follow those beliefs. For example: I look at the nature of people a lot. Hardcore drug addicts are generally untrustworthy. It's the nature of a person who is so inflamed with lust for a drug induced high that nothing else matters. People who steal a lot are also not to be trusted. It's just the nature of such a person and needs to be recognized. People who lie regularly, or are known to 'stretch' the truth cannot be trusted either in the things that they say. It's the nature of such people. How many times have you heard an attorney try to catch someone in some minor falsehood on an even a totally unrelated matter, then make the claim that nothing the person says can now be trusted.

I have always felt and believed, that in most matters, the President of the United States should be 'reasonably' trustworthy in his words and deeds. For the most part, I've felt that recent people who held that position were. Not that they always told us the truth, but that they usually did. If they didn't tell us something that later turned out to be false, then I generally try to look for why they may have done that.

Sometimes, as in the case of President Bush, the falsehood was because they were acting on bad information. They really didn't intend to tell us something that wasn't true, but it was the information that they had on hand that advisors had told them was the truth. Sometimes, as in the case of President Nixon, some lies came about to save one's skin. However, in all of those cases, the lies were few and far between. I believe that President Nixon was honest with us to a point, up until the Watergate scandal broke. I believe that President Bush was honest with us to a point, up until he started getting bad intel.

Unfortunately, I don't see that as the case with Donald Trump. His history shows that he has always been very willing to speak whatever he believes will win his point. I find the account of his manservant in Palm Beach to be very telling. That years ago, when confronted about the truth of the account he had given to a guest, his response was 'who cares?'. I believe that Donald Trump has always felt free of the fetters of truth. I believe it's his nature.

So, Republican or Democrat doesn't really enter into the picture. I have supported both parties as presidents in the course of time. But the nature of a man, is what troubles me, when that nature is to be demeaning and mean spirited and divisive when his job should be to join us together as a nation. He claims to be so smart, yet he doesn't seem to understand that no president has ever been afforded the rights of a king. All presidents have understood that you win some and you lose some, but that doesn't give the leader of the nation to go off on rants and name calling those who don't agree with him. I'd like to think that anyone lifted up to the highest office in the land at least understood what it means to be respectful of others.

So you go your way and I'll go mine. I'm always going to be voting for reasonable moral values in actions and deeds. Not perfect, but reasonable.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[Tom 1]

"Mark my words, I think he is gonna try to kick back the election somehow, come up with some rationale why it can't be held," Biden said during a Thursday evening virtual fundraiser.

Biden predicts Trump will try to postpone the election

The lower the turnout, the more likely Trump is to get another term. Seems more likely he would continue to try and limit the number of people who can vote. On the other hand, Trump won’t countenance an election if he thinks his chances of winning are very low, and he relies on his delusion-spreading rallies to get votes. Without those he might prefer to try and postpone it so he doesn’t have to face a loss without a fight.

 

[Albion]

Hi albion,

No, I'm satisfied with my position. However, all that you wrote about giving passes, those are your thoughts. I don't think you'll find any inference in my post that any one gets a pass.

Well, I don't recall anything to the contrary from you or the great majority of people writing about their support for Biden. Do please outline your opposition to Biden so that this misapprehension is put to rest.

I'm hoping that you'll grasp the analogy without further explanation.

No, it will take some sort of an explanation, Ted. Recounting how you have gotten traffic tickets in the past doesn't do much to explain your outrage over Biden's alleged sexual escapades. You should know that.

 

[KCfromNC]

Have the Republicans been cheating elections and won't be able to with mail in ballots or does he believe that it would allow Democrats to cheat the election? Honestly, why would mail in ballots have some great deleterious effect on the Republican side of the equation?

To the first question, yes and yes.

To the second, the data is pretty conclusive that the higher the turnout, the better democratic candidates do. That's part of the documented reason that the GOP has been working to suppress voter turn out by e.g. closing polling locations, restricting early voting and enacting voter ID laws.

 

[KCfromNC]

1. He did not say that.
2. This is way off the subject

1 - sorry, inject bleach
2 - if you didn't want to talk about a hypothetical debate, you probably shouldn't have brought it up.

 

[miamited]

Well, I don't recall anything to the contrary from you or the great majority of people writing about their support for Biden. Do please outline your opposition to Biden so that this misapprehension is put to rest.


No, it will take some sort of an explanation, Ted. Recounting how you have gotten traffic tickets in the past doesn't do much to explain your outrage over Biden's alleged sexual escapades. You should know that.

