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But we do have a record of Satan offering to give Jesus all the glory of the world if Jesus would bow down to him and Jesus does not dispute this. Therefore it is perfectly reasonable to say that Satan had authority over the world.

Not really.
Why contradict, or get into a discussion with, the devil when you can defeat him?

The devil is prince of this world - but God is king and will never abdicate.
 
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Statistically irrelevant. The main casualties are older people with underlying conditions.

Maybe.
But it was your dismissive comment of victims being "fat and old" and that God was "purging a nation that had let itself go", that I found unnecessary.

I am assuming Gods Sovereignty and then describing what He is allowing. The people who are dying are the ones who have literally let themselves go,

Except for the front line medics who are working their socks off to help others. Or the teachers, teenagers or children.
What gave you the right to you write vulnerable/sick people off as being "fat and old"?

The only one where no blame can be attached is the age of a person.

So basically it's their own fault they're dying?
Such compassion.

In my experience there is a connection between people who have given up spiritually or who have no real discipline and people with physical problems.

So a person's physical health depends on, or reflects, their spiritual condition?
Not in my experience. Joni Eareckon-Tada is a wonderful woman. David Watson described a new intimacy with the Lord when he has cancer. Alec Buchannan, Marge Williers, David Watson, possibly John Wimber and others maintained a life of Christian service, pray, Bible study and so on while battling ill health. Locally, I know many who have amazing spiritual lives but still contend with physical problems.

Some Christians have a discipline about bible study and prayer and none regarding their own bodies.

Some may even be perfectly fit, physically, yet are not Christians, and judgemental, wicked and unkind towards others - i.e spiritually dead, physically healthy.
 
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But we do have a record of Satan offering to give Jesus all the glory of the world if Jesus would bow down to him and Jesus does not dispute this. Therefore it is perfectly reasonable to say that Satan had authority over the world. Yet when Satan tempts Jesus He refutes him with the word of God and Satan also uses the word of God to tempt Jesus. This shows that they both recognized God's word as a higher authority.

Therefore it is perfectly reasonable to say that Satan had authority over the world----ZNP

Have you checked with God on that?

No where in the Bible did God specifically say He gave satan "authority" over the whole earth.
Luke 4:6
And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.

Jesus could have answered Him in truth many ways but He chose to answer in this way to hopefully teach those of us who are listening
Luke 4:8
8 And Jesus answered and said to him, “Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written,‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”


And not just Gods' Word has the "higher authority" but God Himself. The notion that God must be just hoping to win the battle and throw satan in the bottomless pit in Revelations 20:2-3 is too ridiculous to even imagine.
 
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No where in the Bible did God specifically say He gave satan "authority" over the whole earth.
Luke 4:6
And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
Who gave him this authority?
 
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Who gave him this authority?
he {satan] pretended God did.
he is the father of lies--no?

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
 
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he {satan] pretended God did.
he is the father of lies--no?

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
Then Jesus would have called him on it.
 
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Doesn’t say that, either one.

Scripture did not mention "Trinity" nor "Rapture" too.

Romans 5:12-19, Adam's sin condemned all his descendants to death even when we committed no sin. He was our representative before God.
 
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Where does it say God rejected all of us at all?
I don’t accept it and I still am able to accept that God loves the world. Where does it say we receive Jesus obedience though?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3:23&version=KJV
Romans 3:23 Sin is a noun in almost all of Paul's writings.

As for your 2nd question
Romans 5:17, KJV: "For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
 
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Then Jesus would have called him on it.

You seem to think the Bible should list all the particular "dos" and "dont's" and truth and lies. Your Bible would be huge, and then would people understand it even more?

You simply answer the question of whether God gave satan authority or NOT from other verses in the Bible.

You have not heard the phrase ---The Bible interprets the Bible?
 
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You seem to think the Bible should list all the particular "dos" and "dont's" and truth and lies. Your Bible would be huge, and then would people understand it even more?

You simply answer the question of whether God gave satan authority or NOT from other verses in the Bible.

You have not heard the phrase ---The Bible interprets the Bible?
You claim that Satan's statement to the Lord was a lie, that God didn't give him this authority. I cannot see Satan being able to lie to the Lord without Him catching it.

So now you say that the Lord did catch him on it, but the Bible just skipped that part. It seems to me to be a very critical point to clear up, if God has not given Satan authority over the world then we should be told.

