Who Changed Genesis?

[Minister Monardo]

Lay it to Heart - The Septuagint is Incorrect
(Note: I am only agreeing with this article; It does not mean I agree with the author or the website on other things they may say).

I don't see how where this is particularly relevant. I read the first edition of the Tanakh, JPS 1917, which was heavily annotated. The most common footnote was this *Hebrew uncertain. They also included a significant number of emendations which were omitted in later editions. What is just as relevant is that Rabbinic scholarship was applied to translating Hebrew to Greek a couple of centuries before Christ, which was to some degree functional to "the fullness of time" in presenting the Gospel to the world. I am not ready to discount their work based on some inconsistences in regards to Methusalah. Inerrancy requires enlightened comprehension much more than penmanship.

 

[quaternion]

Jots and tittles are from the Hebrew and not Greek. Jesus also said salvation was of the Jews.

I have no idea how this comment relates to mine.

 

[DamianWarS]

Jots and tittles are Hebrew and not Greek

But the text doesn't say "Jots and tittles" it says in Greek "iota" and "keraia" the KJV just translates this to jots and tittles. You could just as easily argue that Jesus was referring to a Greek based text (since the text uses Greek words referring to Greek letters) not a Hebrew one. But Christ was not trying to make a point about referring to a Hebrew base text or a Greek base text, his point is that the smallest mark would not pass away and when we turn it into a language argument we have missed the point completely. The only compelling argument would be if the Greek words were actually transliterated from Hebrew (for jot and tittle), but since they are not, it's arbitrary.

 

[Minister Monardo]

But the text doesn't say "Jots and tittles" it says in Greek "iota" and "keraia" the KJV just translates this to jots and tittles. You could just as easily argue that Jesus was referring to a Greek based text (since the text uses Greek words referring to Greek letters) not a Hebrew one. But Christ was not trying to make a point about referring to a Hebrew base text or a Greek base text, his point is that the smallest mark would not pass away and when we turn it into a language argument we have missed the point completely. The only compelling argument would be if the Greek words were actually transliterated from Hebrew (for jot and tittle), but since they are not, it's arbitrary.

Yeshua taught the teachers at the age of 12. He is the Dayspring from on high.

 

[HARK!]

Luke was written after 84 AD

also omitted from the writings of the Jewish historian Josephus.

Antiquities of the Jews

A leaf from the 1466 manuscript of the Antiquitates Iudaice, National Library of Poland.
Antiquities of the Jews (Latin: Antiquitates Iudaicae; Greek: Ἰουδαϊκὴ ἀρχαιολογία, Ioudaikē archaiologia) is a 20-volume historiographical work, written in Greek, by the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus in the 13th year of the reign of Roman emperor Flavius Domitian which was around AD 93 or 94.[1] Antiquities of the Jews contains an account of history of the Jewish people for Josephus' gentile patrons.

Antiquities of the Jews - Wikipedia

This narrows it down to about a 10 year window.

 

[solid_core]

Luke was written after 84 AD

Based on what?

 

[HARK!]

Based on what?

That was a blunder. Thank you.

Fixed:

Biblical scholars disagree about the circumstances of Saint Luke's death. Most Catholic scholars contend that he either died at the age of 84 in Greece, while many Orthodox scholars assert that he was martyred after the death of Saint Paul.

In the Catholic tradition, despite the claims of early Christian writers that Saint Luke was martyred, the earliest documents available to the church attest that the apostle settled in Greece, wrote his gospel and died peacefully at the age of 84 in Boeotia.

https://www.reference.com/world-view/did-apostle-luke-die-253b93dbd41378c3

 

[HARK!]

Gospel of Luke

Author: The Gospel of Luke does not identify its author. From Luke 1:1-4 and Acts 1:1-3, it is clear that the same author wrote both Luke and Acts, addressing both to “most excellent Theophilus,” possibly a Roman dignitary. The tradition from the earliest days of the church has been that Luke, a physician and a close companion of the Apostle Paul, wrote both Luke and Acts (Colossians 4:14; 2 Timothy 4:11). This would make Luke the only Gentile to pen any books of Scripture.

Date of Writing: The Gospel of Luke was likely written between A.D. 58 and 65.


