Where does morality come from?

[Kylie]

You may not personally be accepting but the overall idea of subjective morality means that all moral views should be included and no one can really say that another person's moral view regardless of how morally depraved it may seem is objectively wrong. Because after all subjective moral views are like likes and dislike just different colours of the same rainbow.

Uh, no.

All that it means is that I need to accept that other people may have different ideas about morality. Doesn't mean I should accept those views, doesn't mean I should allow them to bring those views to the table.

I don't like seafood. I have to acknowledge that some people love it, but that doesn't mean I have to accept it when offers to take me out for a lobster dinner.

 

[Kylie]

Nature is anything natural to planet Earth, but I was clarifying it only comes from Humans, not everything else under the umbrella of nature.

Saturn is unnatural?

 

[durangodawood]

....but the overall idea of subjective morality means that all moral views should be included and no one can really say that another person's moral view regardless of how morally depraved it may seem is objectively wrong...

So whats your bottom line basis for declaring a bad moral view "objectively wrong"?

 

[Ken-1122]

Progressive revelation.

You might tell a 5 year old never to touch the oven because it's dangerous. But you might start teaching a 12 year old the basics of using it to cook. Does that mean you're being inconsistent, or just waiting until they're ready for it?

Progressive revelation? So explain how Progressive revelation results in Christians considering “The Curse of Canaan” a justification to enslave African for multiple generations up until the 18th century then all of a sudden after the 19th century it all of a sudden slavery became wrong?
Explain how progressive revelation results in interracial relationships are considered wrong till the mid 20th century then all of a sudden it becomes okay? Explain how issues like gay marriage, and equal treatment of women become okay with Christians when it was wrong before? Please be specific.

 

[Ken-1122]

That's a good question which has provoked much speculation. Does a social species made up of individuals with enough intelligence to contemplate the consequences of their actions need rules of behavior to prosper? One would think so.

Yes which is why they make up laws.

Are they decreed a priori by a divine being? Or are they intentionally composed through conscious rational discourse? I don't believe either one, and am looking for a third option.

#2. Laws are usually the result of conscious rational discourse. No need looking for option #3

 

[Strathos]

Progressive revelation? So explain how Progressive revelation results in Christians considering “The Curse of Canaan” a justification to enslave African for multiple generations up until the 18th century then all of a sudden after the 19th century it all of a sudden slavery became wrong?

That was just using scripture to justify their actions, even though it never said any such thing.

Explain how progressive revelation results in interracial relationships are considered wrong till the mid 20th century then all of a sudden it becomes okay? Explain how issues like gay marriage, and equal treatment of women become okay with Christians when it was wrong before? Please be specific.

See above.

 

[Speedwell]

Yes which is why they make up laws.


#2. Laws are usually the result of conscious rational discourse. No need looking for option #3

Yes, I could see how that could be. The Moral Precept Committee meets... "OK, people, we need this pair-bonding thing but it hasn't really been working out for some reason. Any suggestions?"

It would make a good Bob Newhart routine.

 

[Ken-1122]

That was just using scripture to justify their actions, even though it never said any such thing.



See above.

This was their morality. Again; if objective morality never changes, yet Christian morality is in a constant state of change, how can you call Christian morality objective?

 

[Strathos]

This was their morality. Again; if objective morality never changes, yet Christian morality is in a constant state of change, how can you call Christian morality objective?

Anyone can twist scripture to say anything they want it to say, look at the flat earthers for example. That doesn't mean the problem is with scripture, it's with their interpretations.

 

[Ken-1122]

Anyone can twist scripture to say anything they want it to say, look at the flat earthers for example. That doesn't mean the problem is with scripture, it's with their interpretations.

I'm not talking about scripture, I'm talking about morality. Again; if Christian morality is in a constant state of change, how can you call that objective?

 

[Strathos]

I'm not talking about scripture, I'm talking about morality. Again; if Christian morality is in a constant state of change, how can you call that objective?

God's morality is objective. The problem is interpreting it correctly.

 

[Ken-1122]

God's morality is objective. .

How is God's morality any more objective, everybody's morality would be objective as long as they don't change their minds; do you agree?

The problem is interpreting it correctly

The problem with the Bible is it is written in such a vague way that anyone can interpret it to justify almost anything they want justified

 

[Strathos]

How is God's morality any more objective, everybody's morality would be objective as long as they don't change their minds; do you agree?

The problem with the Bible is it is written in such a vague way that anyone can interpret it to justify almost anything they want justified

Humans are imperfect and make mistakes. So it's not surprising we're not morally right all the time.

 

[Ken-1122]

Humans are imperfect and make mistakes. So it's not surprising we're not morally right all the time.

And how do you know God isn't imperfect and makes mistakes?

 

[Strathos]

And how do you know God isn't imperfect and makes mistakes?

That falls under the category of faith.

 

[Ken-1122]

That falls under the category of faith.

So you have faith in your God's morality, I have faith in mine. It all sounds subjective to me!

 

[Strathos]

So you have faith in your God's morality, I have faith in mine. It all sounds subjective to me!

You'll just have to wait and see where it gets you in the end.

 

[Kylie]

You'll just have to wait and see where it gets you in the end.

There we go. When you've been forced into the "You'll find out when you die" corner, the game's over.

 

[Strathos]

There we go. When you've been forced into the "You'll find out when you die" corner, the game's over.

Well that is when we will find out.

 

[Kylie]

Well that is when we will find out.

Yeah, but surely you can see how it's a total non-answer, right?