So, who is Jesus talking about?
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Who is Paul talking about?
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
 
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God rejected all of us because we receive Adam's sin, that is already a punishment.

If you don't want to accept that, you won't be able to accept that God now accepts us because we receive Jesus's obedience.

By faith in Jesus, who paid for our sins, is how we are accepted by God. Despite all the Scriptures that show what a Gospel Faith means, you apparently feel you are not responsible before God to remain faithful to the end to be saved.

You are free to believe what you like, but what you are proposing is not in the Bible.

Humans will not being punished for anyone's sins but their own.

Ezekiel 18:19-23 (WEB)
19 “Yet you say, ‘Why doesn’t the son bear the iniquity of the father?’ When the son has done that which is lawful and right, and has kept all my statutes, and has done them, he will surely live. 20 The soul who sins, he shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.
21 “But if the wicked turns from all his sins that he has committed, and keeps all my statutes, and does that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live. He shall not die. 22 None of his transgressions that he has committed will be remembered against him. In his righteousness that he has done, he shall live. 23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked?” says the Lord Yahweh; “and not rather that he should return from his way, and live?

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By faith in Jesus, who paid for our sins, is how we are accepted by God. Despite all the Scriptures that show what a Gospel Faith means, you apparently feel you are not responsible before God to remain faithful to the end to be saved.

You are free to believe what you like, but what you are proposing is not in the Bible.

Humans will not being punished for anyone's sins but their own.

Ezekiel 18:19-23 (WEB)
19 “Yet you say, ‘Why doesn’t the son bear the iniquity of the father?’ When the son has done that which is lawful and right, and has kept all my statutes, and has done them, he will surely live. 20 The soul who sins, he shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.
21 “But if the wicked turns from all his sins that he has committed, and keeps all my statutes, and does that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live. He shall not die. 22 None of his transgressions that he has committed will be remembered against him. In his righteousness that he has done, he shall live. 23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked?” says the Lord Yahweh; “and not rather that he should return from his way, and live?

Blessings

Your definition of faith includes works too?
 
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Your definition of faith includes works too?

Not many people understand what faith means or what the New Life in Christ means. I have shown you the Scriptures already.

A new life in Christ is not works.

You are not saved by obeying all kinds of laws, or by fasting, or self flagellation, or more time spent in church, or other works. Why? The reason is that doing good works is not a New Life in Christ.

Salvation is a New Life of Love by a Gospel Faith in Christ Jesus – crucified to the Old Life controlled by your flesh, to serve your Lord Jesus.

Galatians 5:24 (WEB)
24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let’s also walk by the Spirit.

You are God’s possession, who purchased you for Himself to be holy onto Him when you repented and then believed in Jesus as your rightful Lord. You are a noble vessel onto God’s service.

1 Peter 1:14-18 (WEB)
14 as children of obedience, not conforming yourselves according to your former lusts as in your ignorance, 15 but just as he who called you is holy, you yourselves also be holy in all of your behavior; 16 because it is written, “You shall be holy; for I am holy.” [Leviticus 11:44-45] 17 If you call on him as Father, who without respect of persons judges according to each man’s work, pass the time of your living as foreigners here in reverent fear

Matthew 10:38 (WEB) 38 He who doesn’t take his cross and follow after me isn’t worthy of me.

Your commitment of your whole life to God by faith is your privileged responsibility before God. By this faith God graciously counts you as righteous and worthy for salvation.

Revelation 3:2-5 (WEB) 2 Wake up and keep the things that remain, which you were about to throw away, for I have found no works of yours perfected before my God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard. Keep it and repent. If therefore you won’t watch, I will come as a thief, and you won’t know what hour I will come upon you. 4 Nevertheless you have a few names in Sardis that didn’t defile their garments. They will walk with me in white, for they are worthy. 5 He who overcomes will be arrayed in white garments, and I will in no way blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

This is something you desire to do because you trust in Jesus – to follow Him to receive real Life, which is a life of Love, the life of God by His Spirit in you.

Luke 14:33-35 (WEB) 33 So therefore whoever of you who doesn’t renounce all that he has, he can’t be my disciple. 34 Salt is good, but if the salt becomes flat and tasteless, with what do you season it? 35 It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile. It is thrown out. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”

Renouncing all that you have means that, by faith, you are denying yourself as part of this world system. Instead, you follow another – Lord Jesus. Therefore, as a believer, you are to re-dedicate your talents, gifts, wealth, and your very life to the New Life of following Jesus – to glorify God just as the Apostle Paul did. This is the New Life.