Hi albion,

I don't think any opposition that I might have for Biden revolves around this issue. 'Alleged' sexual escapades? If we're going to measure on allegations, then let's get them all out. Both those made against Biden and those made against Trump and we can go down the list one by one. From what I've seen, the list for Trump will take a bit longer to go through.

I know what I know. Honestly, my analogy of traffic offenses to the issue that this thread is about really doesn't have anything to do with 'alleged' sexual escapades. In fact, until you mentioned it in your post, I don't believe sexual escapades has even come up in this now 3 pages of discussion. Perhaps you should start your own thread on that issue if it's something you'd like to discuss, but as I said, when we list them all one by one, you're not going to be in a good position on 'alleged' sexual escapades.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[KCfromNC]

The problem I see with your argument is that Biden cannot recall facts.

Trump Says Revolutionary War-Era Army ‘Took Over the Airports’

He has an undeniable problem knowing where he is and why he is there.

Trump appears to walk past his limo The Beast | Daily Mail Online

Instead of getting into the car - which has a large presidential seal on the door - Trump walked along the side of the distinctive 18-foot-long vehicle searching for his ride to the White House.​

Also do not underestimate the things that Biden has hidden in the closet, he has some serious explaining to do.

About what, exactly?

By the way this is what Trump said, "And as for the disinfectant, it kills [the virus] in a minute. A minute. I don't know if there is any way I can use it in an injection , almost as a cleaning. It might be interesting to look at it."

Really? Do you want to volunteer for this "interesting" test?

 

[Albion]

Hi albion,

I don't think any opposition that I might have for Biden revolves around this issue.

Perhaps it would have been better if I'd just asked if you HAVE any concern about the matter (or others like the sexual revelations). I don't recall seeing any.

 

[Pommer]

People who lie regularly, or are known to 'stretch' the truth cannot be trusted either in the things that they say.

I saw President Trump the other day at the daily COVID19 news conference/rally say, straight-faced “I cannot tell a lie!” [Context deleted]

He may actually believe that, seriously.

To Trump the “truth” is not a set of outside, verifiable “facts” but an inward and totally subjective feeling that enables him to “always tell the truth” simply because he feels comfortable saying it.
Does that sound “crazy”?

Oh, yeah! It is.
Therein lies “the problem”.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

With zero proof Joe Biden claims the President is going to postpone the election

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Does Joe remember what
zero proof is?
Might be a challenge?
M

 

[miamited]

Perhaps it would have been better if I'd just asked if you HAVE any concern about the matter (or others like the sexual revelations). I don't recall seeing any.

Hi albion,

Is this you fishing? You probably need to find a better pond to throw your line in. The issue of this thread is about someone making a claim about someone else without having any evidence to support their allegation. I've tried to stick with the subject of the thread. Now you're asking about various and sundry issues that really don't have anything to do with the subject of this thread...hence fishing for something else that you can throw against the wall to see if it sticks. Now it's garbage!!!!! As Oscar Madison proclaimed. Which is pretty much what you're going to end up with at the end of your fishing expedition.

You brought up the issue of giving passes to certain people for certain things. I wrote of an analogy that is appropriate to explain 'why' Biden might get a pass where Trump might not. I mentioned that it's a matter of scale. One or two falsehoods or errors of some kind might get a pass. Dozens of repeated such falsehoods or errors won't. That's not just with me, but as explained in the analogy, is fairly common with society as a whole.

If you'd like to discuss the issue of the OP, then let's have at it. If you just want to throw the linguine against the wall and see what sticks, I'd encourage your own thread and you can title it 'all of the various and sundry things that everyone's done wrong in this administration and upcoming election'. I imagine that it would be a robust discussion.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[miamited]

Hi albion,

I was just rereading your response to me:

Well, I don't recall anything to the contrary from you or the great majority of people writing about their support for Biden. Do please outline your opposition to Biden so that this misapprehension is put to rest.

I get the impression that it really gnaws at you that someone might not think as you do and see the same value in others that you see. As to an 'misapprehension', if there is any, I'd say it's likely from your trying to read into plain and clear posts what someone is actually saying.

Sure, I have understandings and thoughts about Biden that cause me concern. I think he's too old to wage the fight for the job that he's waging, but that's because, at 64 myself, I couldn't imagine wanting to put my life and loved ones through such a ringer as a presidential election. However, that concern is appropriate for both Biden and Trump. I'd like to see someone just a bit younger taking on the job. But it hasn't worked out that way and now we're left to make our choice from the remaining pool of contenders. One could write in their personal favorite, but that's much like just throwing your vote away.