Gospel of Luke - Bible Survey | GotQuestions.org

This seems like a reasonable estimate.

I'm not going with Wiki on this one. I don't believe that Luke was written after the temple was destroyed.

So that brings us to approximately a 30 year window.

 

[solid_core]

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[Minister Monardo]

In the Catholic tradition, despite the claims of early Christian writers that Saint Luke was martyred, the earliest documents available to the church attest that the apostle settled in Greece, wrote his gospel and died peacefully at the age of 84 in Boeotia.

Acts would have required Paul to have been taken to Rome, which should help the timeline. The Gospel sooner. Alternate theory on Theophilos. He is addressing the reader, whoever they may be, as "lover and beloved of God", or 'friend of God'.

 

[HARK!]

Acts would have required Paul to have been taken to Rome, which should help the timeline.

I think we're ready to take this to the next level.

Geisler writes, “The Jewish scholars at Jabneh (c. A.D. 90) did not accept the Apocrypha as part of the divinely inspired Jewish canon. Since the New Testament explicitly states that Israel was entrusted with the oracles of God and was the recipient of the covenants and the Law (Rom. 3:2), the Jews should be considered the custodians of the limits of their own canon. And they have always rejected the Apocrypha” (169). And though Geisler seems to deny the authority of the rabbis at Jabneh in one place in his A General Introduction to the Bible (with W. E. Nix [Moody Press, 1996]), he later relays in a chart, “Council of Jabneh (A.D. 90), Old Testament Canon fixed” (286).

More: The Council That Wasn’t

 

[HARK!]

Could it be that the very ones who were to watch over the Torah, were the ones who corrupted it?

Before anyone answers, ask yourself; who blotted our Father's name out of scripture over 7000 times?

 

[HARK!]

Birkat haMinim
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Birkat haMinim.
The Birkat haMinim (Hebrew ברכת המינים "Blessing on the heretics") is a Jewish curse on heretics (minim). Modern scholarship has generally evaluated that the Birkat haMinim probably did originally include Jewish Christians before Christianity became markedly a gentile religion.[1] It is the 12th of the Eighteen Benedictions or Amidah.[2]

The writing of the benediction is attributed to Shmuel ha-Katan at the supposed Council of Jamnia

Birkat haMinim - Wikipedia

 

[Der Alte]

Could it be that the very ones who were to watch over the Torah, were the ones who corrupted it?
Before anyone answers, ask yourself; who blotted our Father's name out of scripture over 7000 times?

If the name of our Father was blotted out of Torah, how do we know that?

 

[HARK!]

If the name of our Father was blotted out of Torah, how do we know that?

You can still find it in the Qumran scrolls.

 

[solid_core]

Could it be that the very ones who were to watch over the Torah, were the ones who corrupted it?

Before anyone answers, ask yourself; who blotted our Father's name out of scripture over 7000 times?

Jews. But YHWH is not really a name of God. Its just acronyme of "I am who I am".

 

[HARK!]

Composition
According to the Babylonian Talmud Tractate Berakhot 28b–29a, Shmuel ha-Katan was responsible for the writing of the Birkat haMinim:

"Rabban Gamaliel said to the sages: Is there no one who knows how to compose a benediction against the minim? Samuel Ha-Qatan stood up and composed it."[4]

The blessing exists in various forms.[5][6] Two medieval Cairo Genizah copies include references to both minim and Notzrim ("Nazarenes", i.e. "Christians").[7][8][9]

"For the apostates let there be no hope. And let the arrogant government be speedily uprooted in our days. Let the noẓerim and the minim be destroyed in a moment. And let them be blotted out of the Book of Life and not be inscribed together with the righteous. Blessed art thou, O Lord, who humblest the arrogant" (Schechter)."[10]

 

[HARK!]

YHWH is not really a name of God. Its just acronyme of "I am who I am".

Nonsense.

 

[solid_core]

Nonsense.

"God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
Ex 3:14

 

[HARK!]

"God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
Ex 3:14

(CLV) Ex 3:15
And Elohim said further to Moses: Thus shall you say to the sons of Israel, Yahweh, the Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac and the Elohim of Jacob, He has sent me to you. This is My Name for the eon, And this the Remembrance of Me for generation after generation.