How Could God allow this?

[ZNP]

God has allowed this Pandemic as He allowed the Spanish flu and the Plague. He is good and just and loving and He always has his reasons but maybe He is also harder than you would like when He wants us to learn something, repent of something or simply acknowledge who He is. Our God is an awesome God do not mess with Him would be what I am hearing right now. I would say the death of my uncle was an act of mercy by God and thank Him for it. I did not pray that his life be spared.

Fear Him, worship Him, put your faith in Him. He has said that once more He would shake the Earth so we should not be surprised, we were warned ahead of time.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I have found that digging into this question has been very comforting to me. The other day my wife after reading about corona virus, and locust plagues, and the other disasters taking place asked if I thought this was the end of the age. I said it is undoubtedly closer now than 1948 when Israel reformed as a nation. She asked what we should do. I said just do what the Lord has been telling you to do. He is in charge. He knew about this 2,000 years ago, and so the things He has been telling you to do are clearly the best things to do.

Believing that the Lord is omnipotent, omniscient and Lord of all is not some kind of "gotcha" as some have suggested, but rather gives one peace knowing Jesus has it all under control.

Where did Jesus say he has everything under control all the time for everyone?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Fear Him, worship Him, put your faith in Him. He has said that once more He would shake the Earth so we should not be surprised, we were warned ahead of time.

When one fears Him, worships Him, has faith in Him, they obey Him.

 

[ZNP]

Where did Jesus say he has everything under control all the time for everyone?

You are twisting my words. I said "He has it all under control". This is referring to the end of the age. It was also in the context of continuing to be faithful to the Lord's word to you and following Him.

All things work together for good to those that love God and are called according to His purpose.

14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”

And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.

Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,

No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? ...

Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

But thanks be to God, who in Christ always leads us in triumphal procession, and through us spreads the fragrance of the knowledge of him everywhere.

“O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.

For the Lord your God is he who goes with you to fight for you against your enemies, to give you the victory.’

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You are twisting my words. I said "He has it all under control". This is referring to the end of the age. It was also in the context of continuing to be faithful to the Lord's word to you and following Him.

All things work together for good to those that love God and are called according to His purpose.

14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”

And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.

Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,

No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.

For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? ...

Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

But thanks be to God, who in Christ always leads us in triumphal procession, and through us spreads the fragrance of the knowledge of him everywhere.

“O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.

For the Lord your God is he who goes with you to fight for you against your enemies, to give you the victory.’

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

So he’s only in control regarding the end of the age right? You didn’t specify that you know. You just said it was comforting that he’s in control.

The end of the age he talked about is now history for us, btw.

Is that the only time point he’s in control? What do you mean “in control?”

Where do those scriptures say he is in control?

 

[Jamesone5]

I worship Jesus, Lord of all.

At least with me the question was over if satan had authority , not who you say you worship.

Care to address that authority factor?

 

[ZNP]

So he’s only in control regarding the end of the age right? You didn’t specify that you know. You just said it was comforting that he’s in control.

The end of the age he talked about is now history for us, btw.

Is that the only time point he’s in control? What do you mean “in control?”

Where do those scriptures say he is in control?

Why is it that you twist every single post I make? What is your issue, is this intentional or just you don't read more than 5 words?

1. All things work together for good to those that love God.

How do you limit that to just the end of the age?

He causes us to triumph everywhere.

There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ -- that would be all the time.

The History for us is that He has overcome the world and overcome death.

 

[ZNP]

At least with me the question was over if satan had authority , not who you say you worship.

Care to address that authority factor?

Satan told Jesus he would give him the glory of all the nations if Jesus worshipped him. If Jesus worshipped him that would put him on equal footing with God, who is the one who gives him the authority.

I said I worship Jesus, that means I recognize Jesus is God, and I said Jesus was Lord of all, that means Jesus has all the authority. I did answer your question.

 

[Jamesone5]

Satan told Jesus he would give him the glory of all the nations if Jesus worshipped him. If Jesus worshipped him that would put him on equal footing with God, who is the one who gives him the authority.

I said I worship Jesus, that means I recognize Jesus is God, and I said Jesus was Lord of all, that means Jesus has all the authority. I did answer your question.

You avoided the question.
Does satan have authority? Or more specifically, authority from God?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Why is it that you twist every single post I make?

Why can’t I ask questions? I’m not twisting your words at all, neither time. Maybe you’re not used to people thinking about what your say and ask questions

What is your issue, is this intentional or just you don't read more than 5 words?

Wow! How insulting!

1. All things work together for good to those that love God.

Doesn’t even hint at Jesus being in control.

How do you limit that to just the end of the age?

You said that refers to the end of the age. Those are your words.

He causes us to triumph everywhere.

So that describes your life at every point.

There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ -- that would be all the time.

This addresses what issue?

The History for us is that He has overcome the world and overcome death.

Ok, you can quote scripture. Probably this won’t be fruitful. I prefer to think about scripture.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You avoided the question.
Does satan have authority? Or more specifically, authority from God?