However, given the pool of contenders that we are now left with, I like Mr. Biden's ability to be respectful to others. I like that he sees value in a long marriage to the same spouse. I like that he seems much more able to at least understand the difference between the truth and a lie. I believe that in looking over the entire past of his life, he is much more honest i his business dealings. I know that he hasn't posted multiple bankruptcies from failed fly by night ventures. I know that he is more apt to at least listen to people who are smarter and wiser than himself on the issues that the presidency might bring before him. I know that I've never heard him point to his head and crow about how much smarter he is than other people. I don't think I've ever heard him say how great his gut is in his decision making process. I like the idea that if he wins the presidency, we likely won't be employing his entire family to run the country, as a part of his entourage.

Sure, there are concerns regarding Mr. Biden's age, but as I say, that particular concern isn't really of much consequence between the two who are running. They are both very old men, but one has learned much from life on how to treat others. The other seems to have learned much from life on how to cheat others.

Those are my personal thoughts on the two candidates. I hope that helps you in your ability to understand how others might not hold the same values in deciding who to vote for, as you do.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

 

[SimplyMe]

With zero proof Joe Biden claims the President is going to postpone the election

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Does Joe remember what
zero proof is?
Might be a challenge?
M

I'm curious, what constitutes proof of Joe Biden's opinion? The trolling OP title notwithstanding, as the OP correctly states, Joe Biden said he "thinks" that Trump will postpone the election. I'm not sure what kind of proof you are looking for here -- maybe you are trying to claim that Joe Biden didn't really "think" that?

 

[disciple Clint]

Hi albion,

I was just rereading your response to me:


I get the impression that it really gnaws at you that someone might not think as you do and see the same value in others that you see. As to an 'misapprehension', if there is any, I'd say it's likely from your trying to read into plain and clear posts what someone is actually saying.

Sure, I have understandings and thoughts about Biden that cause me concern. I think he's too old to wage the fight for the job that he's waging, but that's because, at 64 myself, I couldn't imagine wanting to put my life and loved ones through such a ringer as a presidential election. However, that concern is appropriate for both Biden and Trump. I'd like to see someone just a bit younger taking on the job. But it hasn't worked out that way and now we're left to make our choice from the remaining pool of contenders. One could write in their personal favorite, but that's much like just throwing your vote away.

However, given the pool of contenders that we are now left with, I like Mr. Biden's ability to be respectful to others. I like that he sees value in a long marriage to the same spouse. I like that he seems much more able to at least understand the difference between the truth and a lie. I believe that in looking over the entire past of his life, he is much more honest i his business dealings. I know that he hasn't posted multiple bankruptcies from failed fly by night ventures. I know that he is more apt to at least listen to people who are smarter and wiser than himself on the issues that the presidency might bring before him. I know that I've never heard him point to his head and crow about how much smarter he is than other people. I don't think I've ever heard him say how great his gut is in his decision making process. I like the idea that if he wins the presidency, we likely won't be employing his entire family to run the country, as a part of his entourage.

Sure, there are concerns regarding Mr. Biden's age, but as I say, that particular concern isn't really of much consequence between the two who are running. They are both very old men, but one has learned much from life on how to treat others. The other seems to have learned much from life on how to cheat others.

Those are my personal thoughts on the two candidates. I hope that helps you in your ability to understand how others might not hold the same values in deciding who to vote for, as you do.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

Hi Ted, it is obvious from your posts that you are a very reasonable and decent person but I have to tell you that I think you are setting yourself for a big disappointment. Biden is not what you think. One event pops into my mind, he seems to like to call people names, tell them not to vote for him and challenge them to a fist fight, not what I would consider respectful, I doubt you would either.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

maybe you are trying to claim that Joe Biden didn't really "think" that?

He might not know if he did.
Possible memory issue?
M

 

[Kentonio]

He might not know if he did.
Possible memory issue?
M

So like Trump then, who can’t even recognize old friends?

Wolff Book: Trump Is ‘Incapable of Functioning’ in His Job, Can’t Recognize Old Friends

 

[Mountainmanbob]

So like Trump then, who can’t even recognize old friends?

Wolff Book: Trump Is ‘Incapable of Functioning’ in His Job, Can’t Recognize Old Friends

Still much more than Biden recognizes.

Honey I can't find my toothbrush.
Those aren't your real teeth she says.
Remember we pull them out to clean.

M

 

[Kentonio]

Still much more than Biden recognizes.

Honey I can't find my toothbrush.
Those aren't your real teeth she says.
Remember we pull them out to clean.

M

One of these things was actual reporting, and one seems to be some odd fantasy you’re having. These things are not equal.