Does Matthew 22:14 prove Calvinism and Predestination?

[BNR32FAN]

The blood of Christ atones for sins. You deny this when you turn faith into a sacrament and place your trust in it.

Ive never placed my trust in anything I do for atonement of my sins. Please quote anything I’ve stated that says that I can do anything to atone for my sins. You won’t because you can’t because I have said no such thing. Your claim is an empty accusation.

 

[Dave L]

Paul addressed all of them as saved because his epistle was written to
“the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:2‬ ‭NASB‬‬

And Paul says to these saints

“And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ. I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able, for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:1-3‬ ‭NASB‬‬

These “who have been sanctified in Christ are still fleshly and yet they have repented. They are still new Christians and still have much to learn which takes time which is what Paul is saying in chapter 2. Nobody is baptized coming out of the water suddenly understanding all that the Spirit has to teach. So your statement that the carnal man cannot repent is false because 1 Corinthians is a prime example of carnal people who have repented.

This is after God saved them. But we can choose to sin. Where before the New Birth we could not choose anything but to sin.

 

[Dave L]

Ive never placed my trust in anything I do for atonement of my sins. Please quote anything I’ve stated that says that I can do anything to atone for my sins. You won’t because you can’t because I have said no such thing. Your claim is an empty accusation.

You are your own savior if you must choose to believe. The atonement is meaningless in view of this.

 

[BNR32FAN]

This is after God saved them. But we can choose to sin. Where before the New Birth we could not choose anything but to sin.

I was addressing his claim that the carnal man cannot repent. I provided scriptural evidence that the carnal man can repent.

 

[Dave L]

I was addressing his claim that the carnal man cannot repent. I provided scriptural evidence that the carnal man can repent.

But the born again can overcome carnal mindedness.
“For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.” 1 John 5:4 (KJV 1900)

 

[BNR32FAN]

You are your own savior if you must choose to believe. The atonement is meaningless in view of this.

Jesus’ commandment was to believe and no His sacrifice is not meaningless just because of His commandment to believe.

 

[Dave L]

Jesus’ commandment was to believe and no His sacrifice is not meaningless just because of His commandment to believe.

The flesh cannot believe anything true.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You are your own savior if you must choose to believe. The atonement is meaningless in view of this.

Do you deny that Jesus commanded even those who rejected Him to repent?

 

[RDKirk]

If true, that would be irrelevant. The topic concerns the use of the word chosen and whether it refers to election/predestination.

My view, for what it's worth, is that there is too much on BOTH sides to be found in Scripture for us to know for certain that Election is either true or false.

I think that rather makes it one of Paul's "disputable matters" (Romans 14).

I've been watching this dispute online for over 32 years, and it had gone on for half a millennium before that.

[Poe]But it's going to be resolved in this thread! This time for sure![/Poe]

 

[BNR32FAN]

The flesh cannot believe anything true.

The Corinthians were fleshly. I just proved that. Paul specifically said they were still carnal.

 

[Dave L]

Do you deny that Jesus commanded even those who rejected Him to repent?

Two different situations.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Two different situations.

You always skirt around my questions. Never a simply yes or no answer. Can you quote where you’ve answered a single question that I’ve asked? You seem to do a lot of ducking and dodging for someone who has it all figured out.

 

[Dave L]

The Corinthians were fleshly. I just proved that. Paul specifically said they were still carnal.

So are all believers if Christ is the measure of righteousness.

 

[Dave L]

You always skirt around my questions. Never a simply yes or no answer. Can you quote where you’ve answered a single question that I’ve asked? Lol

I don't respond well to loaded questions and traps.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So are all believers if Christ is the measure of righteousness.

Then what your saying is that no one can be of the Spirit.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I don't respond well to loaded questions and traps.

Lol loaded questions and traps? You mean questions that you can’t logically answer without contradicting Calvin’s theology. Have I failed to answer any question you’ve asked?

 

[Dave L]

Lol loaded questions and traps? You mean questions that you can’t logically answer without contradicting Calvin’s theology. Have I failed to answer any question you’ve asked?

I'm just careful. I answer to those wanting to learn in one manner. And differently to those stalking me for a debate.

 

[Dave L]

Then what your saying is that no one can be of the Spirit.

Not according to Paul.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I'm just careful. I answer to those wanting to learn in one manner. And differently to those stalking me for a debate.

I answer any question thrown at me because I can back up my beliefs with the scriptures and don’t have to worry about any contradictions.

 

[Dave L]

I answer any question thrown at me because I can back up my beliefs with the scriptures and don’t have to worry about any contradictions.

But I do not like to argue.