ZNP apparently avoids questions.

 

[ZNP]

You avoided the question.
Does satan have authority? Or more specifically, authority from God?

Do you read what I said "If Jesus worshipped him that would put him on equal footing with God, who is the one who gives him the authority."

According to Job Satan had authority.

I also understand that he is the prince of the air talked about in Ephesians.

I also understand that when Daniel talks about Angels representing cities and countries and that these angels hindered other angels from answering Daniel's prayer that this suggests some of these are fallen angels.

I also understand in Revelation when the Man Child is caught up to heaven it says that there is no place found for Satan anymore and he is cast down to the Earth.

I don't know anything more than what the Bible says and do not care. Jesus is Lord, He is the one I listen to, why do I need to worry about everything else that is under His control.

 

[ZNP]

Why can’t I ask questions? I’m not twisting your words at all, neither time.

Really. Did I ever say you can't ask questions? No, but your post implies I did.

Maybe you’re not used to people thinking about what your say and ask questions

Another ugly insinuation. What question have I not answered?

Wow! How insulting! Doesn’t even hint at Jesus being in control.
You said that refers to the end of the age. Those are your words.

Yes, I also said I was talking to my wife who asked a question specifically about the end of the age. What was it again, oh yeah, do you think this is the end of the age? So of course, in the context of that discussion. You then take a word spoken in that context out of context and ascribe it to a universal meaning. I said Jesus has everything under control. You turn that into Jesus has everything under control for every person, with who knows how that would in turn be interpreted. So yes, you take my words out of context, and you change my words. That is what I mean by twisting them to mean something I never said.

So that describes your life at every point.
This addresses what issue?
Ok, you can quote scripture. Probably this won’t be fruitful. I prefer to think about scripture.

The term condemnation can be understood as defeat. You are not condemned you are not defeated. This applies directly to what you asked about Jesus having everything under control.

 

[ZNP]

ZNP apparently avoids questions.

What question did I avoid. Give me the post where the question was asked that I have avoided.

 

[ZNP]

So he’s only in control regarding the end of the age right?

This is an example of twisting my words. Show me the post where I said this. You will see you have taken something I said out of context and twisted it to mean something I never said.

 

[ZNP]

Wow! How insulting!

How is this insulting? The very first post quote I gave you is that all things work together for good to those who love God and are called according to purpose. And the very first question you ask is "So he’s only in control regarding the end of the age right?" How can anyone get that if they read that very first quote? Explain how you thought "all things" in Romans 8 only refers to the end of the age? Therefore it is a very reasonable conclusion to ask if you only read the first part and didn't read the verse?

 

[ZNP]

Where did Jesus say he has everything under control all the time for everyone?

This is another example of you misquoting me. I said to my wife in response to a question about the end of the age that she doesn't need to worry, Jesus has it all under control, He told us about it 2,000 years ago, He is omniscient, He is omnipotent, and His word tells us what we should do. So be at peace, continue obeying Him and you will be fine.

Anyone who read that post would realize my wife is saved, born again believer in God. To then try and apply that word to everything, all the time, for everyone, is to misquote me.

That is why I quoted Rom 8 -- all things work together for good to those who love God and are called according to purpose. There are two caveats and they don't apply to everyone.

 

[ZNP]

Why can’t I ask questions?

This implies I said you can't ask questions. Show me the post where I said that.

 

[Jamesone5]

Do you read what I said "If Jesus worshipped him that would put him on equal footing with God, who is the one who gives him the authority."

According to Job Satan had authority.

I also understand that he is the prince of the air talked about in Ephesians.

I also understand that when Daniel talks about Angels representing cities and countries and that these angels hindered other angels from answering Daniel's prayer that this suggests some of these are fallen angels.

I also understand in Revelation when the Man Child is caught up to heaven it says that there is no place found for Satan anymore and he is cast down to the Earth.

I don't know anything more than what the Bible says and do not care. Jesus is Lord, He is the one I listen to, why do I need to worry about everything else that is under His control.

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

Now don't you suppose satan lied about God giving him authority as well? The only thing he spoke truth of was when he quoted scripture.

 

[ZNP]

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

Now don't you suppose satan lied about God giving him authority as well? The only thing he spoke truth of was when he quoted scripture.

Asked and answered. For the second time, Jesus is Lord, Jesus is the Son of God, Satan is not going to be able to slide a lie past Jesus.

25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

We are the babes, not the wise and prudent. So then how does He keep us from being deceived? No one knows the Father except the Son and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. It is Jesus that can't be deceived, that is the protection. All those wise, prudent, full of themselves atheists don't deceive Jesus and He never reveals the Father to them. Since this is the case I don't believe Satan could deceive Jesus with a lie. First, He just said He can't. Second, He also said that no one knows the Father except Him, so He would know if the Father had given authority to Satan.

But if you want to believe differently so be it, this is not an item of the faith.