Paul used all his years of education as a Pharisee to now serve Lord Jesus. You are re-dedicating all that you have and all that you are to the One who redeemed you at a very great cost.

You can only have one Master. Choose whom you will serve

Romans 16:25-27 (NIV 26 but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience that comes from faith — 27 to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.

Romans 1:5 (NIV) 5 Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake.

Romans 6:16 (WEB)
16 Don’t you know that when you present yourselves as servants and obey someone, you are the servants of whomever you obey; whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?

Therefore, by denying ourselves and then following Christ, walking by His Spirit, we become a new creature:

2 Corinthians 5:15-17 (WEB)
15 He died for all, that those who live should no longer live to themselves, but to him who for their sakes died and rose again. . . 17 Therefore (for this reason) if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away. Behold, all things have become new.

This is salvation, the new life, the new creation in Christ Jesus. The result is eternal life.

Romans 6:21-22 (WEB)
21 What fruit then did you have at that time in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now, being made free from sin and having become servants of God, you have your fruit of sanctification and the result of eternal life.

That is the Gospel Faith by which we are a New Creature in Christ - saved.

Matthew 28:19-20 (NIV)
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

Acts 5:32 (WEB) 32 We are His witnesses of these things; and so also is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.

John 14:15-17 (WEB). . . 15 If you love me, keep my commandments. 16 I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, that he may be with you forever: 17 the Spirit of truth

John 14:21 (WEB)
21 One who has my commandments and keeps them, that person is one who loves me. One who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him, and will reveal myself to him.”

John 14:23 (WEB) 23 Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our home with him.

Blessings
 
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You claim that Satan's statement to the Lord was a lie, that God didn't give him this authority. I cannot see Satan being able to lie to the Lord without Him catching it.

So now you say that the Lord did catch him on it, but the Bible just skipped that part. It seems to me to be a very critical point to clear up, if God has not given Satan authority over the world then we should be told.

So, who is Jesus talking about?
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Who is Paul talking about?
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

And Paul also called him god of this age here:

2 Corinthians 4:4
whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

They are just names, not a reality ----that God supposedly gave satan the Authority over this world


Btw--What version of the Bible did you use for these verses?
Mine, the NKJV only references this:

Ephesians 2:2
in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,

And how is prince of the power of the air same as god of this world?

Now the question remains---you gonna give satan the authority over your life that he desperately craves?
 
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Scripture did not mention "Trinity" nor "Rapture" too.
Theconcepts your words communicated are not there.
Romans 5:12-19, Adam's sin condemned all his descendants to death even when we committed no sin. He was our representative before God.
It’s really better to stick to what was said. Sin entered the world brought Adam. We know of two who didn’t die. Adam didn’t respresent us to God. We each sin ourselves. We need no one to represent us as regards to sin. We sin ourselves before God.
 
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But we do have a record of Satan offering to give Jesus all the glory of the world if Jesus would bow down to him and Jesus does not dispute this. Therefore it is perfectly reasonable to say that Satan had authority over the world. Yet when Satan tempts Jesus He refutes him with the word of God and Satan also uses the word of God to tempt Jesus. This shows that they both recognized God's word as a higher authority.
Recognizing God’s word as authority is limited to those who do it. Satan doesn’t respect it in the sense that it has authority over his choices. He's more uses it. It seems he needs permission for some things but not others.
 
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Romans 3:23 Sin is a noun in almost all of Paul's writings.
I’m confident I can find it as a verb too.
As for your 2nd question
Romans 5:17, KJV: "For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Your said we receive Jesus’ obedience. This verse doesn’t support that view. Each man is judged for his own obedience or not. We don’t get the credit forobedience we didn’t do. Forgiveness? Yes. Rewards? No.
 
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I’m confident I can find it as a verb too.

Your said we receive Jesus’ obedience. This verse doesn’t support that view. Each man is judged for his own obedience or not. We don’t get the credit forobedience we didn’t do. Forgiveness? Yes. Rewards? No.

Paul calls it a "gift". If you have to do obedience, your righteousness is no longer a gift
 
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